Abort page 2 plz.

5/3/2007 11:24:24 PM

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"I find it laughable that we always talk about women's rights but never women's responsibilities."

It's not a woman's responsibility to rear a child.

5/3/2007 11:30:21 PM

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"i don't think many sweat the possibility of getting pregnant when they know abortion is an option."

I've known some girls who've had an abortion, and trust me, they do sweat that possibility. An abortion is not fun for anybody.

5/4/2007 12:04:53 AM

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"it is a womans choice not a man's, not a country's, not a religion She should be able to decide what is right for her and the fetus inside her. "

Yeah, bullshit. Last time I checked, that was my DNA in there also. You want to abort it, you'll be losing a baby and me. You have to carry it for 9 months. *Most* of the time I have to work my ass off paying for it for 20 years (granted it's been a couple of years since I researched it but more women stay home and men tend to work more hours). I think we're even. When the state starts issuing a title for the thing living inside you, we can discuss who "owns" it.

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"What about those incapable of "dealing with the consequences"?"

And who would that be exactly? Pretty much every major city in the U.S. has adoption agencies. There are barren parents wishing to adopt and more than willing to pay the bills all over the nation. Last I checked, <100% of foster children committed suicide, are treated for depression, and wish they were never born. Something tells me that most of them would choose life over abortion in their case. Being "incapable of dealing with the consequences" is another BS of you not feeling like dealing with the consequences of your actions.

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"I guess women should think about these things before getting raped! It's so irresponsible of them to get pregnant that way and then want an abortion!"

Funny. You know that's bullshit. The majority of violent rapes do not result in ejaculation as it is primarily a power trip rather than a sexual experience for the raper. Add in the females (and we all know they exist) who get drunk and will fuck a monkey and then feel bad later so claim rape (especially if it means that they'll feel better since the doctor won't think they're a stupid slut that didn't use b/c). Then look at the number of abortions performed this year. Quite a minority are due to true rapes. For those women, yes, it's a traumatic experience and studies have shown that carrying a rape baby can lead to higher rates of depression and suicide. I wouldn't be as opposed to that. At the same time, there's a LOT of rape babies out there that have been nothing but a complete blessing to their mothers. While I wouldn't agree with the choice, it would at least be halfway warranted.

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"thousands of living children starve to death daily"

Yep, just saw a story about 57 children dying last month in Raleigh alone!!! This isn't Africa. We aren't dealing with Africa's laws. How about being *slightly* more on point with your arguments. Last I checked, there weren't a bunch of American kids dying of starvation. Regardless, why don't you travel to Africa, China, and wherever else you feel this is a problem and ask the children if they'd like you to put a bullet in their head and end their suffering. Again, something tells me they'd choose life over abortion.

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"I really don't think women are getting pregnant specifically to have an abortion, do you? "

Nope, but a bunch of them are being idiots and not using birth control along with their dumbass boyfriends. I'm sure you know at least one girl that's not on the pill and at least one guy that dislikes condoms and at least tries to get away with not using them. They get pregnant then sorry but fuck them. They did it, they deal with it.

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"Abortions aren't cheap. I'd wager more people spend the $5 for condoms than you think they do. "

And a lot of people say "fuck it" I haven't gotten pregnant yet.... Plus, it's a long damn walk to Planned Parenthood so we'll just be careful and pull out this time!

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"Of course it can ruin your life and be inconvenient. The highest abortion ratio in 2000 was among girls under 15 years old. Under 15! You think these girls are mature and rich enough to handle this situation? Are you out of your mind?"

Nope. And by that very statement they aren't responsible enough to be having sex either. If their parents are such failures that they can't explain sex, the consequences, and what "safe sex" means then they can deal with it. If your child runs rampant and destroys half the neighborhood, you have to pay for it. If your kid gets pregnant or gets someone pregnant, you should have to take care of it and pay for it.

