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"But judging from his writings, it appears quite clear that he was very well informed as far as Judaism and the Jews."

Or he wasn't well informed at all. In fact, he was probably just on the bandwagon of medeival anti-semitism - just like you excused him for being on the ant-heliocentric bandwagon:

Jews were finally expelled from England in 1290.
http://www.unc.edu/depts/chaucer/zatta/prioress.html

In much of Europe during the Middle Ages, Jews were denied citizenship and its rights, barred from holding posts in government and the military, and excluded from membership in guilds and the professions.
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-215021/anti-Semitism

Antisemitism flares up at the time of the Crusades when the looseness of the transnational crusader community makes it all the more susceptible to being scandalized by the ritual unity of the Jewish communities encountered on the way to the Middle East. The well-poisoning Jewish scapegoat of the 1348 plague is accused of refusing to transcend the ethical toward the moral; his narrow community spirit supposedly makes him immune from, hence a likely fomenter of, the contagion that spreads through the less compact communities of Christendom. (In fact, closer-knit communities did fare better in the plague, because they took better care of their victims despite the risk of contagion.)
http://www.anthropoetics.ucla.edu/views/vw301.htm

The theory which developed from the earliest days of Christianity - of a nation which killed Christ, rejected the revelation and prevented others from gaining salvation - became firmly entrenched as one of the central factors of life in Medieval Europe.

The influence of Christianity encompassed all strata of society and all aspects of life. Christian heritage, with its anti-Semitic aspects, was passed on in the preaching and sermons of the church. Cultural life also reflected these beliefs:

Art - Art contributed greatly to the spread of the negative image of Jews in pictures of Jews with horns and a tail (depicting Satan), Jews breastfeeding from a pig, Jews performing rituals which harm Christians and many more suchlike. Most of the famous artists of the period painted and sculpted creations stemming from Christian heritage. The focus of this artwork was the suffering of Jesus with an ever present accusing finger pointed at the Jews.

Literature - Literary characters and works strengthen the negative stereotype, for example Shylock in Shakespeare's 'The Merchant of Venice'. It is interesting to note that this work was written in England at a time when Jews were not allowed to reside in the country at all and despite this the anti-Semitic overtone is blatantly clear.

Theatre - In Medieval times it was very common to present religious plays which were seen by all strata of society. The 'Passion' was one sort pf play which dramatized, in detail, the suffering of Jesus, with the Jews playing a significant (negative) role.

Archaeology - Many churches have displayed in front, symbols emphasizing Christianity's victory over Judaism. A famous example that exists till today - in the cathedral in Strasbourg, France, there are 2 statues - one stands erect and beautiful, representing the church, upright and proud, and next to her an image of the "Synagoga", eyes blindfolded and head downcast, to emphasize the blindness and humiliation of Judaism.

Language - Language is a means of transferring messages and ideas. This is very apparent when looking at the word 'Jew'. In European dictionaries the word Jew is equivalent to exploiter, an untrustworthy person or a liar. 'Jew' has also become a verb meaning to swindle. In a thesaurus, the word 'Jew' appears together with the expressions 'interest bearing loan' and 'miser'. It is important to note that definitions such as these appeared in the widely used Oxford Dictionary up till the middle of the twentieth century!

These were also the years of blood libel in which entire communities were punished due to false accusations of Jews murdering for the sake of some imagined ritual. This happened in the blood libel of 1475 when Jews of the city Trent were burnt at the stake as a result of the discovery of the body of a child names Simon.
http://www.snunit.k12.il/seder/anti/english/hate6eng.html


Pope Gregory orders the Talmud to be burned A.D. 1239 after a disputation. Panel - Pedro Berruguete, 15th century. Note the non-heretical book floating above the fire.

The murderous bubonic plague of 1348 was followed on February 14, 1349 by one of the first and worst pogroms in pre-modern history: 2,500-3,000 Jews were publicly burnt and the rest of them expelled of the city. Until the end of the 18th century, Jews would be forbidden to remain in town after 10 pm. A high-pitched Cathedral-bell that still rings today as well as a municipal herald blowing the Grüselhorn signalled when the time had come.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasbourg#History

I had to do some homework for you since you refuse to do any research aside from that which supports what you want to believe.

[Edited on February 19, 2007 at 4:28 PM. Reason : .]

2/19/2007 4:27:24 PM

^ nice.

2/19/2007 4:45:00 PM

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"he was probably just on the bandwagon of medeival anti-semitism"

Why do you think Jews were expelled from virtually EVERY SINGLE European country at some point in history? Do you think there could have been substantive and logical reasons?

Could it have anything to do with the propensity of Jews to aggregate wealth via usury banking & enslave the "Gentiles" (non-Jews) (ie, via massive debts), and in general wreck the economies of the European nations?

