this ending absolutely ruined my week.

it will be put in the T.A McClendon referee category along with Julius Peppers' blocked FG against dallas last year.

1/25/2007 10:17:48 PM

for page 2

1/25/2007 10:18:50 PM

Who cares, we aren't Duke, we never will be, so stop obsessing over them and worry about our own team.

1/25/2007 10:22:25 PM

Quote :

" unless the referee's carry stop watches what's the fair way to decide how much time elapsed during the time when the clock should ahve started and when it actually did ? honestly I'm asking "

1/25/2007 10:23:19 PM

^^ dude were just fucking saying that they got it wrong, you sound like a duke fan

i'm not saying about them always getting the calls, although sure they seem to get a few, im just saying the referees definitely fucked this one up

0.6 seconds to shoot that shot?

yeah right.


^ i don't know but anybody with any sense could see that was more than 0.6

[Edited on January 25, 2007 at 10:25 PM. Reason : ]

1/25/2007 10:24:53 PM

No, Im just sick and tired of people on here bitching about the success of other teams in a jealous rage because we want what they have.

1/25/2007 10:25:36 PM

doesn't matter

even if there were only 2.8 seconds left duke still would have won somehow

instead of throwing half court to under the basket they would have thrown to the basket or shot from half court

and probably made it

1/25/2007 10:26:28 PM

^That's the part I'm a little iffy about. What were the coaches coaching for--1.8, 3.6, or 4.4 seconds?

[Edited on January 25, 2007 at 10:29 PM. Reason : Big difference in what they would have planned.]

1/25/2007 10:29:09 PM

don't the refs keep time during the last minute of the game

or was that in the nba

or maybe just a long time ago

or did i just make that up entirely

1/25/2007 10:34:04 PM

Its not the refs fault. They did what they were suppose to do. Blame the clock operator if you really have to blame someone.

1/25/2007 10:42:50 PM

yea but the refs can look at it. but they somehow figured that the whole play clemson ran took .6 seconds instead of the 2 seconds it really took. duke got lucky tonight really lucky.

1/25/2007 10:51:00 PM

the game wasn't over if they didn't score

1/25/2007 10:54:16 PM

^^^ the refs start the clock on inbounds

i don't think they do for under the last minute but theres a chance of that

1/25/2007 11:02:13 PM

^just like all of us did right there. they have a replay tv courtside

1/25/2007 11:09:00 PM

refer to my post

1/25/2007 11:12:17 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=J_bkoMl-XvA

(Can this be embedded?)

[Edited on January 25, 2007 at 11:22 PM. Reason : ]

1/25/2007 11:21:39 PM

I don't think any NCSU student, alumni, or fan would want a guy like K coaching our team. We are certainly jealous of his win loss record, but would never want someone with his personality, he'd curse out Mother Teresa if it came down to it. The way he sidestepped and countered the preferential treatment from the officials last season on multiple interviews was brilliant I must say. Celebrations on either home/away courts are not different. The only thing is that if you are away, you shouldn't stomp on opposing mascots or taunt, as long as you don't do either, it's fine, I don't think Va Tech did either, but I didn't see every bit of it.

1/25/2007 11:24:00 PM

you guys are unbelievably lame. How do you know 4.4 wasn't right? maybe an extra second or two ran off on the previous play? and 4.4 didnt guarantee duke a win they still had to make an amazing play. they took the time given and did what they had to do. 1.8 2.8 4.4.


[Edited on January 25, 2007 at 11:31 PM. Reason : hamilton shuffled his feet before he shot anyway]

1/25/2007 11:24:31 PM

Quote :

"How do you know 4.4 wasn't right?"

have you watched the videos?

Quote :

"maybe an extra second or two ran off on the previous play?"

then they should have stopped the clock after those plays and fixed the clock. you can't just randomly go back in a game and find random spots to change clock times.