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"It's not a woman's responsibility to rear a child. "

Nope, it's her responsiblity to be a fucking adult and deal with her actions. It's also her responsiblity to be a human and stop thinking of the child that she shares with her boyfriend/husband/significant other/bob down the hall as *HER PROPERTY*




Seriously, when I was a kid there was a popular saying that was thrown around a lot. "You do the crime, you do the time." I still hear it occasionally but not as often. I'm curious about something though. All of you people that think it's a woman's "right" to choose to kill her baby, do you also feel that it's ok for a person to steal? What if they steal a few steaks from the grocery store because they're hungry? What about if they steal a car to go visit their sick sister? Should they go to jail? In other words, should they be HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS? If so, then why shouldn't you? If you are not raped, your life is not in danger, and there are no problems that can be found with the baby, WHY SHOULD YOU BE ALLOWED TO ABORT IT? That's a question that no pro-choice person has ever been to answer with anything remotely intelligent. Seriously, you might be inconvenienced? What's your excuse other than you're irresponsible, lazy, or a selfish asshole? Tell you what, send me your address so that I know where to go and pick up a car one day if mine breaks down. Obviously if I steal your car so that I won't be inconvenienced, it's ok, right?

5/4/2007 2:25:04 AM

^ When you get home from work, after breaking the speed limit, do you put yourself in time out?

5/4/2007 6:44:53 AM

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"Wouldn't it be awesome to grow up knowing that your parents would have aborted you if not for a law. How can that not work out for the best "

Wouldn't it be awesome to grow up knowing that your parents aborted you. Oh, wait.

[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 7:31 AM. Reason : -]

5/4/2007 7:30:49 AM

one less mouth to feed

5/4/2007 8:07:11 AM

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"If their parents are such failures that they can't explain sex, the consequences, and what "safe sex" means then they can deal with it."

But that'll just be another young "dumb" woman with a baby, and that baby will probably go down the same path.

Where do you draw the line between acceptable birth control and "murder"? That's the question that this all comes down to.

5/4/2007 9:21:03 AM

Ahahahahaha, it's great to see all the pro-life ppl come out in this thread. Don't see so much of them in the soap box. Understandable reasons I'm sure.



I'm sure it's different for them b/c their catholic, but god damn, I would get on a ship, have the abortion elsewhere, and send the dead fetus to the court. Motherfucking righteous religious bigots trying to shove their views on life down our throats. Live your own goddam lives.

[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 10:45 AM. Reason : ]

5/4/2007 10:44:45 AM

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"I find it laughable that we always talk about women's rights but never women's responsibilities."

aha, true


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[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 10:47 AM. Reason : exactly how is this a hard thing to understand?]

5/4/2007 10:45:37 AM

Like the responsibility to not have a child that no one plans on decently caring for?

5/4/2007 10:47:59 AM

I'm catholic and pro-choice

5/4/2007 10:49:53 AM

FAIL

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"Like the responsibility to not have a child that no one plans on decently caring for?"

YES, WHICH IS WHY PEOPLE ARE WILLING "BUY" CHILDREN/BABIES SO THEY CAN HAVE ONE OF THEIR OWN..... SO OBVIOUSLY NO ONE WANTS TO CARE FOR THEM....

i challenge a pro-choicer to put up one valid point that would apply to at least 50% of abortions supporting it...

so that rules out - health, fitness, and rape

[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 10:53 AM. Reason : s]

5/4/2007 10:50:46 AM

I hope to God you never reproduce

5/4/2007 10:53:38 AM

why b/c I don't agree that you should kill someone out of convenience / laziness / irresponsibility?

i just love tearing into folks with little to support their arguments.

but by all means, lump me in with the overly religious fanatics, go right ahead...

[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 10:56 AM. Reason : s]

5/4/2007 10:54:47 AM

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"Motherfucking righteous religious bigots trying to shove their views on life down our throats. "

Not all pro-lifers are religious. Not all pro-lifers believe in a god. Not all pro-lifers base their pro-life beliefs on a religious doctrine. Saying what you said does a disservice to those of us who base our pro-lifeness on the doctrine of human rights rather than religion.

5/4/2007 10:56:52 AM

^thank you

5/4/2007 10:57:31 AM

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"Where do you draw the line between acceptable birth control and "murder"? That's the question that this all comes down to."

5/4/2007 10:57:50 AM

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"I hope to God you never reproduce"

because somehow, my unwillingness to unilaterally agree with you about this somehow makes me unfit as a parent?

5/4/2007 10:59:03 AM

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"Where do you draw the line between acceptable birth control and "murder"? That's the question that this all comes down to."

preventative action vs punitive action

5/4/2007 10:59:32 AM

So basically once there's a zygote you are against taking action against it?

5/4/2007 11:01:54 AM

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"why b/c I don't agree that you should kill someone out of convenience / laziness / irresponsibility?"

