when was the last time you heard about an NFL players' wife committing some illegal money fraud

when her husband is the icon of the NFL?

NyM410 what on earth are you talking about? Don't get up here lying dude!!!

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 5:49 PM. Reason : /]

1/19/2007 5:48:43 PM

^ thats just money

im talking about some kind of drug, like marijuana


every sport has some kind of performance enhancing drug problems



[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 5:52 PM. Reason : ]

1/19/2007 5:51:19 PM

So hockey players don't deal in drugs? Is this what you're saying?

And what the fuck are ya'll talking about? Im lost. Really tho'

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 5:53 PM. Reason : /]

1/19/2007 5:53:36 PM

Quote :

" "you guys are leaving out the fact that NBA viewer ratings are higher than both hockey and baseball. So everything these guys do is under the microscope!! " "

for the record, ratings this century for each NBA and MLB's final series:

2006 NBA Finals - 8.5 (Heat/Mavericks)
2005 NBA Finals - 8.2 (Pistons/Spurs)
2004 NBA Finals - 11.5 (Pistons/Lakers)
2003 NBA Finals - 6.5 (Nets/Spurs)
2002 NBA Finals - 10.2 (Nets/Lakers)
2001 NBA Finals - 12.1 (76ers/Lakers)

2006 World Series - 10.1 (Cardinals/Tigers)
2005 World Series - 11.1 (Astros/White Sox)
2004 World Series - 15.8 (Cardinals/Red Sox)
2003 World Series - 13.9 (Marlins/Yankees)
2002 World Series - 11.9 (Giants/Angels)
2001 World Series - 15.7 (Diamondbacks/Yankees)

1/19/2007 5:55:00 PM

^^ yes, because they are too busy ACTUALLY PLAYING THE SPORT, and preparing for it

unlike the NBA or NFL where the players complain about practice and try to be the star

in hockey you just see how teams work together like clockwork

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 5:56 PM. Reason : ]

1/19/2007 5:56:04 PM

how about reg season? when all the shit goes down?

NyM410 way to go there, dick brain.


^HAHAHAHAHA conversation over. You don't think that hockey player deal in drugs!?!?!?! wowzers.

They're toooo busy playing the sport!!!! they can do no wrong according to you racists prics!!

This is why I hate living in the south. You backwoods living people are dumb.

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 5:58 PM. Reason : /]

1/19/2007 5:56:28 PM

Dick Pound

1/19/2007 5:57:18 PM

^^ If you can prove that there are anywhere CLOSE to the amount of drug or gun related arrests/incidents from NHL players compared to NBA players you would have an argument. However, you can't... and you don't.

No one is being racist and half these people probably aren't even from the South.

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 6:02 PM. Reason : oh for fucks sake, earl is here now too.. /thread]

1/19/2007 6:01:17 PM

im not saying none of them do it, im saying that its much much less than the NBA or NFL


OMGZ LETS THROW OUT SOMETHING COMPLETELY RATIONAL WITH A BIT OF THOUGHT AND MAKE FUN OF THE PERSON WHEN WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


please.

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 6:01 PM. Reason : ]

1/19/2007 6:01:32 PM

Hmmm a rather interesting conversation here. I, however don't it's a fair assessment to say that hockey players' don't deal in illegal drugs (Marajuana) because they're too involved with the sport itself. That's definitely not an intelligent backing whatsoever.

If this argument were to move forward, I think you would have to compare the following;

Football to Hockey
Both allow violent contact with padding.

As far as crimes:
Violent Crimes- includes pretty much everything. assault, drugs etc

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 6:06 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2007 6:02:04 PM

"deal in illegal drugs" sounds like my grandma .. no use in arguing with WayneGro, he's a thick headed know it all

1/19/2007 6:04:09 PM

^ just like hcnguyen


anyway: im not saying thats the only or main reason Earl, but they definitely don't complain about practicing or doing what they are paid to do

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 6:06 PM. Reason : ]

1/19/2007 6:05:00 PM

Sean Burke hit his wife and was promptly shipped out of here.

The Mike Danton scandal was absolute madness.

The instigator rule has encouraged some dangerous play.

Theo Fleury got problems.

