I'm not saying they spent money all day, but I would much rather go to bball practice than go to the office, a school room, etc... I was just using the example of a teacher, if you would like, you may interchange it with whatever career choice you prefer.

Why's er' body always pickin on me!

3/29/2007 1:13:03 PM

a cap on the amount an athlete can make off of endorsements? that's radical.

teachers do not work anywhere near as hard as athletes. as long as people are paying a buck fifty to see agent zero play lebron, they will continue to charge it. welcome to capitalism.

3/29/2007 1:15:19 PM

I think it's just ppl don't like to see the black man make money.

Noone whines when some guy makes millions for owning shares in a company they don't do shit for.

3/29/2007 1:18:38 PM

^^thanks captain obvious

and yeah, it's all about keeping the black man down

there's many examples, this is just one of them

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3/29/2007 1:20:12 PM

Quote :

"Quote : "The Cleveland Cavaliers All-Star and Akron native, whose stated goal is to be the world's first billionaire athlete" Quote : "It is being built on 5.6 acres of land purchased, along with an 11-bedroom house, in 2003 for $2.1 million. " Quote : "razed the house to clear the way for the new one. " so he paid 2.1 million dollars almost 400k per acre in fucking CLEVELAND? looks like he is going to reach that goal of being the first billionaire athlete real soon "

Try reading that again. There was already an 11 bedroom house there...we aren't exactly talking about unimproved land.

3/29/2007 1:23:14 PM

I don't have a problem with capping salaries for sports teams. As long as the players get a fair share (which is why they have unions). That keeps parity among the league. The league benefits when all teams are on par as far as talent goes. The same doesn't work in a free market economy. The problems with capping salaries in a free market economy are too numerous to discuss in a sports board.

But, if you can reach a point where you are no longer financially rewarded for out performing the next guy then where is your motivation to excel? The consumer will always lose out when that happens.

3/29/2007 1:23:23 PM

There is a team salary cap and max deals for players too.

The superstars get most of their money from marketing

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3/29/2007 1:25:27 PM

not like he has to be an idiot with money either.... could have bought 5 acres for 100k without a house, and spent the rest on the bling

3/29/2007 1:31:53 PM

alot of communism in this thread. maybe we should just let the government reallocate all the money accordingly. screw capitalism

command economy ftw

3/29/2007 1:47:00 PM

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=64976

3/29/2007 1:54:01 PM

Lebron is getting stock advice from Buffett.

Second Richest man in the world >>>>>...>> TWW

3/29/2007 2:00:25 PM

Quote :

"so he paid 2.1 million dollars almost 400k per acre in fucking CLEVELAND? looks like he is going to reach that goal of being the first billionaire athlete real soon "

its nice that you bolded things, but are you missing the fact that theres an 11-bedroom house on the property?

3/29/2007 2:20:07 PM

hi haters

3/29/2007 2:26:42 PM

Look, if pro sports had low salary caps like the people here are wishing they had, then multiple things would happen:

1. The level of competition wouldn't be as good, the gifted young star wouldn't be as driven to succeed in pro sports, if the pay was down to where some of you want it (below teachers/doctors) they may choose to do something else.

Besides, in most professions you can start work in your early twenties and work until you are 70 years old or more. Most athletes can only work until 35-40 maximum, and therefore need to make more money per year in order to live after they retire.

2. lower pay for the athletes, who are the ones pouring their sweat and heart out attracting the fans and generating the profits for a sports team, would mean more money for the team owners, who sit on their fat asses and smoke cigars.

3/29/2007 2:36:35 PM

Amazing what gets talked about in ST!

3/29/2007 2:40:16 PM

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"teachers do not work anywhere near as hard as athletes."

Ha ha whatever. My wife is a teacher and she goes to school at 7 each morning, leaves at 5 or later, and then comes home and grades papers and shit for ~2 hrs. That is atleast 12 hrs five days a week and that doesn't count Sunday night when she's planning for the next week.

LeBron does not spend 60+ hrs a week on the basketball court.