2/19/2007 4:53:50 PM

^ or could it be that lazy, ignorant, and uneducated slobs are constantly just looking for some external causes to blame for their personal misfortunes rather than their own inadequacy and ineptitude.

2/19/2007 5:03:44 PM

^

2/19/2007 5:05:42 PM

While the Church was hostile to Jews in part because of the canonical opposition to usury, most people had a much more narrow worldview and hated jews because they blamed them for the death of Jesus, the spread of the Black Death, the sacrifice of Christian children, etc.

No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?

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"Could it have anything to do with the propensity of Jews to aggregate wealth via usury banking & enslave the "Gentiles""

Are you actually arguing that jews have a genetic predisposition to enslave people?

2/19/2007 5:08:18 PM

boy did they fuck up that whole egypt thing then

i guess ramses must've been better at the game

2/19/2007 6:10:01 PM

nvm

[Edited on February 19, 2007 at 6:29 PM. Reason : .]

2/19/2007 6:23:35 PM

^^those were the good jews, not the j00z or whatever. hah

2/19/2007 6:30:03 PM

haha, the cheese revolution is occuring on campusblender

2/19/2007 6:39:53 PM

link?

2/19/2007 6:56:15 PM

http://www.campusblender.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=255285

2/19/2007 8:36:43 PM

i have also heard that hand washing was a big part of jews faring better during the bubonic plague. but nowadays such hand washing is pretty symbolic and certainly doesnt involve soap. i also am hesitant to believe the "people only washed once a year" line.

pure speculation.

2/19/2007 9:41:07 PM

^

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"Hot baths were very popular and most towns, as late as the mid-1200s had public bathhouses. Wood fires heated the water, but this posed two problems. First, out of control fires could consume several blocks of buildings. And as the forests were depleted, firewood became expensive and the rising costs of heating the water forced most of the bathhouses to close. Some tried burning coal to heat water, but the fumes proved to be unhealthy. By the mid-1300s, only the very wealthy could afford firewood for hot water in the winter. The rest of the population was forced to be dirty most of the time. Barrels were often used as baths, with entire families sharing the same water."

http://www.medieval-life.net/bathing.htm

That coincides extremely well with the initial outbreak of the Black Death, but I'm sure that there are numerous other reasons; one of the links at the top of the page that I listed mentioned the close-knit nature of medieval jewish communities as being beneficial due to the care that the sick would receive.

2/19/2007 9:54:50 PM

its also jewish custom to bury the dead as soon as possible. up until about the early to mid 20th century that meant burying people the day after they died. im sure that helped too.

2/19/2007 10:08:06 PM

Disguising your hatred with silly "facts" from the Bible (http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=392028), or showing that "Hey! Other people hate Jews too!" doesn't make you less of a bigot.

2/19/2007 10:36:53 PM

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"Disguising your hatred with silly "facts" from the Bible or showing that "Hey! Other people hate Jews too!" doesn't make you less of a bigot."

Relying on cute little smear words, as in calling people "bigots" and "haters" and "anti-Semites" (*GASP*) is not going to work any more. It's not going to intimidate anyone into silence or prevent a rational discussion of the issues as it once did. Those smear tactics worked back in the days before the internet when the MSM political correctness propaganda had more of a foothold.

Call me a "hater" or a "bigot" all you want. It's accomplishing nothing.

2/20/2007 12:00:12 PM

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"rational discussion"

that's rich. you are incapable of rational anything, let alone discussion.

2/20/2007 12:56:26 PM

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"Relying on cute little smear words, as in calling people "bigots" and "haters" "

isnt that what you call the Jews?

2/20/2007 12:57:10 PM

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"isnt that what you call the Jews?"

I don't recall ever calling Jews "bigots" or "haters", etc. I certainly have described who, what, and why they hate certain things in my many discussions related to Judaism, etc.

Look. You know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about when a person responds to an argument by just calling someone a name. For example, liberals will often respond to someone opposing immigration policy, advocating racial separatism, etc...by just calling them a name. "You racist/bigot/xenophobe!"/etc. And there is no logical or substantive discussion of the position taken on the issue. It's just blanket name-calling, as if that alone is enough to counter the argument. This is possible because of the foundation laid by mainstream media, which made such labels effective propaganda and smear terms.

I don't just engage in blanket name-calling without explaining and providing evidence as to why a particular term should apply to the person.

2/20/2007 1:20:06 PM

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" don't just engage in blanket name-calling without explaining and providing evidence as to why a particular term should apply to the person."

i actually agree with you although unfortunately your evidence usually consists of conspiracy theory blogs

2/20/2007 1:20:53 PM

so when is salisburybot gonna respond to the facts presented?