I don't think that the "kill" part is a big issue since it's a chunk of flesh dumber than my cat, so there's our difference.

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"Not all pro-lifers are religious. Not all pro-lifers believe in a god. Not all pro-lifers base their pro-life beliefs on a religious doctrine. Saying what you said does a disservice to those of us who base our pro-lifeness on the doctrine of human rights rather than religion."

WHO the fucking hell do you think i was talking about? Plz to explain how the Irish court that ordered the subject of this article to stay in the country did so on rational principals as opposed to being Catholic.

I don't disagree, but I was talking about something in specific, you're arguing in generalities in order to avoid the point and make yourself look good.

5/4/2007 11:04:04 AM

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"I don't think that the "kill" part is a big issue since it's a chunk of flesh dumber than my cat, so there's our difference."

there are plenty of mentally retarded folks that are pretty dumb, why not kill them too?......the "kill" issue is a big part of it.

5/4/2007 11:06:24 AM

I think the morning after-pill or something similar to it, (week or less since conception) would be a adequate window of action.

technically Catholics do not support birth control in any form for the purpose of preventing conception through intercourse.

of course the vast majority of us don't care to follow this as it's not practical

no offense XCchik but that's a pretty typical knee-jerk response of most ignorant pro-murder folks, you should know better. I'm not saying you shouldn't reproduce b/c you believe in indiscriminate murder of innocents am I?

[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 11:18 AM. Reason : s]

5/4/2007 11:14:14 AM

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"WHO the fucking hell do you think i was talking about? Plz to explain how the Irish court that ordered the subject of this article to stay in the country did so on rational principals as opposed to being Catholic. I don't disagree, but I was talking about something in specific, you're arguing in generalities in order to avoid the point and make yourself look good."

To be fair, you said "bigots trying to shove their views on life down our throats" - unless you're in Ireland, I read your use of the word "our" to mean that you were making this statement against people that you felt were affecting you directly, i.e. people in America and since there wasn't anything else *specific* to (what I interpreted to be) your statement about religion affecting you in America, I could only read it to be a general statement expressing the idea that pro-lifers are religious in America. Do you see how I would be confused by this? Further, if you understand that I read your statement to mean a general "pro-lifers are religious" statement, I hope you understand my urge to correct this assumption that pro-lifers are religious. When religion is brought into the debate, the debate always breaks down and so I like to try to keep that idea in check when debating abortion. You'll note that in this same thread I've said similar things to pro-lifers who have brought religion into the debate; I'm not just singling you out nor am I trying to "make myself look good;" I'm merely trying to keep the debate rooted in the secular, real world.

Of course, if you *are* in Ireland, you have my sincerest apologies for misunderstanding you.

Also, which point am I avoiding? Please do let me know so that I can address it appropriately for you or point out where I may have already addressed said point.

5/4/2007 11:32:12 AM

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" there are plenty of mentally retarded folks that are pretty dumb, why not kill them too?"

there are fetal tests that can be conducted to see if your child is at high risk for developing numerous disabilities, mental defects being a part of them.

some people choose to terminate the pregnancy. I can understand not wanting to bring a person in the world that will have (there's no getting around it) a low quality of life.

5/4/2007 11:41:58 AM

that at least makes some sense...

5/4/2007 11:51:38 AM

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"some people choose to terminate the pregnancy. I can understand not wanting to bring a person in the world that will have (there's no getting around it) a low quality of life."

I have met several "metally retarded" people who enjoy life no less than I do....to me that's saying a person doesn't even deserve a chance.

5/4/2007 12:01:29 PM

one less mouth to feed

5/4/2007 12:39:08 PM

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"Last time I checked, that was my DNA in there also"

But sperm doesn't carry as much of the stuff needed for life as eggs do. So much so that they've made mammals without male DNA at all (Kaguya the mouse). That said, just because you contributed some DNA, you don't have equal legal rights over what happens to the kid. Say what you want, but it is her body and she's likely going to do what she feels is right. If she "loses you" over not ruining her life, so be it. Any man who would manipulate a woman into feeling it's not her choice is not someone she should probably be with, anyway.

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"Yep, just saw a story about 57 children dying last month in Raleigh alone!!! This isn't Africa. We aren't dealing with Africa's laws. How about being *slightly* more on point with your arguments. Last I checked, there weren't a bunch of American kids dying of starvation. Regardless, why don't you travel to Africa, China, and wherever else you feel this is a problem and ask the children if they'd like you to put a bullet in their head and end their suffering. Again, something tells me they'd choose life over abortion."

