i got a little newsflash for everyone

some amount of racism will always exist in a country as big as ours

4/13/2007 2:00:56 PM

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"some amount of racism will always exist in a country as big as ours"

but the problem can be curbed... but as long as we have people shoving in our faces how they're different and don't want to be equal... then it will always be rampant..

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 2:02 PM. Reason : .]

4/13/2007 2:01:50 PM

As long as humans exist, we will find ways to exclude those who are different from ourselves. People naturally find the familiar comforting and are scared of the unknown.

4/13/2007 2:03:12 PM

I remember when I went to highschool at Southeast Raleigh how dumb I thought the Black kids were. And I know that sentence taken out of context sounds wrong, but hear me out. The school had the largest computer network in the state, tons of magnet programs, hell you could get Cisco certified just from taking classes there. They built the school in the inner city poor areas so that Black kids could take advantage of it. I'll be damned if I didn't see gang fights, thugs, dropouts, from all these kids who were wasting the advantages that were being given to them. I remember being a TA for the remedial classes which was comprised of 100% black kids who screwed up. I just wanted to shake them and be like "What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you realize the advantages you're being given that you're just wasting you dumbass?"

4/13/2007 2:05:08 PM

most kids of any race dont realize how good they have it

also most kids arent racist unless their parents or some other role models in their life teach them to be racist

4/13/2007 2:06:40 PM

^ you're kidding, right?

4/13/2007 2:07:39 PM

kidding about what

4/13/2007 2:09:47 PM

people are taught to be racist...

But I think the whole "racist" act of avoiding a thuggish looking black male isn't taught... it's instinct.


you said "most" so I'll shutup

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 2:11 PM. Reason : .]

4/13/2007 2:10:58 PM

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"also most kids arent racist unless their parents or some other role models in their life teach them to be racist"

I disagree. Most of the racism seen in young people today comes from the disconnect between what they are told to think and the reality around them.

Stereotypes are usually based on percieved reality. It's pretty easy to make stereotypes about races that hold true more often than not. Telling someone not to stereotype is telling them to ignore what they see around them. Kids frequently rebel against this and form their own conclusions.

4/13/2007 2:13:49 PM

maybe i should clarify, i'm talking about kids, like 10 year olds

i never felt any slight bit of inherent threat from a kid of another race in elementary school for example

i'm not talking about like 17 year old kids

in my elementary school for example, there were white guys, white girls, black guys, black girls, and maybe a couple asians or latinos...it just seemed normal

4/13/2007 2:21:57 PM

Because 10 year old black kids in my day weren't hoodlums.

I wasn't afraid of them either. High school? Different story.

4/13/2007 2:23:03 PM

well thats why i clarified the age of the kids

4/13/2007 2:23:23 PM

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" It's pretty easy to make stereotypes about races that hold true more often than not"

Like what?

4/13/2007 2:42:08 PM

People today are judged by their character and their clothes, but not by their skin imo. Maybe I just had too many black friends who did not act like thugs at all.

4/13/2007 2:45:48 PM

what is the science of the actual difference between races?

4/13/2007 2:47:55 PM

^ Slavery, Jim Crow laws, and economics.

4/13/2007 2:49:38 PM

^^^yeah seriously...do people feel more physically threatened by a black guy in a 3 piece business suit or a white guy in baggy jeans and a doo rag

4/13/2007 2:52:13 PM

I think white guys with doo rags are generally laughed at.

4/13/2007 2:54:21 PM

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"white people see the blackness, not the crime rates. "

They don't see the blackness, they see the image. Its the same image that got Julius Hodge shot even though he was not in any way trying to associate with "thug life" in Denver. People associate certain urban styles and images with a dangerous segment of the population (gangs and drug dealers). HipHop culture embraces this image because a good chunk of the music embraces the lifestyle (because it is a representation of the roots/past for some). Think of how many rappers have absolutely no experience with being a pimp, dealing drugs, or gang-banging yet still rep it. When others that aren't associated with the dangerous crowd express themselves with similar clothes, language, etc. then it is only naturally for people on the outside to parallel the nefarious attributes as well. If I wear a cowboy hat, big belt buckle, boots, drive an F350, and whistle Waylon Jennings tunes all day then people are going to assume I'm a redneck and attribute certain preconceptions about me. Its the same way people stereotype Christians as Bible-thumping, hard-core right-wingers that only care about offing homos and saving babies.

4/13/2007 2:57:40 PM

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"If I wear a cowboy hat, big belt buckle, boots, drive an F350, and whistle Waylon Jennings tunes all day then people are going to assume I'm a redneck and attribute certain preconceptions about me. "

If you actually dress like that then it's very likely you are a big redneck. Conversely, many if not most young black males dress "thug" casually, but most of them are not actually thugs if you talk to them.

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"HipHop culture embraces this image because a good chunk of the music embraces the lifestyle (because it is a representation of the roots/past for some)."

I don't think it's embraced because it's a representation of the past.

