http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=416339&page=5
There is the thread on the hillsborough street revitalization thing if you need any info for how you'd plan/run a sample rally. I post the following in it to see if any of those people had ideas.

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"Have a look at this thread on the effectiveness of protests/rallies/campaigns for causes. In that thread I'm trying to see, hypothetically, what would be required?"

I mean some change for hillsborough street can come through a different outlook and more students using it and wanting to be involved with the change. Like the group who started the "Hillsborough st Halloween" recently as a parallel to unc's franklin street. There's a base out there for this cause. How would you rally them?

[Edited on January 28, 2007 at 5:04 PM. Reason : .]

1/28/2007 5:01:05 PM

you people sure love to do things so that you can pat yourselves on the back at night

"I made a difference today!!!"

lol

yeah right

1/28/2007 5:05:58 PM

I'm just asking how people ncsu students would envision a rally, through a concrete example.

1/28/2007 6:21:21 PM

lotsa guns.

1/28/2007 6:28:34 PM

^^ I understand, and I would be interested to know the true difference it makes, but when you're stoned off your ass like Sean Penn was making speeches, it's hard to be take seriously


not to mention what can happen at protests when the feds get tired of seeing you


^ they're not allowed in DC

1/28/2007 6:52:53 PM

I definitely noticed a huge smug front all over the DC metro area this weekend

especially on the metros with their signs...they were soooooo adorable!

1/28/2007 7:40:32 PM

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"How can you expect to be taken seriously when you associate with Hanoi Jane?"

I was thinking the exact same thing. All credibility and seriousness went down the shitter when she went. If I was to organize an anti-war protest, Hanoi Jane would be the LAST person I'd want seen there.

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"I definitely noticed a huge smug front all over the DC metro area this weekend"

lol

[Edited on January 28, 2007 at 8:39 PM. Reason : :]

1/28/2007 8:38:28 PM

Protests won't work unless there is a distinct possibility that it will cause political upheaval. Since we have a mentally unstable lame duck executive, the chances look slim.

1/29/2007 1:30:33 AM

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" mentally unstable lame duck executive"

more like, "mentally diminished".

i'd say he's quite stable. you can always count on him to consistently choose the worst option.

1/29/2007 2:05:22 AM

^^Well the executive isn't the only target of a protest, there's also voters and legislators.

1/29/2007 6:44:25 AM

Look at all of history's truly successful protests. They either:

a) had a galvanizing leader (MLK, Gandhi, etc)
or b) were staged so as they would cause real harm to those they wished to affect (strikes mostly)

If one million struck in support of a plan to end the war, or if they staged something like this during the week so as to shut down DC when it's operating, it would have a much bigger effect. This is nothing like the effective protests of the last 100 years in India, Russia, E. Europe, and the US Civil Rights movement in the 60s.

[Edited on January 29, 2007 at 4:40 PM. Reason : .]

1/29/2007 4:38:57 PM

Of course they work. You don't see mobs with torches and pitchforks burning down the Congress, do you?

1/29/2007 4:40:39 PM

http://tinyurl.com/35hu7z
Check out this technician article from today!

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"If the roundabout plan is passed through the council and approved by the DOT, then we will have one roundabout at Logan Court and one at Horne Street. It will also condense traffic into two lanes, widen the sidewalks and install a 7-foot wide median. I don't know about you, but I don't enjoy risking my life to cross Hillsborough to get a bagel and a cup of coffee at Bruegger's after I've already had to wait a couple minutes to cross in the first place. Campus needs to be pedestrian friendly - not traffic friendly. With all the congestion now, I can barely walk across the street, and I gave up trying to ride a Wolfline bus and actually make it to class a time long ago. The city has already paid engineers about $260,000 to draw up the plans, and it would be a waste to let it all go down the drain. The roundabouts will slow traffic and bring some much-needed life back into Hillsborough. Wouldn't it be nice if weekend plans could actually include Hillsborough Street for a change? The crazy part is they are sitting on more than $3 million in bond money from 2005 that is allocated for this project while we sit around and watch Hillsborough Street get worse. If one of the council members would sway his or her vote in favor of the plan, you and I could start looking forward to relaxing evenings on Hillsborough. "

