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3/2/2007 6:51:04 PM

Curry was caught selling, not smoking, big difference in the eyes of the law (felony). The kid can't even vote legally, the fact that he plays Div I is a slap and an embarassment to the university (OSU). Now, I'm all for second chances for smoking pot and things that go on at every school, but would you want it to be your school to enroll a convicted felon, emphasis on convicted, no ifs ands or buts. And if UNC wasn't loaded from a basketball standpoint, you can bet they would have thought a lot longer and a lot harder and the spin machine for how he was a "misunderstood kid" would have been in full force and he would have enrolled. They even loss JR Smith in that recruitng class and still won the national title the next year with just marvin williams enrolling.

I don't see lawson getting into any more trouble with ol Roy. I personally don't see why the kid doesn't play 35 minutes, he's a top 5 PG in america, if you ask me, for the minutes he plays. Frasor is not the future obviously, and UNC doesn't have any incoming PGs, so Lawson can do anything short of a felony and he's fine. If any one of you caught his myspace page last year while he was in high school before the UNC Ath. Dept. had him yank it down you can pretty much surmise what he's up to in his spare time.

3/2/2007 9:40:44 PM

^Lighten up. It's not like he was some big time drug dealer, like he had the time to push weight. Based on what he actually did, me and pretty much all my friends should be convicted of the same shit.

[Edited on March 2, 2007 at 11:23 PM. Reason : on, not one]

3/2/2007 11:19:23 PM

bridget are you a man, yes or yes

3/2/2007 11:22:23 PM

Yes. Yes, I am.

3/2/2007 11:23:51 PM

I knew it!!!!!!!!

3/2/2007 11:24:22 PM

he got into a fight in practice and pushed one of the coaches.

3/2/2007 11:28:19 PM

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"^Lighten up. It's not like he was some big time drug dealer, like he had the time to push weight. Based on what he actually did, me and pretty much all my friends should be convicted of the same shit."

that's a pretty fucking weak arguement

3/2/2007 11:36:50 PM

^Yeah, cause I always start serious arguments with "lighten up."

3/2/2007 11:46:16 PM

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"^Lighten up. It's not like he was some big time drug dealer, like he had the time to push weight. Based on what he actually did, me and pretty much all my friends should be convicted of the same shit."

Lighten up??? How bout you grow up. I wonder why JamesOn didn't tell UNC to "lighten up" to begin with when they heard about his felony drug distrubution conviction? Wait, you mean universities don't want to put a kid on scholarship and pay for his every expense for 4 years if he gets convicted of a felony? Man, parents (and the university) just don't understand, screw them!

3/3/2007 7:45:03 AM

^I didn't say that. UNC-CH had every right to deny an athletic scholarship to Curry. What I objected to in your post was all this nonsense about his playing at OSU being a "slap and an embarassment" to the univeristy.

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"NCSUMEB: Curry was caught selling, not smoking, big difference in the eyes of the law (felony). The kid can't even vote legally, the fact that he plays Div I is a slap and an embarassment to the university (OSU). Now, I'm all for second chances for smoking pot and things that go on at every school, but would you want it to be your school to enroll a convicted felon, emphasis on convicted, no ifs ands or buts."

He helped someone who he thought was a friend get a little pot. If you wanna go this "conivcted felon" route, that's fine. You can imagine him however you please.

And you talked about how, under other circumstances, Carolina might have tried to keep him on and sell him to the public as a "misunderstood kid." Misunderstood? Did you go to high school? What's so hard to understand about a kid who helps his friends out when they're looking to get stoned?

Here's a decent column from Caulton Tudor on the matter:
http://www.newsobserver.com/769/story/317121.html

It pretty much sums up my opinion on the matter.

3/3/2007 1:07:15 PM

soo....what does this thread have to do with ty lawson? ive seen practically nothing in relation

3/3/2007 2:27:51 PM

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" He helped someone who he thought was a friend get a little pot."

WOW!? What in the fuck are you talking about. He was the distributor for his entire high school. I don't think you understand that he had ounces coming through him.

This wasnt like he got pulled over on the side of the highway with a quarter bag, they set up a fucking sting operation with undercover officers to bust him and his supply chain.

Think about it for one fucking second, would a 16 year old really get convicted if this was all over one bag of weed? This was a LARGE bust especially for a rural community.

[Edited on March 3, 2007 at 5:30 PM. Reason : a]

3/3/2007 5:29:41 PM

Bridget, Rally hammered home my point so i'll not waste your time and re post. However, regarding this:

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"If you wanna go this "conivcted felon" route, that's fine."

Why did you use quotations to describe JamesOn? He IS a convicted felon, no need for you to use quotes as if i'm descirbing a connotation or trying to further describe a point I'm trying to make. You may look it up if you please, the guy can't even vote due to his felony CONVICTION, it's not "conviction." Do you "go to NC State" or go to NC State?

I think this part is the best:

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"What's so hard to understand about a kid who helps his friends out when they're looking to get stoned?"