4/13/2007 3:03:04 PM

lol this thread is like walking into a west virginia bar and saying coal miners don't exist

4/13/2007 3:03:04 PM

^^^ that was my quote you used, and you're right. they do see the image. it just doesn't feel like they're thinking, "ok, let's see. a lot of crime comes from poorer parts of town, and a lot of poor people are black, so it seems to follow that there would be plenty of black criminals." i think the connections have been blurred and people think black=criminal.

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 3:06 PM. Reason : arrows]

4/13/2007 3:05:22 PM

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"If you actually dress like that then it's very likely you are a big redneck. "

So only rednecks can run a horse ranch? What I described is probably more common in the regions of Canada where my Dad's family lives than it is in North Carolina... and they are from the stereotype you would think they are.

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"Conversely, many if not most young black males dress "thug" casually, but most of them are not actually thugs if you talk to them."

True, they aren't thugs but are they not still trying to portray that same image of "thug" life?

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"I don't think it's embraced because it's a representation of the past."

Yeah, I didn't like the wording when I wrote it... what I meant is that its a part of their community and even their past... its not that they embrace it in a glorifying way but acknowledge that it is what surrounds their environment. At least, that is what the rappers say when they talk about it.

4/13/2007 3:22:01 PM

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"To the people who said to look at TWW, I see people make racist remarks on here all the time but to me it seems to be purely for shock value "OMG I SAID N*GGERS LOL!!!" And I don't see anyone who seems to be genuinely thinking that they hate Black people."

Some of it may be for shock value but a lot of them probably think it when dealing with black people IRL. And it's well past the point where shock value is the main reason. It's become really predictable.

thread about a crime--->racist comments
thread involving a black/mexican person---->racist comments

And it's the same BS over and over. For the most part, I don't even see other black users responding to most of this shit because it's tired and we'd only add fuel to the fire.

4/13/2007 3:26:39 PM

lmao theres now way to dress like a "thug". A thug could wear a suit, dress or anything. A thug is probably more likely to wear very expensive clothes so that point is pretty retarded.

4/13/2007 3:28:45 PM

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"that was my quote you used, and you're right. they do see the image. it just doesn't feel like they're thinking, "ok, let's see. a lot of crime comes from poorer parts of town, and a lot of poor people are black, so it seems to follow that there would be plenty of black criminals." i think the connections have been blurred and people think black=criminal."

I disagree completely. Its like TreeTwista said, if you see a white, hispanic, or asian dressed up like a thug you associate thug attributes to him. People associate destructive/defiant attributes to punk style too. There is a distinct difference between having an urban style and looking like a thug... just like there is a difference between the way looks of George Strait and Larry the Cable Guy.

4/13/2007 3:29:35 PM

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"So only rednecks can run a horse ranch? What I described is probably more common in the regions of Canada where my Dad's family lives than it is in North Carolina... and they are from the stereotype you would think they are. "

I know people (well, one person...) too who dress like that and aren't rednecks. But around here in NC at least, it's better than 50% chance they are a redneck. I could see it being less certain in other parts of the country though.

4/13/2007 3:35:45 PM

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"lmao theres now way to dress like a "thug". A thug could wear a suit, dress or anything. A thug is probably more likely to wear very expensive clothes so that point is pretty retarded."

First off, its not just dress that makes your image... attitude, demeanor, and association play just as much of a factor when making your image. No one said that gangsters and thugs have to fit a specific image, the point is that they generally do have similar characterizations. Julius Hodge got shot because the outfit he wore in the colors that he wore pissed of some gang-bangers in Denver so they lit up his car. Image is HUGE in that subculture... hell, it defines them in many cases. What stylistic image do hardcore rap artists that glorify the lifestyle portray in their videos and music? I thought Trick Daddy did a pretty fair job of describing what he felt defined a thug. There is a thug image that people yearn to replicate. When people, who don't necessarily act like a thug, try to maintain that image of a thug it is only logical for people to ascribe those attributes to them... its a logical assumption.

4/13/2007 3:50:27 PM

I wish you fuckers would stop calling people "rednecks." We gotta stop pretending like having an education and avoiding manual labor that takes place otuside somehow cures people of being racist, and everybody else who gets a sunburn is backwards and racist.

That's good, valuable work, and they get shat on just cause they can't list a couple of Hemingway works or define Zeitgeist. It's fucked up, B.

4/14/2007 10:10:43 PM

I use redneck to mean an anti-intellectual white person. It has nothing to do with if they work out in the sun or what.

4/15/2007 12:58:34 AM

^I said "nigger" to mean a black person who rapes people and kills children. It has nothing to do with people whose ancestors were enslaved in the US.

4/15/2007 1:02:36 AM

^^ Redneck is a racial slur for white people. If it's going to be wrong on here to say nigger, than it is just as wrong to say redneck. Don't do it.

4/15/2007 11:49:25 AM

This thread just baffles me.

4/15/2007 11:50:22 AM

I'm just for equality, Jon!

4/15/2007 11:51:48 AM

4/15/2007 11:56:41 AM

What about those people who have bumper stickers that say "i'm redneck and i'm proud"?

I don't see any blacks with bumper stickers that say "i'm a nigger and i'm proud".