3/29/2007 2:54:51 PM

What the hell does she teach?

The teachers I know go to school around 7:30, get off at 3:30, and grade papers during their planning period.

If she is grading papers for 2 hours a day, she needs to be doing way less testing and way more teaching.

Half of my family is teachers, and I doubt any of them work as hard as Pro Athletes have to. Not to say it isn't stressful or difficult, but the sheer hours isn't so bad.

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 3:00 PM. Reason : unless she is also coaching something, then I can see it]

3/29/2007 3:00:05 PM

i dont think anybody is dissing on how hard teachers work or the necessity and honorable nature of their work

but i'll bet you when your wife was in high school, she didnt spend every minute of her free time practicing teaching

the other point is that lots of people can study and become teachers

ALMOST NOBODY can do what Lebron does

3/29/2007 4:32:14 PM

^^ My wife teaches third grade at a VERY low income school. Most of her kids can't even read yet. She spends most of her time trying to figure out how to teach these little illiterate fuckers and then a bunch of time trying to understand how they screwed up their homework so bad. Half of them are illegals and don't speak English at home.

And yes she is the high school cheerleading coach too = more time

Anyway I am not arguing that teachers should be paid more than LeBron, but acting like pro athletes work harder than teachers is stupid. Shooting 1000 jump shots after game does not constitute hard work in my opinion. Maybe working out, running, and practicing is work, but it's a lot less stressful work IMO.





[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 4:45 PM. Reason : gf]

3/29/2007 4:44:40 PM

there are tens of thousands of teachers in this country

there are dozens of NBA superstars in the world

devils advocate: grading 20 multiple choice tests isnt hard work either

obviously her job consists of much, much more than that

but lebron does much more than just shoot 1000 jumpshots a day

let alone, even though a lot of his work might be less stressful...you cant forget that if nike or sprite or somebody calls and is like "we need you in LA tomorrow morning for this event" he's gotta go

course both jobs are pretty slack...with your multi-month off-seasons/summers...i get like 2-3 weeks off a year (plus christmas, thanksgiving, etc)

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 4:51 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2007 4:46:40 PM

^^I'm sure the house that was on the land upped the price quite a bit. But yeh he essentially payed 400K an acre since he bulldozed it.

3/29/2007 4:54:37 PM

you're not gonna find a huge lot for dirt cheap lot in a nice subdivision

3/29/2007 4:58:32 PM

^^^ don't ever tell a teacher that they get the summer off. Many teachers especially young ones take up a second job during the summers.

What would you rather do - take a private jet to LA for a commercial shoot or grade papers for two hours? Athletes have to keep their bodies in shape and sacrifice their bodies as part of their profession, but there are tons of people who would do that shit for $50 K/yr for a chance to make a living playing sports.

Anyway this thread is supposed to be about his ridiculous house, not a lounge topic.




[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 5:00 PM. Reason : sd]

3/29/2007 4:59:08 PM

i'd obviously rather jetset to LA

my point was that some of your wife's 60+ hours are RELATIVELY easy...not having to deal with the kids or some of their problems

and some of the NBA lifestyle is easy as well...but not something like going to the FT line down 2 in at the end of a playoff game

i'm not disagreeing with most of what you're saying because i respect teachers and think they're underpaid

but i do think people like to think just because athletes make a lot of money by playing a sport, that that means they dont work hard as much as anybody

3/29/2007 5:01:47 PM

being a pro athlete is just as stressful as being a teacher.....the hours may or may not be comparable....though both jobs are seasonal. not all teachers work 60 hours, actually I'd bet that's a minority. But if your wife doesn't work 60 hours and put in all the extra work, she wont be cut. If you don't work out in the NBA, you lose your job. May be a different kind of stress. pro athletes have the pressure of an entire city, plus family and teammates. Teachers have students that are being forced to be there.

^^those teachers CHOOSE to work summer jobs, probably because they are underpaid...or they are bored in the Summer.

I was simply replying to the post that suggest athletes do not work as hard as teachers. that's just nuts. Becoming a pro athlete is a life-long struggle. Becoming a teacher is.....