No, not really. Suicide rates in South Africa have skyrocketed in recent years, for example.
http://www.sundaytribune.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2094551

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"Nope, it's her responsiblity to be a fucking adult and deal with her actions. It's also her responsiblity to be a human and stop thinking of the child that she shares with her boyfriend/husband/significant other/bob down the hall as *HER PROPERTY*"

Oh, and what if he doesn't take his sexual responsibility and leaves her ass? You think it's fair for her to have to take care of it alone? Your nonsense about everyone taking "responsibility" will never happen because it's a completely fabricated standard. In the end:

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"Where do you draw the line between acceptable birth control and "murder"? That's the question that this all comes down to."

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"All of you people that think it's a woman's "right" to choose to kill her baby, do you also feel that it's ok for a person to steal? What if they steal a few steaks from the grocery store because they're hungry? What about if they steal a car to go visit their sick sister? Should they go to jail? In other words, should they be HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS? If so, then why shouldn't you? If you are not raped, your life is not in danger, and there are no problems that can be found with the baby, WHY SHOULD YOU BE ALLOWED TO ABORT IT? That's a question that no pro-choice person has ever been to answer with anything remotely intelligent."

Not even close to the same thing. Aside from which: stealing is illegal, abortions are not. And as noted before, there are plenty of reasons to get abortions. Sure, it can just be inconvenience. It can be money problems. It can be relationship problems. In the end, you have no say in why women should or should not get abortions. As pissy as you are about this, abortions aren't going away and I doubt they ever will. So I suppose you should take your rants to the Soap Box.

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"When you get home from work, after breaking the speed limit, do you put yourself in time out?"

hahahahahaha, zing

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"i challenge a pro-choicer to put up one valid point that would apply to at least 50% of abortions supporting it."

Okay. I get pregnant, I have an abortion. It's within my legal rights 100% of the time, regardless of whether you think it's "murder" or not.

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"some people choose to terminate the pregnancy. I can understand not wanting to bring a person in the world that will have (there's no getting around it) a low quality of life."

signed

5/4/2007 1:37:20 PM

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"Your nonsense about everyone taking "responsibility" will never happen because it's a completely fabricated standard. In the end"

that is the shittiest, most spineless statement I've heard in a while.....people shouldn't take responsibility for their actions? What a joke.

5/4/2007 1:41:41 PM

I didn't say that.

But the idea of "responsibility" is built on what you think a person should do in a situation. You guys apparently don't see any other option but to carry the baby to term (which is not the only responsible choice in several situations). That's up to your own individual morality: you cannot force it on anyone else.

[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 1:46 PM. Reason : .]

5/4/2007 1:43:32 PM

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"But the idea of "responsibility" is built on what you think a person should do in a situation. You guys apparently don't see any other option but to carry the baby to term"

no, the ideal situation would be not to get, or get someone pregnant if you don't want a baby.....responsibility.

5/4/2007 1:46:11 PM

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"Arab13: I think the morning after-pill or something similar to it, (week or less since conception) would be a adequate window of action. technically Catholics do not support birth control in any form for the purpose of preventing conception through intercourse. of course the vast majority of us don't care to follow this as it's not practical"

BABY KILLER!


No, seriously, you just lost. You can't concede one inch, even in the name of practicality.

Cause I can say that three months is an adequate window. That's what is practical to me.

And now we're stuck.

5/4/2007 1:47:21 PM

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"no, the ideal situation would be not to get, or get someone pregnant if you don't want a baby.....responsibility."

Of course that's ideal.

but you then seem to think that getting pregnant by accident means that you have to carry a baby to term in order to be seen as "responsible"

which is only your opinion and won't change my mind and convince me that I'm somehow supportive of "murderers"

5/4/2007 1:49:32 PM

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"but you then seem to think that getting pregnant by accident means that you have to carry a baby to term in order to be seen as "responsible" "

pretty much, consequences to your actions.....they are present in every other facet of life. Problems don't go away just because you're sorry, or you didn't intend for it to turn out the way it did.

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"which is only your opinion and won't change my mind and convince me that I'm somehow supportive of "murderers"

not trying to, but it seems like that's in the back of your head anyway.

[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 1:54 PM. Reason : .]