2/20/2007 1:23:19 PM

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"your evidence usually consists of conspiracy theory blogs "

Exactly. And good job. You're putting the blanket smear term tactic to work right away.

Anyone with alternative viewpoints on major issues (eg, 9/11, Iraq, influence over our government, etc.)...that differ from the "mainstream" view espoused by the mainstream media and the government are to be immediately dismissed as mere "conspiracy theorists."

Of course, when you see that someone has been labelled a "conspiracy theorist" (or "kook", etc) that automatically means the person is wrong. And probably insane. This accusation especially carries weight if someone in the government or media says it. And you don't have to actualy talk about the issues substantively or rationally in order to counter their position. You just call them these names. See how easy it is?

2/20/2007 1:56:03 PM

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"Anyone with alternative viewpoints on major issues (eg, 9/11, Iraq, influence over our government, etc.)...that differ from the "mainstream" view espoused by the mainstream media and the government are to be immediately dismissed as mere "conspiracy theorists.""

You don't have alternative viewpoints though. You're just copying and pasting from other sites.

2/20/2007 2:00:44 PM

That's right. I've never written a single word or sentence that was my own. NEVER. NOT ONE.




Good job man. Not only are we learning to use smear terms and name-calling tactics. Now we're utilizing the misrepresentation and bald-faced-lie tactics.

2/20/2007 2:19:17 PM

Several people are trying to have a rational discussion. Please stop trying so hard to be a victim and defend your ideas.

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"No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?"

2/20/2007 3:12:33 PM

^^ Would you like me to list all the questions in this and other threads you have created that you just don't answer?

You don't have any original or interesting thoughts that are your own. It's as if you're a robot.

2/20/2007 3:23:53 PM

salisbury there is a big difference in sites that express "alternate opinions" and sites that claim they have 100% proof that bush and cheney planted bombs on WTC before the planes hit as part of their masonic ritual

2/20/2007 3:53:49 PM

I didn't just call you a bigot, I pointed out that your points are completely invalid. The majority of the world thinks the Bible is completely fiction. Your so called "God" claims in certain parts of the Bible to love all of his people equally, and in others claims to just love all people, and later again claims that the Israelites are loved above all. How can you buy into such a hypocritical deity?

2/20/2007 6:10:18 PM

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"Righto, well, you have fun with that. I look forward to your next attempt to declare your same rigid opinions on the same meaningless topic under a different name. Or does that describe all of your threads?"

Suppose you could always use "unconfirmed" or "unrealistic" or your adjective of choice instead of "rigid".

2/20/2007 6:15:13 PM

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"salisbury there is a big difference in sites that express "alternate opinions" and sites that claim they have 100% proof that bush and cheney planted bombs on WTC..."

Straman attempt? Look. 99.9%+ of the sites talking about government complicity/cover-up on 9/11 aren't saying that Bush and Cheney physically planted the explosives in the WTC themselves. No one is saying that. Now of course they discuss the evidence for use of explosives in the WTC towers and WTC Building 7. No one knows who exactly it was that placed the explosives. The prime suspects would elements of the CIA, FBI, Mossad, etc.

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"Your so called "God" claims in certain parts of the Bible to love all of his people equally, and in others claims to just love all people, and later again claims that the Israelites are loved above all. How can you buy into such a hypocritical deity?"

I've covered this and related issues on other threads on TWW, but to summarize...not all of the books in the Bible should be included in the Bible (specifically, all of Saul/Paul's writings should be excluded as part of the canon of Scripture). Further, much of the scripture has been deliberately mistranslated and tampered with.

When reading just those scriptures that are canonical, and when translated and interpreted correctly...the overall message of the Bible is of God's work with one specific race of people...specifically the Israelites. And Jesus only came for the Israelites...not ALL people (which is based largely on Paul's writings, the insertion of John 3:16, and other mistranslations/misinterpretations of Scripture).

More on this and other related subjects in these threads:

Who are the real Israelites and does it matter?
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=389848

*GOD* is a "racist" and "anti-Semite"
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=392028

Paul of Tarsus: False Apostle and Deceiver?
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=362707

All "humans" did NOT descend from Adam (or Noah)
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=429124

2/21/2007 11:55:56 AM

No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?
No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?
No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?
No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?

No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?

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"[link]No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?[/link]"

2/21/2007 12:13:11 PM

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"No one knows who exactly it was that placed the explosives. The prime suspects would elements of the CIA, FBI, Mossad, etc. "

or it could have been one of those airplanes that hit the towers

you will at least concede that planes actually hit the towers right?

except of course the pentagon even though i posted a video a year ago of how reinforced concrete can easily disintegrate a plane

2/21/2007 12:21:53 PM

[link]No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?[/link]

2/21/2007 12:24:26 PM

2/21/2007 12:33:20 PM

30th FTMFW

2/21/2007 12:39:39 PM

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"No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?"