Redneck is a slur, but not in the same category as nigger.

[Edited on April 15, 2007 at 12:48 PM. Reason : http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Redneck&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8]

4/15/2007 12:47:54 PM

so if a gang or rapper starts wearing suits nobody better not where a suit or they will be labeled as a thug!!!

4/15/2007 1:32:26 PM

^^ Just because it's a more socially acceptable word doesn't make it okay. The bumper sticker analogy is the same as Black poeple calling each other "nigga" colloquially.

You hear people saying "that's gay" and "faggot" all the time but it never gets the same backlash as slurs against Blacks. Why is that? How is that fair to Gay people? What about all the Gay jokes that happen in movies, tv, that are just "okay" to heterosexual people? Blades of Glory is a good example.

If you are against people using slurs then you should be against people using all slurs, that includes niggers, kikes, spics, chinks, fags, AND rednecks.

[Edited on April 15, 2007 at 2:25 PM. Reason : TWELVE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAND]

4/15/2007 2:23:27 PM

Whites calling blacks "nigger" alludes back to slavery. Blacks don't like whites implying that they still dominate them (which is why they also don't like whites calling them "boy", "monkey" etc. It's not just nigger. It's anything that smacks of slavery).

People calling each other redneck doesn't allude back to anything. Last I checked, there was no gay trade the same way there was a slave trade.

You can't gloss over the difference in degree.

[Edited on April 15, 2007 at 2:36 PM. Reason : sdf]

4/15/2007 2:35:12 PM

^It's still derogatory. Someone calling me a redneck is saying I'm an inbred poor idiot. Someone calling me a faggot is derogatory just because it means they're a bigot for doing it.

I know that the words aren't as bad right now according to society. What I'm saying is that they should be.

Even though "shit" is not as bad as "fuck" it still gets bleeped on television.

4/15/2007 2:40:24 PM

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"It's anything that smacks of slavery"

LOL, I guess I can't say "OWWWWWWWNED" when I frag a Black opponent when I game on my Xbox now

4/15/2007 2:41:23 PM

This thread has killed me.

Seriously, this thread has up and fucking killed me.

4/15/2007 2:51:32 PM

when I still hear people throw around the term nigger, I would say it exists.

4/15/2007 3:00:31 PM

^Racist.

4/15/2007 4:13:43 PM

I love how people imply being black is similar to being gay.

4/15/2007 4:15:19 PM

I just don't like the word redneck. I apologize if I offended anybody by comparing it to the word nigger.

It's just really lame to resort to labels like redneck or hick or hillbilly or bumpkin.

If I want to refer to a poor, poorly educated black person, that's just how I put it. And that's how it should be for everybody.

4/15/2007 4:27:49 PM

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"^It's still derogatory. Someone calling me a redneck is saying I'm an inbred poor idiot. Someone calling me a faggot is derogatory just because it means they're a bigot for doing it."

Of course they are derogatory. No one claimed they weren't.

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"I know that the words aren't as bad right now according to society. What I'm saying is that they should be."

Some ephemeral notion of what society thinks has nothing to do with it.

It has to do with the REAL fact that whites owned blacks for several generations and legally treated blacks as a second class until recently (within a generation). Blacks and whites are still wary of the recent past.

You are repeating the same false argument over and over. Just because the words share some properties (being derogatory) doesn't mean they share all properties (historical implication). Hence, people rightfully react to the words differently.

Blacks don't want whites to stop saying nigger because its derogatory. They'd have to campaign against thousands of words if derogatory was the only standard. They want them to stop saying nigger because its racist.

[Edited on April 15, 2007 at 4:38 PM. Reason : ';';]

4/15/2007 4:35:46 PM

^I'm just trying to point out the double-standard people apply. People seem to be alright by saying that stuff is "really gay" or calling people "faggot." I bet tons of Black people do this as well. How can they be alright with throwing slurs around towards one group when they themselves would get offended if people threw around slurs towards them?

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"They want them to stop saying nigger because its racist."

Yeah and I want people to stop saying redneck because it's racist. And that also goes for cracker, saltine, ghost, whatever.

Oh and while you're at it, stop saying faggot and saying that stuff is "gay" when you mean that it sucks. I don't say "Man that is really black" when I mean that something is bad, do I?

Oh and while you're at it, stop making humor in situations that poke fun at being gay in mainstream media. Flamingly gay types in shows for comedy is the same as putting a jive talking minstrel.

And to the person who said I shouldn't be comparing the two groups, why the hell not? They are both groups that claim that they are being treated poorly by the rest of society...

[Edited on April 15, 2007 at 4:42 PM. Reason : ]

4/15/2007 4:37:53 PM

^y tu quoque does not make their argument any less valid. You're appealing to logical fallacy.


Besides, I bet gays will get their day. Blacks had to struggle for hundreds of years to get nigger off the table.

Yeah, I remember all the great struggles whites had to fight or gays had to fight only to have people still calling them rednecks or faggots. Oh wait

[Edited on April 15, 2007 at 4:48 PM. Reason : dfsd]

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