Many hockey players, particularly during the playoffs, are on heavy painkillers and cortisone so they can play. Frank Kaberle said he couldn't even move his leg every morning during the playoffs until he got his treatments, let alone skate or play.

This thread was not intended to be a comparison between hockey and other sports. It was simply to point out that the lack of honor and discipline that leads to uncontrolled fighting in baseball/basketball/football/water polo is not the same kind of emotion that goes into a hockey fight. They're two completely different things.

1/19/2007 6:06:11 PM

Quote :

"but they definitely don't complain about practicing or doing what they are paid to do"

lets let the words and actions of allen iverson represent the entire league!!!

You guys have no argument at all. You basically just wanted to say that the NBA and NFL are

full of lazy, drug dealing, egotistical cry babies. And hockey players are perfect guys (white) that

do no wrong and only go out there and play the game, don't deal in drugs so they on the other

hand are permitted to fight!! No logical sense at all. Im done in this thread. You guys need to

wake the hell up, really.

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 6:11 PM. Reason : Ill join when I see a better argument!!! this is a waste of my time]

1/19/2007 6:10:36 PM

Yeah I'm begining to ponder where he is drawing this "complaining about practice issue" from.

Quote :

"If this argument were to move forward, I think you would have to compare the following; Football to Hockey Both allow violent contact with padding. As far as crimes: Violent Crimes- includes pretty much everything. assault, drugs etc "

Other than what I said here this argument should cease unless it deals within these confines.

1/19/2007 6:14:58 PM

1/19/2007 6:15:45 PM

Is it worth noting that the calm, civil proposal for a fight in the original clip is from a black guy?

1/19/2007 6:19:32 PM

Quote :

"lets let the words and actions of allen iverson represent the entire league!!! You guys have no argument at all. You basically just wanted to say that the NBA and NFL are full of lazy, drug dealing, egotistical cry babies. And hockey players are perfect guys (white) that do no wrong and only go out there and play the game, don't deal in drugs so they on the other hand are permitted to fight!! No logical sense at all. Im done in this thread. You guys need to wake the hell up, really. [Edited on January 19, 2007 at 6:11 PM. Reason : Ill join when I see a better argument!!! this is a waste of my time]"

you look like you pasted that from somewhere, whats with the breaks in the lines

anyway if this is a waste of your time why are you on TWW to begin with

an alias wouldn't have anything to do with it would it?


im not really thinking the argument out im just making a few points, just as an overview from the media, im just saying.

1/19/2007 6:31:15 PM

Quote :

"-players sitting out games to promote their shitty rap album"

How many players have actually done this? And Ron Artest isn't a rapper he just owns a R&B label. This 'would be argument' took a huge turn to the stereotypical side. Be fair and balanced if you want to make point or present a worthy argument. Because all the things I've read sounds like hatred vs favortism.

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 6:36 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2007 6:35:17 PM

Quote :

"This is why I hate living in the south. You backwoods living people are dumb."

Yup, we just dumb. I wish I were smart like them there people up in the Northeast. Now I'm gonna go get my banjo and sit on my porch drinking moonshine while them there city folk come on by, Deliverance style.

The only racist comments in this thread man is right there. The fact you think RALEIGH is backwoods shows your ignorance. That's like a guy from Boston saying Atlanta is redneck.

1/19/2007 6:39:09 PM

Perhaps it is also worth noting that the NHL is the most diverse league in the world.

1/19/2007 6:52:45 PM

How many blacks are there in the NHL? teh comparison of Raleigh to Atlanta ftw

^that is a joke, right?

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 6:54 PM. Reason : m]

1/19/2007 6:53:53 PM

I don't know, I would tend to agree that the NHL is the most diverse

Canadians, Americans, Czechs, Finnish, German, Russian, Polish, Latvian, and hell check the LA Kings, even Japanese. etc..etc..etc..

1/19/2007 6:57:48 PM

All those, and still about 5 blacks in the entire league. lol

0 black NHL coaches. 0 black hockey coaches on any level. That spells diversityyyyyyy

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 7:01 PM. Reason : /|\]

1/19/2007 7:00:31 PM

The most ethnically diverse... obviously not the most racially diverse.

1/19/2007 7:16:58 PM

There are 13 black players currently on active NHL rosters, and 10 more on minor league affiliate teams. The number fluctuates due to the nature of hockey's farm system.