5/4/2007 1:53:17 PM

I have an idea

people should have to obtain a license to reproduce... Like a marriage license and go through counseling and fill out an application before contributing to the human race. Even go before a panel and prove that they are financially stable and will raise a child to become a productive member of society.

we could insert all women with IUDs at birth or make everyone temporarily sterile and the process is only reversable once the couple has been approved that they are fit to have children.

That would cut down on over-population, starving/unwanted children, crack babies, FAS babies, a lot of birth defects caused by improper pre-natal care, and a bunch of problems. Not to mention this conversation would never have to happen again.







I can't wait to be a mother

[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 2:01 PM. Reason : relax people]

5/4/2007 2:00:51 PM

I love people who use the issue of abortion to push their opinions on responsibility.

Like, they don't even care about babies or life. It's just all about the CONSEQUENCES!!!

THERE MUST BE CONSEQUENCES! PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! STUPID WHORES!

5/4/2007 2:01:40 PM

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"Problems don't go away just because you're sorry, or you didn't intend for it to turn out the way it did."

Of course they can. You say something mean to a friend, you apologize and it's done with. You can't honestly think that everyone gets exactly what they deserve based on their actions 100% of the time.

Abortion may just be a way to navigate the problem of pregnancy and "immoral" for you, but nobody said you that you ever had to get one. I'm worried that if we outlaw it, women will have unsafe illegal abortions: that's a much worse situation.

5/4/2007 2:02:56 PM

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"I'm worried that if we outlaw it, women will have unsafe illegal abortions: that's a much worse situation"

I agree with that.

I wouldn't even have a huge problem with abortions if there wasn't such a widespread use of it as birth control. I see that part of it as a larger societal problem....i'm amazed that actively killing your own seed has become such a widespread whimsical practice.

5/4/2007 2:12:46 PM

TWW: Where Opinions Matter.

5/4/2007 2:26:14 PM

they matter here only slightly less than they matter in the real world.

5/4/2007 2:28:19 PM

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" But sperm doesn't carry as much of the stuff needed for life as eggs do. So much so that they've made mammals without male DNA at all (Kaguya the mouse). That said, just because you contributed some DNA, you don't have equal legal rights over what happens to the kid. Say what you want, but it is her body and she's likely going to do what she feels is right. If she "loses you" over not ruining her life, so be it. Any man who would manipulate a woman into feeling it's not her choice is not someone she should probably be with, anyway. "

Good argument. I guess that means that I have no responsibility to care for a child since it is never mine? You know, the part where I "don't have equal legal rights".... Last time I checked, I do after birth. But I suppose before that, it's your problem? Cool, so I don't need to pay my share of the costs? I don't need to help her in any way? And any woman that would choose to abort her baby because it's inconvenient is one that probably shouldn't be in a relationship in the first place. Any woman that refuses to give a shit about her mate's moral opinions is also a bitch. Seriously, what would you do if your husband came home with a brand new car that he didn't tell you about? Would you care? Of course you would. The purchase of an object will probably bug the shit out of you yet you think that he has no right in the decision to end his baby's life. Good one. It's a good thing that nobody used logic when pro-choice was passed.

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" No, not really. Suicide rates in South Africa have skyrocketed in recent years, for example. http://www.sundaytribune.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2094551 "

It's skyrocketed? Great. So 100%? No? Shit, which ones do we kill then? I guess you're right though, we should just kill them all since SOME of them are suicidal and depressed.

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" Oh, and what if he doesn't take his sexual responsibility and leaves her ass? You think it's fair for her to have to take care of it alone? Your nonsense about everyone taking "responsibility" will never happen because it's a completely fabricated standard. In the end: Quote : "Where do you draw the line between acceptable birth control and "murder"? That's the question that this all comes down to." "

Both of them have the responsibility to take care of the child OR FIND OTHER MEANS. I like how you're ignoring those so far. If I have a child and my spouse dies, does that mean my responsiblity ends? I just leave the kid at the store and go on about my life? And you're right, my "nonsense" about responsiblity is exactly that. As long as there are people like you arguing that it's unacceptable to expect it, there will never be responsibility. So let's all just say "fuck it" and let people do whatever they want.