Quote :

"they took the extra time given"

here's your feet shuffling http://youtube.com/watch?v=DobeyoUi1NE

[Edited on January 25, 2007 at 11:33 PM. Reason : a]

1/25/2007 11:32:17 PM

Shockingly WRAL even pointed out the clock issue and hinted that Duke got away with on during the 11 O'Clock news.

1/25/2007 11:34:50 PM

How do you know the clock didn't run early on the layup play?

The time didn't win the game anyway. Dave's basket did. Simple as that. Clemson has only theirselves to blame.

and by the way hamilton walked

1/25/2007 11:35:20 PM

Quote :

"I don't think any NCSU student, alumni, or fan would want a guy like K coaching our team. We are certainly jealous of his win loss record, but would never want someone with his personality, he'd curse out Mother Teresa if it came down to it. The way he sidestepped and countered the preferential treatment from the officials last season on multiple interviews was brilliant I must say. Celebrations on either home/away courts are not different. The only thing is that if you are away, you shouldn't stomp on opposing mascots or taunt, as long as you don't do either, it's fine, I don't think Va Tech did either, but I didn't see every bit of it. "

Oh my god, just shut the fuck up now. If coach K left Duke tomorrow to come to NCSU 99% of NCSU fans would shit themselves, then after they got done wipping up that mess, they would clean the front side where they creamed themselves. The guy is loyal as fuck to Duke....remember when Buss offered him shit tons of money to go coach THE LAKERS? It takes a classy guy to turn that down. He is pretty much college basketball. Sure, he has had his moments as a coach, but what coach hasn't. There isn't a college basketball program in the nation that wouldn't spend 2x whatever it would take to get him to coach their team. So just shut the fuck up with your "Nobody here would want him" shit.

[Edited on January 25, 2007 at 11:40 PM. Reason : .]

1/25/2007 11:38:25 PM

duke sucks SUCH A FAT NUT its scary.

1/26/2007 12:02:11 AM

So sad

1/26/2007 12:07:56 AM

/thread

1/26/2007 12:50:44 AM

This happens all the time. A game I was watching a week or so ago had several "clock starts a full two seconds after it should" moments. This is a chronic problem with college basketball.

[Edited on January 26, 2007 at 7:36 AM. Reason : "]

1/26/2007 7:34:26 AM

Gotta love Charlie always playing the devil's advocate in these threads.

He probably thinks to himself as he is about to click Reply "Hehe, I'm gonna get these nerds all riled up again."

1/26/2007 7:58:33 AM

i guess we can add TheOffice to the Duke fan douchebaggery

I think most of us here are saying that Clemson got screwed, so quit trying to spin the shit as if we have some inferiority complex to Duke

1/26/2007 10:33:31 AM

haha, i know we all remember this too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DobeyoUi1NE

1/26/2007 10:36:27 AM

who was that against?

1/26/2007 10:54:19 AM

I'm a Duke fan and that was some bullshit last night.

1/26/2007 11:55:18 AM

Quote :

"you guys are unbelievably lame. How do you know 4.4 wasn't right? maybe an extra second or two ran off on the previous play? and 4.4 didnt guarantee duke a win they still had to make an amazing play. they took the time given and did what they had to do. 1.8 2.8 4.4. "

haha
everyone today, even Rome is saying how Clemson got screwed b/c of the homers at Duke

1/26/2007 12:52:32 PM

that what bull shit last night

4.4 seconds is WAY more time than should have been on the clock

and I love how they never went back and showed the replay during the game so everyone could see how much they fucked up

1/26/2007 1:10:51 PM

Quote :

"Oh my god, just shut the fuck up now. If coach K left Duke tomorrow to come to NCSU 99% of NCSU fans would shit themselves, then after they got done wipping up that mess, they would clean the front side where they creamed themselves. The guy is loyal as fuck to Duke....remember when Buss offered him shit tons of money to go coach THE LAKERS? It takes a classy guy to turn that down. He is pretty much college basketball. Sure, he has had his moments as a coach, but what coach hasn't. There isn't a college basketball program in the nation that wouldn't spend 2x whatever it would take to get him to coach their team. So just shut the fuck up with your "Nobody here would want him" shit."