First off, the guy was trafficking, not "trying to find a little pot." I'd go into it more, but Raly already did. Please email your above question in quotes to the dean of your department and see if he agrees with you, I'm sure he will totally see your point, like totally.

It is an embarassment to Ok State to enroll this guy, and that's my opinion, and the opinion of a lot of people (who are probably older (=wiser, most of the time) i'll admit). Ok state also accepted another Carolina flunk out in Adarius Bowman, of course he wasn't selling, just using. And their old coach has had problems with alcohol, including getting tanked before recruiting visits and driving, of all the time in a day/week/month to get tanked, he couldn't even keep sober for a 2 hour visit??? Would you have wanted your 18 year old son to play for Sutton and be exposed to that stuff for 4 years while Sutton tells you (the parent) he'll "try to keep your son out of trouble, keep his grades in order, steer him away from afterdark illegal activites." Sutton probably took them to the bar for team meetings. Point is, Ok State doesn't have a whole lot of respect from guys like me. And don't think for a second that Ok State didn't know about his drinking problem, it was documented while Sutton was at UK decades ago and they wacthed the guy mentor 18-22 year olds.

3/3/2007 8:22:03 PM

I honeslty don't have a problem with taking a kid who might have gotten into some trouble. Even a felony drug charge as long as he: 1) turned his life around and showed a committment to shool; and 2) is ok with strict testing and a one strike policy..

I've mentioned Caron Butler and he was a convicted felon in Wisconsin.. he went to prep school for 2 years and is set to graduate from UConn this next summer (on top of being one of the true NBA 'good guys' as far as charities and the sort..He is an example of a kid who made bad choices early on in high school and completely changed his life around. I'd hate to think a good guy like that should have never gotten the chance to show how he is now..

I don't think it should be a death penalty by any means and if JameSon Curry can turn his life around and end up with a college degree because he happened to be good at bball then more power to him.. That said, those with a history should have a VERY short leash...

[Edited on March 3, 2007 at 8:26 PM. Reason : x]

3/3/2007 8:25:45 PM

I'm not going to be hypocritical and say I'd let it slide and enroll a guy if I were in charge of a major div I university, or hire someone applying for a job. Now, getting caught smoking pot is not what would concern me. But when the county hires an entire unit to perform a sting operation because you're feloniously selling that much dope, you can't tell me that was the first time he'd sold dope. He'd done it over and over, and knew it was wrong over and over and was sorry, sorry he got caught. Of course JamesOn is going to be on his P's and Q's while in stillwater. The university has likely assembled the "J squad" whose solitary mission is to keep this guy out of trouble. What I ask is in a few years when he's on his own with no one looking after him and he messes up, what happens? Do you say, well he's fallen back into it, or do you say well he's always been this way he just didn't do anything dumb in stillwater while he was under the microscope just as anyone with common sense would have done? You know, i don't hear about too many people getting drunk while on the betty ford property.

3/3/2007 8:40:36 PM

I think it was the right decision for Roy Williams to deny the scholarship to JamesOn Curry. I also believe it was the right thing for OK State to offer one to him.

I don't know JamesOn personally, but I don't see a problem with giving the guy a second chance - especially if you believe he sincerely wants to turn his life around. But, it would probably be a lot harder for him to do that in NC. Sometimes, it's a lot easier to change your life if you get away from what contributed to your problems in the first place. The familiar friends and the familiar scenery (not to mention the familiarity of the case with the opposing teams fans) might have made it more difficult for him to move on. In OK, he could at least have closer to a fresh start. Roy Williams probably thought the same thing but, more importantly to him, he probably didn't want to tarnish the reputation of the school by allowing him to play.

OK State is probably just more concerned with getting a top player, so inviting him to play works out great for them. It seems to have worked out for everyone.

3/3/2007 11:31:15 PM

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"I don't know JamesOn personally, but I don't see a problem with giving the guy a second chance"

I don't know him either, but do you think it was his first time feloniously trafficking pot??? I don't, considering the evidence that the county/state put out a sting specifically to catch his type, might have been his first time getting caught, but not first timedoing it. I just feel there is a big difference in selling pot and smoking it, as does the law. I personally don't want NC State having convicted drug dealers on any team, and I don't think this is a "holier than thou" statement, or a "more righteous than you are" claim. If it is, I am out of touch at a young age. I could care less if we take recruits or keep current athletes who have been caught smoking once or twice.

brewery, I can appreciate your optimism, but I gotta fix a few things

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"especially if you believe he sincerely wants to turn his life around go to the NBA and have enogh money to buy himself out of these situations "

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"Sometimes, it's a lot easier to change your life if you get away from what contributed to your problems in the first place a university who will babysit your every move 24/7 round the clock and you have a probation officer who checks in on you round the clock "

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"Roy Williams probably thought the same thing guy was an idiot for jeopardizing his life outside bars, let alone a scholarship to one of the most prestegious basketball schools in America "

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"he would never probably didn't want to tarnish the reputation of the school "

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"OK State is probably obviously just more concerned with getting a top player"

[Edited on March 4, 2007 at 3:11 AM. Reason : .]