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"Raleigh has been too timid with Hillsborough Street. The Fayetteville Street mall and Glenwood South renovations have brought some major improvements to Raleigh, and now they need to focus on making Hillsborough just as inviting. It's time for a change from drive-thru traffic to drive-to traffic. "

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"It's nice to see some students standing out in the Brickyard and passing out fliers and collecting signatures on petitions. Others are going to the city council meetings to advocate for the plan. I've cast my e-mail in with the many that council member Philip Isley has received from students in support of the plan. If more students would advocate for change, we could create a huge impact on the decision-making process. "

I think this has potential to evolve into a rally or protest somewhere. People continue to write about it in our school news paper, continue to discuss it online & about campus, and there are flyering, petition, & e-mail campaigns going on.

Here are a few hillsborough street related facebook groups.
http://ncst.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2213632833
http://ncst.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2200599023

[Edited on February 1, 2007 at 8:32 AM. Reason : .]

2/1/2007 8:12:08 AM

If anyone wants to try leading a protest, I have an idea here that just needs someone to spearhead it that lives in raleigh. Just check out the last 3 or 4 posts there:

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=416339&page=5

2/1/2007 9:57:37 AM

recent local news story on it
http://html.wral.com/news/local/story/1176235/

2/1/2007 7:12:18 PM

http://unc.facebook.com/event.php?eid=2243681268&ref=mf

"unanimously decided that March 20th be declared a national day of student and youth resistance against the war"

I saw that for unc and I was wondering if NCSU or Meredith or any other colleges were doing any similar events in Raleigh?

also

http://unc.facebook.com/event.php?eid=2249590021
http://www.march20antiwar.blogspot.com/

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"These are the schools we know of that are participating in the March 20 student anti-war day of action. Leave a comment here or email march20antiwar (at) hotmail.com if your school is doing something and we'll add you to the list!1. UNC-Asheville Socialist Unity League of SDS: Walk-Out at 11:30, Rally, March Downtown2. University of Alabama SDS: Rally at noon at the Denny Chimes3. University of Minnesota Anti-War Organizing League (AWOL): Rally in front of Coffman Union, 12:00 pm4. UIC Students for Social Justice (S4SJ-SDS) and CAN: Walkout, Rally, Feeder March5. Rutgers R.A.W (Rutgers Against the War): Walk-Out and Rally at 1:30, Vietnam Memorial6. UNC-Chapel Hill SDS: Walkout, Rally at the Pit 12pm, March7. UNC-Charlotte SDS8. George Mason University SDS: Die-In9. Winthrop University Socialist Student Union (Winthrop, SC)10. Elmhurst College SDS (Chicago)11. Columbus, Ohio SDS12. UCLA SDS: Speak-Outs on the 14-15th (Spring Break)13. Western Illinois University MAAPJ:Rally 1pm Chandler Park (on the 24th)14. Green Hope High School (Cary, NC)15. Mt. Hebron High School (Baltimore, MD)16. Wildlake High School (Columbia, MD)17. Animas SDS Fort Lewis College (Durango, CO)18. Macalester College Peace and Justice Committee(St. Paul, MN): Walk-Out19. Georgia State University SDS20. Kennesaw State University Campus Greens (Kennesaw, GA)21. American University Community Action + Social Justice Coalition (DC)22. Auckland University Students for Justice in Palestine/SDS: Student Strike23. Depaul DSAW/SDS24. University of Chicago SDS25. School of the Art Institute of Chicago SDS26. Northeastern Illinois University CAN27. Desales High School Amnesty (Columbus, OH): Tabling and armbands28. Lancaster, PA SDS29. NYU Campus Anti-War Network: Walk-Out and rally at Washington Square Park.30. Temple Campus Anti-War Network31. Berea High School Ohio Fighters for Freedom: Walk-Out and Rally32. University of Florida in Gainesville SDS: Walkout/MarchAnd these are the organizations that have endorsed the call to action!"