It's also worth noting that the NHL was first integrated in 1958.

1/19/2007 7:56:37 PM

They even let a woman into the league.

A woman.

1/19/2007 8:00:50 PM

Quote :

"Dammit100 your racism exceeds you."

Exactly how am I racist? I mentioned all of those things about the NBA b/c they've happened. at no point did I say that hockey was full of saints, or did I say which of those NBA events were by black or white players. If you're assuming everything I brought up was done by a black man, please check which one of us is racist.

1/19/2007 8:07:54 PM

WayneGro

you are a fucking moron
you think we are racist because we are just pointing out the obvious about the nba
I have no problem with the nfl though, i like the nfl, and true, the nfl does have some of the similar problems with its players as the nba, but face it, not as many proportionately as the nba, and those that do are better about keeping it quiet than the nba players. So please tell me how we are racist for pointing out the facts that you just want to ignore, but everyone already knows.

1/19/2007 9:21:33 PM

"Because hockey players are white boys from surburbia."

The following is a nationality breakdown for the entire NHL:
Canada 389
US 134
Czech Rep 50
Sweden 42
Finland 32
Russia 31
Slovakia 23
Germany 7
Ukraine 7

"White people can do no harm. "
You made a statement earlier about the crowd from the south being racist. That sure does seem like a racist comment if you ask me.

[Edited on January 19, 2007 at 10:10 PM. Reason : :]

1/19/2007 10:10:03 PM

Iverson didn't complain about practice, he complained about the media turning missing one practice into a travesty of historical proportions.

1/19/2007 10:57:55 PM

Quote :

"whens the last time you heard about a hockey player getting busted for some kind of drug? "

1992.

Sincerely,
Bob Probert

1/20/2007 2:05:43 AM

15 years ago = pretty good when considering you have 30 teams with 25 players per team. So that's like one out of the last 3-4000 players maybe?

1/20/2007 9:01:38 AM

Quote :

"15 years ago = pretty good when considering you have 30 teams with 25 players per team. So that's like one out of the last 3-4000 players maybe?"

Well yeah--I was just answering the question. I'm definitely on the hockey side of the argument, here.

1/20/2007 10:29:07 AM

Good article about fighting in the major pro sports in America:

http://sportsline.com/spin/story/9878541

This paragraph is particularly relevant.

Quote :

" Hockey fans always fall back on the fact that fighting is just a part of hockey culture. No, it isn't. Players don't fight in college, and they don't fight in the Olympics. Fighting helps sell tickets. Period. And the NHL doesn't actually have sufficient penalties to keep the players from fighting. If they did, it would pretty much stop. But the NHL needs the money and fans they gain by allowing fighting. There is no comparison to how stringently the NBA militates against fighting as opposed to the NHL. And if the NHL was a majority black league, the public outcry would demand an end to hockey fights. But two white athletes fighting are unthreatening, marketable and highlight-reel worthy. Great, says the average fan, pass me another beer, and maybe, a cotton candy for the kid. Two black guys fighting? My God, lock up the women and children and batten down the hatches. The Apocalypse is nigh."

1/20/2007 10:54:48 AM

Quote :

"And if the NHL was a majority black league, the public outcry would demand an end to hockey fights. But two white athletes fighting are unthreatening, marketable and highlight-reel worthy. Great, says the average fan, pass me another beer, and maybe, a cotton candy for the kid. Two black guys fighting? My God, lock up the women and children and batten down the hatches."

any proof for that, or is that more racism from a writer.

1/20/2007 1:32:02 PM

^ that just sounds more like racism

i really don't think it'd make that big of a difference

dunno.

1/20/2007 1:35:44 PM

College hockey doesn't allow fighting, but junior hockey does, and junior is where the majority of professional hockey players come from. College and Olympic hockey are not a fully accurate representation of the culture of the North American game.

Plus, I find it hard to believe that there haven't been plenty of Brashear/Worrell/Laraque scraps, etc.

[Edited on January 20, 2007 at 1:50 PM. Reason : 3]

1/20/2007 1:49:58 PM

Let's not kid ourselves about hockey players and drugs. They just don't get caught.

1/20/2007 3:15:45 PM