3/4/2007 2:53:49 AM

^ I don't disagree with you. I, too, think he was an idiot for doing what he did. And I am glad he didn't go to an ACC school after it happened. That doesn't necessarily mean, in my opinion (or in the opinion of the law or, apparently, OK State), that he shouldn't be allowed to play college basketball anywhere at all. But, if he does something like that again, he'd better hope his credentials and basketball skills are good enough to get him into the NBA because you know no one is going to touch him then. Not everyone gets a second chance - he was lucky to get it.

I completely understand where you're coming from, and I don't blame anyone who feels that way. I never trafficked drugs when I was 17, but I did some pretty stupid shit (like most everyone has). I feel fortunate that nothing I did when I was that age ever had any long term effects on my life.

3/4/2007 3:20:41 AM

can we get this thread back on topic? or let it lock

3/4/2007 8:18:57 AM

What are you guys talking about? "Distributor for his entire school?"

I've read that the sting opetation was to clean up the school, not specifically to catch Curry "and his supply chain."

Could y'all find a link?


Fuck it, I don't know why you guys are trying paint him as some big time drug dealer, making tons of money. I've read three articles now that talk about how it was essentially entrapment. The UC never asked Curry for marijuana. He asked if he knew where he could get some or if he could get some for him and talked about his crappy home life and how he needed to get high. Curry got him some marijuana and sold it to him on two occasions, probably made 5 dollars--if that. He had a lawyer who was ready to go to bat for him, but the DA singled him out and said that if he didn't plead guilty, he'd either have to hope for an acquittal or prepare for prison. Curry was one of 50 students charged in the sting, and pretty much everyone, including the fucking sherriff, said it was extremely out of character for him to have sold drugs.

So fuck a link. Y'all are wrong.

[Edited on March 4, 2007 at 9:31 AM. Reason : sss]

3/4/2007 9:08:34 AM

^That is compatible with the accounts I have heard. Cops went undercover as students, and Jameson became an intermediary and hooked up the "new kid" from someone he knew sold weed. Even the cops said they didn't think Jameson was a "dealer".

3/4/2007 9:45:45 AM

^Yeah, and I've done that over a hundred times, and I'm not a drug dealer. I wanna know where the other guys in this thread got the idea that he was the main distributor for his school and that the sting was designed to bust him specifically. Where are they getting their info?

3/4/2007 10:06:53 AM

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"I wanna know where the other guys in this thread got the idea that he was the main distributor for his school "

Please find where I said he was the sole reason for the sting. If you can read carefully, this doesn't create an issue. I said they created a sting to bust his type. All I posted were facts, and teh facts are that he was convicted of felonious drug trafficking.

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"Yeah, and I've done that over a hundred times, and I'm not a drug dealer"

Have you thought about filling out an application to be our A.D. when the current one retires, I'm sure our alumni and faculty would love this type attitude when enrolling recruits.

3/4/2007 10:45:33 AM

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"NCSUMEB: Please find where I said he was the sole reason for the sting. If you can read carefully, this doesn't create an issue. I said they created a sting to bust his type."

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"NCSUMEB: But when the county hires an entire unit to perform a sting operation because you're feloniously selling that much dope, you can't tell me that was the first time he'd sold dope."

In a later post, you made a reference to "his type."

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"NCSUMEB: Have you thought about filling out an application to be our A.D. when the current one retires, I'm sure our alumni and faculty would love this type attitude when enrolling recruits."

I'm not arguing about any university's decision to give him or to not give him a scholarship.

I'm arguing about your characterization of Curry, and this idea that his playing Div I is a "slap and an embarassment" (spelling error is yours) to OSU. The guy hasn't gotten in trouble since, and you're still saying he's a bad kid, and once people stop watching him, he's gonna fuck up again. What do you have against him personally that you would make such an ass of yourself by spewing that nonsense?

3/4/2007 12:01:32 PM

can we get this thread back on topic? or let it lock

3/4/2007 12:02:37 PM

Sure we can.....Lawson will not be suspended for whatever happened in the past, nor will he be kicked off the team because someone at IC said so... /thread

3/4/2007 12:09:19 PM

the key thing you are missing here is that it was Pot. Pot. Pot shouldn't even be illegal. It's pot. he wasn't selling coke or shit like that, but pot.

3/4/2007 12:10:23 PM

lock

3/4/2007 12:15:59 PM

^^ While it's easy to state your opinion on a message board, would you reveal those sentiments to someone like your boss, or your professors, deans, etc if you are in school?

[Edited on March 4, 2007 at 12:16 PM. Reason : .]

3/4/2007 12:16:08 PM

^Absolutely, I would. What is wrong with you?

3/4/2007 12:43:22 PM