I'm sure that list will grow by the 20th.


[Edited on March 1, 2007 at 7:55 AM. Reason : found some more info]

3/1/2007 7:40:22 AM

Yes protests can work if executed properly. I was in Ukraine a few years ago during the Orange Revolution and that def worked to get a second runoff vote due to massive fraud.

3/1/2007 8:46:18 AM

http://ncst.facebook.com/event.php?eid=2235069300

3/12/2007 6:08:53 PM

I hope hanoi jane and her band of merry idiots don't try to deface the vietnam memorial like I've heard talk of

if it happens well, she'll get whats coming to her

3/12/2007 6:10:38 PM

If you buy that anybody at the protest would deface the Vietnam memorial, I've got some magic beans to sell you.

Jeez man, try some critical thinking on where you're getting your information from. Jane Fonda isn't even listed as endorsing the march. She probably realized she received enough eyes-closed-flak for endorsing the march on January 27th, so she'll abstain this time and allow the pro-war contingent to fiercely forcefeed its listeners another nonissue.

If I see anyone defacing the memorial, I'll be sure to put them in their place.

3/12/2007 7:48:09 PM

you're gonna be up there?


I seriously hope no one defaces it


I haven't read much about the march, just heard there was gonna be one and that there were rumors about "defacing the wall"

3/13/2007 9:45:57 AM

Yep, I'll be there. I think I've got some room in my car if others are interested in going. You just need to chip in on gas money.

I don't sure if protests work or not anymore; there was a huge nationwide protest early in the new congressional session and what has changed? Not shit. Americans have allowed the media to polarize the country so anyone who stands for anything can just be cast aside as a dirty liberal or Bible-thumping conservative.

There are so many messages the protesters are trying to get out that it mostly comes out as muddled garbage. But if protests do work in some small way, I'll be there doing my part. If they don't work, I'll still be there having a ball with friends in DC. Attending a march feels like contributing to the writing of a US History textbook. Unfortunately I don't think this march will get as many people as the January march.

Sorry about being a bastard in my earlier post.

3/13/2007 4:08:15 PM

obviously any large group of people is bound to have a few bad apples...hopefully these bad apples have a little more respect than to deface war american war memorials...if not, i'm sure there will be plenty of veterans who fought for this country who would be glad to fight some protester who thinks its cool to spraypaint war memorials

3/13/2007 4:22:51 PM

George Bush does not care about protests. I'm sure of that much.

3/13/2007 8:24:32 PM

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"Attending a march feels like contributing to the writing of a US History textbook."

aw, that's so cute.

3/13/2007 9:14:05 PM

Look at that. Someone with 10,000 posts on an online forum poking fun at someone for participating in reality.

3/13/2007 9:46:27 PM

oh snap, pwnt by a n00b

3/13/2007 10:22:10 PM

omg i am so ashamed now

p.s. "participating in reality" sure as shit doesn't include banging your bongo drum with a bunch of your hippy friends at a "protest" in Washington DC

go protest in Saudi Arabia, Iran, or China and maybe i'll give a shit

[Edited on March 13, 2007 at 10:46 PM. Reason : s]

3/13/2007 10:44:50 PM

http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2007/03/84110.html

The scene was nightmarish. Blistering cold, 32 F + 20 mph winds and low helicopters. Counterdemonstrators screaming obscenities, ripping up signs and being irrate at the beginning of the march. The middle of the march, crossing the Potomac, was amazing. The Pentagon was a sign on the apocalypse. Ominous clouds, tear gas in the air, riot gear and assault rifles ready. Freedom's enforcers, with their Freedom Masks for our Freedom Gas.