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" Not even close to the same thing. Aside from which: stealing is illegal, abortions are not. And as noted before, there are plenty of reasons to get abortions. Sure, it can just be inconvenience. It can be money problems. It can be relationship problems. In the end, you have no say in why women should or should not get abortions. As pissy as you are about this, abortions aren't going away and I doubt they ever will. So I suppose you should take your rants to the Soap Box. "

Good try, so abortion is ok because it is legal? So if it becomes illegal, you won't support it? Then I suppose that you support the Irish decision? Admit it, you have NO reasons why abortion should be morally supported, ESPECIALLY over the alternatives. Last time I checked, both stealing and murder are illegal. You feel that abortion is ok because it is "legal murder". So if we pass bills saying that stealing is legal in cases of need, you're going to support it? That's basically what your argument boils down to. Perhaps you should figure out exactly why support pro-life because you don't seem to have any compelling reasons other than "it's legal."

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" Quote : "When you get home from work, after breaking the speed limit, do you put yourself in time out?" hahahahahaha, zing "

Yeah, that was good. You really got me. No, what it means is that I take responsibility for my actions. If I break the speed limit and get pulled over, I take the ticket. It's not the cops fault that I broke the law. I guess you're one of those people that gets on here and bitches about the cop being an asshole because you got a ticket and you have the right to do whatever you want? Figures.

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" Okay. I get pregnant, I have an abortion. It's within my legal rights 100% of the time, regardless of whether you think it's "murder" or not. "

Cool, so you have no reasons. I suppose I shouldn't expect too much. After all, you don't expect people to be held responsible for their actions and probably feel that you deserve to be able to do whatever you want. Let's throw morals out of this and just start going by the letter of the law. I'm sure the world will be a much better place then.


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"some people choose to terminate the pregnancy. I can understand not wanting to bring a person in the world that will have (there's no getting around it) a low quality of life."


signed
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Where did you guys get your crystal ball? I really want to know what my own life is going to be like also. You obviously know the future state of someone's life so I'm assuming that's how you figure it out? Or do we just guess? That seems really sane. I'm sure that all of the disabled people in the world would be very happy to hear that they are leading a low quality life and that you'd be more than happy to put them out of their misery. I know everytime I see someone with Downs I can't help but say to myself "Damn, look how sad that poor person is."

5/4/2007 2:43:57 PM

FYI UK = United Kingdom = Ireland

I think you mean she wants to escape to Britain.

5/4/2007 3:21:47 PM

No, NORTHERN Ireland is part of the UK, Ireland is not. Ireland is it's own Republic, separate from the UK. So, it depends on if she's in N. Ireland or Ireland.

5/4/2007 3:28:30 PM

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"wlb420: I agree with that. I wouldn't even have a huge problem with abortions if there wasn't such a widespread use of it as birth control. I see that part of it as a larger societal problem....i'm amazed that actively killing your own seed has become such a widespread whimsical practice."

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"BridgetSPK: I love people who use the issue of abortion to push their opinions on responsibility. Like, they don't even care about babies or life. It's just all about the CONSEQUENCES!!! THERE MUST BE CONSEQUENCES! PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! STUPID WHORES!"

5/4/2007 3:33:36 PM

It's sad that this child will never have a chance at life due to its defect. That sort of thing can traumatize a would-be mother.

However, using something like this to defend the majority of abortions out there is just intellectually disingenuous.

I know this is difficult to understand but if you are going to have sex with someone then you should be able to see yourself raising a child with that person. Sex is something to be enjoyed but then again so is being a parent.


See y'all when you grow up.

5/4/2007 3:38:03 PM

... and thus the negatives of technological advances (i.e. being able to see inside da belly).

5/4/2007 3:48:33 PM

It is a double-edged sword.

Your child has the best possible chance for survival in this country compared to anywhere else in the world. The data gets screwed because of all of the crackbabies and infants that we try to save that other countries wouldn't even touch.

The case of this Irish girl is tragic. But that is life. Bad things sometimes happen to good people. Whether or not she should be allowed to have an abortion because the baby wouldn't be able to live is something that I don't care about.

But for all you idiots trying to jump on this as a great example of why abortion laws should be lax...well....you are idiots.

5/4/2007 4:04:02 PM

Quote :

""i challenge a pro-choicer to put up one valid point that would apply to at least 50% of abortions supporting it." Okay. I get pregnant, I have an abortion. It's within my legal rights 100% of the time, regardless of whether you think it's "murder" or not."

except you didn't put up a valid reason/point.... other than 'IT'S LEGAL, I DO WHAT I WANT'
you can't seriously think you legitimately answered that...

5/4/2007 4:08:42 PM