But obviously, teachers are way underpaid and think they choose an admirable career path.

It isn't about what is more enjoyable.....flying to LA is much more of a sacrifice. grading papers for two hours isn't exactly a special skill. I don't get excited if I see a teacher at the supermarket, but if I see Tim Duncan at Food Lion it would make my day.
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3/29/2007 5:18:26 PM

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"teacher works harder than NBA player"

That is a fucking joke. Get back to me when teacher start travelling weeks at a time, playing games, lifting weights, rehabbing, practicing, filming commercials, marketing, shooting, dieting, etc


Teachers don't even work a full calendar year.

You guys are fucking socialists and if athletes shouldnt make so much then quit buying their products and watching their games you commies.


PS. Athletes have ELITE SKILLS.

Teachers don't even have to be very smart or studious to get a degree. I'm not saying there aren't some brilliant teachers out there but the difference between a smart teacher and a brilliant one isn't worth a whole hell of a lot.

The difference between a good basketball player and an elite one is.

Grow up.


I dont care if 70% of her students master geometry or 90% of them do. It doesn't make much of an impact on the world. I do care if a guy can shoot 30% from 3-pt line or 40%. That is a big fucking difference.

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 5:27 PM. Reason : a]

3/29/2007 5:24:05 PM

Well since this isn't exaclty a ST thread anymore I'll still offer my thoughts. Lebron doesn't work harder than a teacher...he works ten times harder than a teacher. Guess what, just as mentioned with grading papers at home, Lebron lifts weights, does more philanthropic work than 95% of the league (exec's included), is on a plane/airport 12 hours a week, and tries to keep his Mom out of trouble with the law, which is difficult etc etc. Tell you what....Give lebron 12 months to learn how to become a teacher and give a teacher 12 months to become at least a D league player and then see how that turns out???? And for whomever mentioned he is fifth in salary on his team, this is his 4th season, he's maxed out as far as cap goes. Think athletes make too much money, stop going to games and buying their shoes = problem solved. I think the NBA is a joke, but their are obviously some folks that don't and enjoy it, so it's not like Lebron is stealing from others to get his.

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 6:49 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2007 6:45:02 PM

He's making more $$ than the president b/c Bush FUCKING Sucks...now lets get back to LeBron, b/c no one gives a fuck about GW!

3/29/2007 7:54:36 PM

^ what are you, 5?

3/29/2007 7:55:51 PM

3/29/2007 7:56:13 PM

Question: Lets assume Nike comes up to him at some point and tells him they would like him to move to a big team...or Lebron one day decides he wants to move so he could win a championship before he retires.

Who in Cleveland can buy this house?

3/29/2007 8:04:56 PM

Quote :

"I think it's just ppl don't like to see the black man make money. Noone whines when some guy makes millions for owning shares in a company they don't do shit for."

that is the most ignorant thing i have ever heard

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

3/29/2007 8:05:10 PM

Quote :

"Who in Cleveland can buy this house?"

What makes you think he would sell it? Shaq has a house in Orlando that he lives in the offseason and where he plans to retire (if that whole sherriff thing in texas doesn't work out). Lebron probably plans to live in this house for the next 20 years. If he goes to a contender when he is 32ish he will likely just live in a P.O.S. 8,000 square foot house for a few seasons.

3/29/2007 8:09:48 PM

^^^Adrian Peterson after he gets drafted by the Browns

Cleveland isnt as much of a shithole as a lot of you people (who probably have never been there) seem to believe. There are some plenty of extremely wealthy people who live there

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 8:12 PM. Reason : asdf]

3/29/2007 8:12:24 PM

have any of you ever been to Cleveland?

nobody wants to live there for 20 years, just ask the people who live there

Quote :

"its nice that you bolded things, but are you missing the fact that theres an 11-bedroom house on the property?"

are you missing the fact that the house was razed?

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 10:06 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2007 10:04:51 PM

^pretty sure he doesn't know what "razed" means

3/29/2007 10:33:58 PM