All in all, a surefire sign of our degeneration into an Orwellian nightmare. Of course the media continues to marginalize any noteworthy story in order to publicize celebrity stupidity and abductions/murders.

3/19/2007 10:31:03 AM

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"The Pentagon was a sign on the apocalypse"

3/19/2007 10:43:49 AM

50,000 people waving signs on 10,000 different topics in the cold is not making a statement.

3/19/2007 10:47:55 AM

http://www.technicianonline.com/media/storage/paper848/news/2007/03/19/News/AntiWar.Protests.Attracts.State.Students-2779257.shtml" target="_blank">http://media.http://www.technicianonline.com/media/storage/paper848/news/2007/03/19/News/AntiWar.Protests.Attracts.State.Students-2779257.shtml

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"Anti-War protests attracts State students A bus of 60 leaves from Raleigh to march on Pentagon Saja Hindi Issue date: 3/19/07 Section: News PrintEmail Article Tools Page 1 of 2 next > Media Credit: Saja Hindi About 30,000 students, civil rights activists, veterans and concerned citizens joined together in the March on the Pentagon Saturday to protest the war in Iraq and President Bush's foreign policies, despite the cold weather. Dante Strobino, a graduate student in electrical engineering, organized a bus of 60 people that left from N.C. State. People from Wilmington and Fuquay-Varina also joined the group. Strobino, who works with Fight Imperialism Stand Together, said he has been working with anti-war coalitions for years. "It's important to challenge the system at its roots," he said. According to Strobino, the NCSU bus received such a large response because Rosie O'Donnell sent out an email to her list-serve about the protest and put Strobino as the contact for Raleigh."

I think the daily tarheel may have had stuff about this too. Seems like theres been a lot of activity protest-wise this weekend/coming week.

3/19/2007 9:35:53 PM

did you see the picture? there were more signs visible than people, and only 2 of them had the same message.
what a fucking joke.

3/19/2007 9:38:29 PM

Ah, this is a timely subject. I was in San Francisco this weekend and they had yet another "anti-war" protest.

And let me tell, you, it worked.

Assuming the goals were to:

* Deprive the city of significant economic activity for an entire afternoon by blocking off its biggest corridor, Market Street
* Deprive the city of its tax coffers by subsidizing thousands of out-of-towners, most of whom don't have money or aren't willing to spend it in the city limits
* Clog the roads with unnecessary traffic and environmental impact upon the end of the protest
* Show solidarity by having few cohesive groups with any one message.
* Incite public rage among the "crazies" who just don't like loud noises to begin with
* Somehow induce more public vomiting and urination among the vagrant population than usual

Oh yea, it worked. I must say, it was quite a thing to see the good folks of Sonoma County -- yes, wine country -- come out against the war. Truly the wine country bloc will end this terrible conflict. Let's all pop open a Cab for Peace, guys!!!!1

3/20/2007 4:11:45 AM

You can find more rallies here:
http://johnedwards.com/r/12075/813727/

But I've listed the ones for NC.

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"Four years ago today, George Bush landed an S-3B Viking jet on the USS Lincoln and told America that major combat operations were over—mission accomplished. It wasn't. The troops have done everything they were asked. They deserve a hero's welcome. They deserve to come home. Last November, we sent a new Congress to Washington with their own mission: stand up to President Bush and end the war. Congress has taken a critical first step, but it's up to us to make sure they finish the job."

