i'd just like to see kidd go there and put up nash-like numbers so people could praise him as the next jesus christ

5/3/2007 5:59:21 PM

If that person is not an ELITE VETERAN, it will be futile. (see Marbury).

[Edited on May 3, 2007 at 6:01 PM. Reason : My Facts are 100% proven]

5/3/2007 6:00:22 PM

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"No one on the entire board thinks you have an ounce of sports knowledge so just go back to your caricatures, at least those were humorous."

5/3/2007 6:02:27 PM

KG says "Get me the fuck out of Minnesota"

5/3/2007 6:04:37 PM

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"^^ You stupid faggot, when did Jordan or Shaq lead a team to anything without elite help?"

well Jordan was at least getting the bulls to the eastern conference finals before Pippen had developed

[Edited on May 3, 2007 at 9:15 PM. Reason : k]

5/3/2007 9:10:37 PM

^ Thankyou. Atleast someone has brains around here. My point exactly.

5/3/2007 9:14:53 PM

^^"developed"?

5/3/2007 9:18:50 PM

yeah, you know, before his nuts had hair on them.

5/3/2007 9:23:51 PM

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"In the summer of 1984 the team's fortunes changed when it received the third pick of the NBA draft, after Houston and Portland. The Rockets selected Hakeem Olajuwon and the Blazers jumped on Sam Bowie, the Bulls grabbed shooting guard Michael Jordan out of the University of North Carolina. Before the draft Michael Jordan was almost sure that he was going to the Philadelphia 76ers.[citation needed] The team, with new management in owner Jerry Reinsdorf and General Manager Jerry Krause, decided to rebuild around Jordan. Jordan set franchise records during his rookie campaign for scoring (3rd in the league) and steals (4th in the league), and led the Bulls back to the playoffs, for which he was rewarded with a berth on the All-NBA second team and NBA Rookie of the Year Award. In the offseason, the team acquired point guard John Paxson and drafted power forward Charles Oakley. Along with Jordan and center Dave Corzine, they provided much of the Bulls' offense for the next two years. After Jordan suffered a broken foot early in the season, the team also acquired NBA legend George Gervin to help with scoring, which he did, finishing second on the team to Woolridge in scoring. Jordan returned for the playoffs, and took the 8th-place Bulls up against the 67-15 Boston Celtics, led by Larry Bird. Though the Bulls were swept, Jordan recorded a playoff single-game record 63 points in Game 2, prompting Bird to call him 'God disguised as Michael Jordan.' In 1986-87 Jordan continued his assault on the record books, leading the league in scoring with 37.1 points per game and being the first Bull named to the all-NBA first team. However, the Bulls were again swept by the Celtics in the playoffs. In 1987-88 Krause selected center Olden Polynice 8th overall and power forward Horace Grant 10th overall in the NBA draft, then sent Polynice to Seattle in a draft-day trade for the 5th selection, small forward Scottie Pippen. With Paxson and Jordan in the backcourt, Brad Sellers and Oakley at the forward spots, Corzine anchoring center, and rookies Pippen and Grant coming off the bench, the Bulls made major noise, winning 50 games and advancing to the Eastern Conference semi-finals, where they were beaten by the eventual Eastern Conference Champion Detroit Pistons in five games. However, for his efforts Jordan was named NBA Most Valuable Player, the first of five such awards. The 1988-89 season marked a second straight year of major off-season moves. Popular power forward Charles Oakley, who had led the league in total rebounds in both '87 and '88, was traded to the New York Knicks for center Bill Cartwright and a draft pick which they used on center Will Perdue. The new starting lineup of Paxson, Jordan, Pippen, Grant, and Cartwright took some time to mesh, winning fewer games than the previous season, but making it all the way to the Eastern Conference Finals, where they were subdued in six games by the eventual NBA champion Pistons. In 1989-90, Jordan led the league in scoring for the fourth straight season, and was joined on the all-star squad for the first time by Scottie Pippen. There was also a major change on the sidelines, where Doug Collins was replaced by assistant Phil Jackson. The Bulls also picked up rookie center Stacey King and rookie point guard B.J. Armstrong in the 1989 draft. With these additional pieces and the previous year's starting five, the Bulls again made it to the Conference Finals, and pushed the Pistons to seven games before being edged out for the third straight year by Detroit."

Fuck you. You cant just make shit up.


1984-85 38 44 .463 Lost First Round Milwaukee 3, Chicago 1
1985-86 30 52 .366 Lost First Round Boston 3, Chicago 0
1986-87 40 42 .488 Lost First Round Boston 3, Chicago 0
1987-88 50 32 .610 Won First Round


[Edited on May 3, 2007 at 9:28 PM. Reason : a]

5/3/2007 9:27:32 PM

If the Sonics don't make that trade, the NBA in the 90's might have been completely different.

Payton, Pippen and Kemp could've been the team of the decade.