I wouldn't want him to coach at State. I've seen him take a chair from a handicapped man before. He's not a likable guy. He screams and curses at everybody until he's red in the face and looks like an ugly child. He's a terrible loser. He's "too good" to do most of his own interviews anymore. He's not a "classy guy." He loves Duke and he's God in Durham...he could never be that at LA, even with "shit tons of money." There's nothing classy about not wanting to coach professional basketball and recognizing when you already got a good thing going.

If you wanna fellate him, go for it. But I'll pass.

1/26/2007 1:29:27 PM

i think he is a great coach

but he can still go fuck himself

he needs to bring home Gold in the Olympics however

1/26/2007 2:01:05 PM

I think he's a great coach and motivator but a horrible person.

And I'm a diehard Duke fan.

1/26/2007 3:09:17 PM

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/index.php?title=acc_admits_to_error_in_duke_clemson_game&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

ACC Acknowledges mistake. Probably still won't do a damn thing to the refs for it though.

1/26/2007 3:24:57 PM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aiFi-ZiTQXs

my video has the time for it

Quote :

"http://video.ncsu1.info/duke.wmv"

Hello,

Your site ncsu1.info was suspended because it consumed an excessive amount of resources.
One of our techs was doing a routine check on the server, and your site was consuming more than 26.18% of the server RAM.
Our policy is 10% of the entire servers resources.
Anything above this puts other sites at jeopardy, and slows down the entire server for all users.


lol god damn it

[Edited on January 26, 2007 at 3:41 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2007 3:40:05 PM

this is as well written/explained on the situation as your gonna find

from 850theblog:

Quote :

"Let’s quickly handle the mistakes and the final outcome from last night’s 68-66 Duke win over Clemson at Cameron Indoor Stadium. > Duke held a 5-point lead with 12.7 seconds to go before Vernon Hamilton drove the baseline for a slightly contested lay-in trimming the lead to 3 with 5.0 on the clock. > Duke set up to inbound the ball and Josh McRoberts’ pass intended for Greg Paulus ended up going right to Clemson’s Hamilton who was standing just beyond the 3-point circle. > Hamilton set his feet and launched the shot, it went through the hoop and tied the game. Unfortunately, the clock continued to run after the ball went through the net and Mike Krzyzewski asked that the referees check to see if more time should be placed on the clock. At this time, there was 1.8 remaining. > After reviewing the tape, the referees set the clock at 4.4 – which is precisely what the clock should have read had it been stopped when the ball went through the hoop. > What was missed by Mike Kitts, Tom Lopes and John Cahill – three extremely experienced officials – was that the clock failed to start when Hamilton touched the ball. Instead, the clock started when the ball was just about to pass through the net. It’s important to note that the three officials were not the only ones to miss this. ESPN’s crew of Len Elmore and Mike Patrick – along with their production staff failed to realize the error. And, most importantly, OLIVER PURNELL failed to recognize this error. Did Purnell really think that his player could catch shoot and swish in 0.6 seconds? That is a physical impossibility. So why did Purnell not challenge the timing? He was well within his rights to say to the crew, “guys, there’s no way on this earth that it only took 0.6 seconds”. He didn’t. 4.4 was put on the clock and Clemson’s matador style defense allowed the Blue Devils a point blank opportunity to win the game. I’ve heard and read all the conspiracies, but this is just a bunch of people angry because the Duke Blue Devils took advantage of the situation by winning the game. Just like Clemson took advantage of Duke’s inability to handle the ball – not to mention the pressure – in the closing minutes of the game and rallied from 8 down to tie the score. Clemson played a very good game last night – for 39 minutes and 57.5 seconds. But, games are 40:00:02.5 seconds long nowadays, and you have to be ready to play the whole 2,402.5 seconds in order to win on the road in the ACC. For all of you people slamming the time-keeper at Cameron, consider this…. 1- Everything involving the clock is reviewable by the officials. 2- If the timekeeper was trying to help Duke out then why did he allow the clock to run after the ball had already gone through the hoop? By calling attention to the mistake, that allowed the officials to correct ANY timing errors they could detect. The really sad part in all of this is that it has obscured a very entertaining – albeit sloppily played – basketball game. Both teams hit big shots, both teams made big mistakes, and both teams played with a lot of heart and guts. The way it ended was unfortunate, but to say that Duke was given this game by the officials, or some sort of higher power is simply wrong. Mike Krzyzewski didn’t reset the clock, the three officials did – with Oliver Purnell’s blessing I might add."