2/21/2007 3:40:58 PM

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"No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?"

2/28/2007 4:07:13 PM

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"No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?"

3/1/2007 4:53:50 PM

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3/1/2007 10:29:29 PM

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"No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?"

3/5/2007 6:18:55 PM

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"No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?"

There is no evidence, is there? You simply made up an accusation in the hopes that no one would question it and it would help your case.

Isn't your claim a blatant lie?

3/6/2007 3:15:33 PM

It's official, salisburyboy is a coward and a liar.

3/7/2007 2:34:31 PM

hahah

this thread makes me lol

3/7/2007 4:28:25 PM

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"It's official, salisburyboy is a coward and a liar."

You wish.

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"No, the jews did not "wreck the economies" of medievel Europe. Can you even find any evidence to support your wild claims?"

As has already been pointed out in this thread, Martin Luther had much to say on this...

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/1543-Luther-JewsandLies-full.html

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"In addition, no one is holding them here now. The country and the roads are open for them to proceed to their land whenever they wish. If they did so, we would be glad to present gifts to them on the occasion; it would be good riddance. For they are a heavy burden, a plague, a pestilence, a sheer misfortune for our country. Proof for this is found in the fact that they have often been expelled forcibly from a country, far from being held captive in it. Thus they were banished from France (which they call *Tsorfath,* from Obadiah 20), which was an especially fine nest. Very recently they were banished by our dear Emperor Charles from Spain, the very best nest of all (which they called *Sefarad,* also on the basis of Obadiah). This year they were expelled from the entire Bohemian crownland, where they had one of the best nests, in Prague. Likewise, during my lifetime they have been driven from Regensburg, Magdeburg, and other places. [...] In fact, they hold us Christians captive in our own country. They let us work in the sweat of our brow to earn money and property while they sit behind the stove, idle away the time, fart, and roast pears. They stuff themselves, guzzle, and live in luxury and ease from our hard-earned goods. With their accursed usury they hold us and our property captive. Moreover, they mock and deride us because we work and let them play the role of lazy squires at our expense and in our land. Thus they are our masters and we are their servants, with our property, our sweat, and our labor."

(NOTE: For passage cited above, see approximately 95% down page)


Can you understand that Mr. Joshua? The Jews aggregated the wealth of the non-Jews in the nations where they resided via their use of usury banking. So much so that the non-Jews were effectively enslaved (much as we see today) to the banking/Jewish establishment.

That's effectively "wrecking the economy" by any reasonable understanding of the phrase. At least for the great masses of non-Jews. But I guess if you looked at it from the perspective of the elite Jewish/banking interests, you could say the economy was "great."

3/7/2007 4:33:20 PM

OK, to expand on Mr. Joshua's question, do you have any evidence to support your wild claims that is from a slightly more neutral party? Like a historian, or an economist...

Because while I can take Martin Luther's opinions as part of the argument, I'm not keen on taking them as the whole, considering his apparently vicious hatred of Jews that was possibly based on the fact that he could not get them to convert to Christianity.

Just something else to support your position would be nice. You know, research, that thing you do when you want to support your side of an argument.

3/7/2007 5:39:05 PM

You're reaching extremely far there. You cited a period anti-semitic rant from a religious person who faults the jews for usury, something that all members of the church were opposed to. The simple existence of usury cannot be equated with the jews wrecking the economies of Europe - to say that it does shows an utter incompetence in regards to economics.

How about you find an impartial modern history that explains how the jews wrecked medieval economies instead of scrambling back to the medieval anti-semitic rant that inspired you to create this thread?

Yes, you are a liar and a coward.

[Edited on March 7, 2007 at 5:40 PM. Reason : .]

3/7/2007 5:39:08 PM

FUCKING OWNED

I WOULDN'T POST A PIC OF MYSELF

OR LET FOLKS KNOW MY NAME

EITHER IF I TOOK IT IN THE #2 HOLE EVERY DAY ON THIS SITE

YOU HAVE BEEN CLOWNED TO THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF CLOWNETRY

YOU'RE A FARCE

A COWARD

A BITCH



Summary : Commit suicide.

3/7/2007 6:28:21 PM

troll on State409c

quite amusing

3/8/2007 8:09:56 AM

You're right, it's more amusing then any of the unoriginal ideas you have copied and pasted from other sites into here.

You can't think for yourself to save yourself from yourself.

You're a vacuum where entropy goes to die.

You are a disappointment to the human race.

Kill yourself immediately, if not sooner.

3/8/2007 9:00:43 AM