5/3/2007 9:34:29 PM

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"It is evident now that Kobe can't lead a team (or build/develope a team) like Jordan or Shaq could. So he has to have elite help, then he'll just take all the credit. But he cannot do it by himself. Fact. "

thats funny because nobody can or ever has. show me someone who won by themselves? jordan had an allstar, the best shooter, rebounder and defender in three other players on his team. perfect roles. Also, above average centers. And like i said, shaq had five guys on miami that had been all stars at some point and a slew of role players.

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"You bring talent to that team, and he'll continue to destroy them (see; Marbury). " What? What talent has Kobe destroyed. Please. You better not say Lamar Odom." "

Thats funny because #7 has had his best years ever when he was on the team with kobe. Same probably goes for kwame and the other lakers that have never found pt anywhere else. The "kobe doesn't make guys better thing is a myth. he had 9 assists the other night when nash had 23 but nobody noticed.

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"But someone elite, on his level or better, he'll have a chance. Too bad that only consist of about 10% of the NBA. Good luck on your futile search."

so there are ~45 players on kobe's level or better? and any of those 45 will make the lakers a contender? if that was the case it will be a simple search. you sir, are a FOOL

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" Not really. It's just evident that Kobe can't beat very good Western Conference teams by himself 4 out of 7 times. "

exactly. the suns are the 3rd best team in the nba on their worst night. who knows what the lakers would do if they were in the east. the suns would probably get through in 12.

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"But nash could do this with regular players. Proven Fact."

i'm the biggest nash fan and he probably could. but he hasn't. the suns are one of the most talented teams in the nba with or without nash. to put it in perspective the suns have had a tough time with just kobe on the lakers. i can't imagine imagine if there were others on his team or if the tables were turned and kobe was on the suns with amore marion barbosa bell thomas jones diaw

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"the Wizards, he led them to the playoffs...and they havent made the playoffs since he left"

more funny

do you guys even watch the nba?

5/3/2007 9:44:58 PM

^that last one was mine...you must have missed the sarcasm, it was fairly dry...that was in response to Earl saying Kobe is getting old and fizzling out unlike Shaq or Jordan (or anybody who gets older)...I was pointing out how Jordan fizzled out and how he did NOT make his teammates on the Wizards better

other than missing the sarcasm on that, good post

5/3/2007 9:55:59 PM

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"But if you think Pippen was elite you don't know very much about the NBA then. "

Future hall of famer, one of the 50 greatest players ever, 6 championships. I'd say that qualifies as elite.

5/3/2007 9:57:08 PM

^yeah AndyMac already posted some pretty convincing evidence about Pippen

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"the 1994 season marked Pippen's stepping out from Jordan's shadow and he performed as one of the best players in the league. That year, he earned All-Star Game MVP honors. He had perhaps his best season, leading the Bulls in scoring, assists, and the entire league in steals, averaging 22.0 points, 8.7 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 2.9 steals, 0.9 three-pointers, and 0.8 blocks per game, while shooting 49.1% from the field and a career-best 32% from the three-point line. For his efforts, he earned the first of three straight All-NBA First Team nods, and finished third in the MVP voting. The Bulls finished the season with 55 wins, only two less than their previous championship year with Jordan still on the team."

no 'above average' players get 3 straight all 1st team honors

5/3/2007 9:59:49 PM

Maybe I missed something but does KG even want out of Minnesota? I was always under the impression he was extremely happy there.

5/3/2007 10:40:09 PM

jordan also shot like 10-15% better than kobe while still averaging 30+

5/3/2007 10:44:23 PM

Garnett to the Bobcats?

They said that they wanted to spend money for next season, why not Garnett

5/3/2007 11:59:12 PM

I think garnett really likes playing for the t-wolves, but is very frusterated because they will not trade him some help in. If I were him, I'd try to get the hell out of there...he's done his time.

5/4/2007 6:33:43 AM

I cant get over some of the stupid shit said on page 1

so im not even going to offer my opinion on this

5/4/2007 8:15:28 AM

SORRY, I WAS LATE WITH THIS PICTURE

5/4/2007 3:36:32 PM

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"jordan had an allstar, the best shooter, rebounder and defender in three other players on his team. perfect roles. Also, above average centers."

it is amazing to me how often this is overlooked when talking about michael jordan.

[Edited on May 4, 2007 at 3:42 PM. Reason : although maybe i just like to downplay him b/c he went to unc.]

5/4/2007 3:42:02 PM

Look.

It's not difficult to figure out that Michael Jordan was a great player who just happened to be in his prime when ESPN was getting off the ground.


He's still a great player. The best of all time? I don't think so. But that's why we have these stupid forums to debate these things.

5/4/2007 3:44:18 PM

some of you seem to forget that while jordan was striking out in the minors scottie put that team on his back and made a deep playoff run

scottie was far better than just above average

5/4/2007 4:43:24 PM

I honestly thought that this was understood. Like-not arguable ^

5/4/2007 4:49:54 PM

MJ never had a winning season without Pippen

5/4/2007 4:52:29 PM

^^ that's what i thought too

some people though

5/4/2007 4:59:41 PM