http://www.850thebuzz.com/blog/?p=2306#more-2306

1/26/2007 3:43:45 PM

^ exactly

1/26/2007 3:55:12 PM

by the way does anyone know where my video got linked from?

1/26/2007 3:55:54 PM

^^,^^^BOO. YOU SUCK.

No, seriously, you suck gigantic balls. The timekeeper fucked up and Duke won. Again. It happens like that for them more often than not. Everybody knows this, and most folks aren't saying it's a conspiracy. It just happens.

Delete that snotty blog. I'm shocked they didn't say something like, "Clemson woulda lost in over time anyway."



[Edited on January 26, 2007 at 3:57 PM. Reason : ^No clue, man.]

1/26/2007 3:56:44 PM

Quote :

"with Oliver Purnell’s blessing I might add.""

Quote :

"with Oliver Purnell’s blessing I might add.""

give me a break :x

[Edited on January 26, 2007 at 3:59 PM. Reason : .]

1/26/2007 3:58:27 PM

^Give you a break on what?

Ollie Purnell isn't the timekeeper. And he doesn't have a bench full of dudes waiting to suck his cock and watch every detail of the game for him.

And none of that has to do with the timekeeper fucking up.

I didn't see Purnell give his blessing. It all happened really fast. One moment it looked like three seconds was what they were going with and the next moment Duke had won and was falling over itself.

[Edited on January 26, 2007 at 4:07 PM. Reason : sss]

1/26/2007 4:06:37 PM

oliver purnell while watching the replay

just like everyone else watching it and the espn crew could have noted ... oh wait the clock didnt start when he caught the ball


no one did

1/26/2007 4:09:08 PM

well the problem came because the clock started too late on the shot. the ball went through with 4.4 so they did in fact put very very close to the right ammount of time back on the clock. In the heat of the moment they didn't look far back enough to see the clock start late.(they were just trying to get the time the ball went through the hoop asap, and did)

And it wasn't homerism because if the clock operator was giving duke the extra time he wouldnt havve ran it all out afterwards. Possibly trying to run off the time that should have elapsed at the start of the play?

either way...

/thread

1/26/2007 4:11:10 PM

plz2watch embedded youtube video at top^

[Edited on January 26, 2007 at 4:18 PM. Reason : how was that /thread]

1/26/2007 4:18:17 PM

Quote :

"And it wasn't homerism because if the clock operator was giving duke the extra time he wouldnt havve ran it all out afterwards. Possibly trying to run off the time that should have elapsed at the start of the play?"

I don't think it was homerism but a stupid timekeeper who thought the game was basically over anyway and had probably started mentally celebrating.

But this whole letting the clock run out is not evidence against any homerism, as everybody knows that no timekeeper would actually think he could get away with that.

1/26/2007 4:18:29 PM

hahaha

i used 20GB in 18 hours


--

Quote :

" Message: As a Duke fan I have to say "LOL". Referees made some horrible calls in Clemson's favor and that last shot shouldn't have even mattered. Plus....We would have won in overtime. You should know how good Duke is. Your Wolfpack knows....Whoooooo!!!!1 "

youtube message.

figures.

[Edited on January 26, 2007 at 5:19 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2007 4:51:56 PM

Quote :

"the Duke Blue Devils took advantage of the situation by winning the game. Just like Clemson took advantage of Duke’s inability to handle the ball "

these 2 things are not comparable--the time operator is not on a team

that said, Clemson had the opportunity to play better defense

1/26/2007 6:43:54 PM