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"Events in your area: click on an event name to sign up 02 May 06:00 PM No Bush veto on the Iraq supplemental bill - 0 miles away Chapel Hill Post Office 35 registered participant(s) (500 maximum) Franklin St Chapel Hill, NC 27514 Description handicap accessible 02 May 05:00 PM anti-veto rally - 8 miles away Main St. & Gregson 25 registered participant(s) (100 maximum) Main St. & Gregson St. Durham, NC 27701 Description Attend the rally to express our concern for elevating the war in Iraq any further - bring our troops home safe! 02 May 04:00 PM Can You Hear Us Now?! - 25 miles away Moore Square, downtown Raleigh (Blount and Hargett) 29 registered participant(s) (150 maximum) Moore Square, downtown Raleigh (Blount and Hargett) Raleigh, NC 27601 Description This is another great opportunity to help end the war. For those of you unfamiliar with this location, it is an outdoor public square in downtown Raleigh. It is accessible. 02 May 05:00 PM Iraq Accountability Veto Protest - 44 miles away Greensboro Center City Park near N Davie St. 8 registered participant(s) (500 maximum) 122 N. Elm Street Greensboro, NC 27403 Description Come, Bring Signs to protest Bush's veto of the Iral Accountability Act 2007 We'll spend an hour or more protesting on the corner of of the Greensboro city park near Cafe Europa. Everyone needs to know that We support the troops by means of Phased Withdrawl by 2008! Bring ANYTHING COLORFUL AND/OR LOUD AND ATTENTION GETTING 02 May 05:30 PM Rally Against the Veto - 129 miles away Sidewalk in front of Rep. Patrick McHenry's Hickory Office 11 registered participant(s) (100 maximum) 87 4th St NW Suite A Hickory, NC 28601 Description This is an emergency response action. Bush is expected to veto the Iraq Accountability Act Wednesday, May 2nd. Our plan is to have a Rally Against the Veto that same afternoon at 5:30pm. If you'd like to attend please register through the link provided. We're setting Wednesday, May 2nd as our national rally day. Hundreds of rallies across the country have been organized by members of MoveOn, True Majority, Working Assets, US Action, and other coalition partners. Together, we'll raise a clear call to Congress: stand firm on ending the war and tell the President to stop ignoring the will of the American people. Most Americans support a timeline and the President is standing in the way. It's time to take action. Don't forget the noisemakers and signs. 02 May 05:00 PM Veto Rally - 133 miles away Wilmington City Hall, 3rd &Princess Streets 9 registered participant(s) (300 maximum) Wilmington City Hall, 3rd & Princess Street Wilmington, NC 28401 Description This is a rally to protest Bush's veto of the funding bill Congress sent him. DATE ANNOUNCED: WEDNESDAY, 5 PM, IT'S THE ANNIVERSARY OF BUSH'S DECLARATION OF "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED." BRING NOISEMAKERS TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THE WHITE HOUSE. 02 May 05:00 PM IRAQ FUNDING VETO RALLY - 183 miles away POLK COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY PARKING LOT ROUTE 108 COLUMBUS, NC 0 registered participant(s) (500 maximum) 1289 W.MILLS ST. (HIWAY 108) COLUMBUS, NC 28722 Directions: I-26 TO ROUTE 108 TOWARD TRYON. LIBRARY ON LEFT AND SHARES PARKING AREA WITH ISOTHERMAL COMMUNITY COLLEGE Description GW BUSH IS DOING ANYTHING HE CAN TO SALVAGE HIS PRESIDENTIAL LEGACY. LET HIM KNOW HE CANNOT DO THIS WITH THE LIVES OF OUR FELLOW COUNTRYMEN IN THE MILITARY AND IRAQI CIVILIANS AND CHILDREN. VOICE YOUR INSISTANCE TO ACCEPT THE TIMELINE PUT FORTH BY CONGRESS.IT IS WHAT WE HAVE ASKED CONGRESS TO DO FOR OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. "

5/1/2007 5:22:41 PM

Quote :

"Well one of the guys running for president of the US lives in Chapel Hill, so there's some chance important people could hear them even on local news. "

a contractor of mine is building one hell of a pool there right now, so I would be he ain't planning on going to dc anytime soon

5/1/2007 8:19:07 PM

my favorite pic from the Pentagon protest.



apparently, these guys think protests work.

i especially like the inbred-lookin' guy on the left. looks like a character out of beavis and butthead.

5/1/2007 8:39:11 PM