2 pages of hate

5/17/2007 2:15:04 PM

I'm surprised SalsburyBoy hasn't brought up Aztlan yet... Those whacky people wanting their land back!

5/17/2007 2:18:41 PM

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"2 pages of hate"

OH NOOEESS!!! NOT THE SMEAR TERM "HATE"

Newsflash...hate can be a good thing. It matters what you hate...eg, it is good to hate that which is evil. But don't let that stop you from being a total establishment lemming and parrotting their smear terms/tactics.

As for hating people, God himself hates entire races of people...

God is a racist and anti-Semite
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=392028

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"Race is a very imortant subject throughout the Bible. Here are the facts: God chose one race of people, the Israelites, to be his special people above all other people. The Old Testament is full of references of how God hated entire races of people [eg, the Edomites (from whom the modern-day "Jews" descend), Canaanites, and others], and how he acted to destroy many of these people. God even ordered the Israelites to massacre all the foreign Canaanite peoples before settling in the promised land. God commanded racial segregation and forbid interracial marriage for the Israelites to maintain their racial purity."

[Edited on May 17, 2007 at 5:09 PM. Reason : 1]

5/17/2007 5:08:55 PM

so now your cut-and-pasting a former cut-and-paste job you did?

classic.

5/17/2007 5:10:24 PM

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"a former cut-and-paste job you did? "

The bullshit detector just exploded. A very large portion of my posts in that thread were my own words/thoughts.

But don't let that stop you from desperately trying to smear me by accusing me of "only copying and pasting."

Can you people attacking me get any more desperate and pathetic?




[Edited on May 17, 2007 at 5:15 PM. Reason : 1]

5/17/2007 5:15:08 PM

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"The recent housing boom would have been impossible were it not for the influx of immigrant labor. Your last statement showed a clear lack of understanding in regards to economics. Try reading a book sometime."

Address this you coward. You pathetic little slimy piece of shit coward.

5/17/2007 5:16:54 PM

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"The recent housing boom would have been impossible were it not for the influx of immigrant labor"

What an absolutely imbecilic statement. We couldn't build houses if we didn't have millions of illegal aliens? Complete bullshit. We built houses (and harvested crops, mowed lawns, etc) for hundreds of years prior to the 1980s/90s without massive levels of illegal immigrants, and we could certainly do it today. And construction jobs payed a lot better before the massive illegal alien invasion, and the subsequent driving down of wages in the construction industry. If illegals were not here, wages in construction would rise to around previous levels (demand for construction workers would go up as the supply of cheap labor fell), and there would be more than enough American citizens to fill those jobs.

But yeah, I'll play along and parrot the mindless establishment bogus argument in favor of unfettered illegal immigration...WE COULDN'T POSSIBLY SURVIVE WITHOUT MILLIONS OF PRECIOUS ILLEGALS!!



[Edited on May 17, 2007 at 5:52 PM. Reason : 2]

5/17/2007 5:30:52 PM

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"If illegals were not here, wages in construction would rise to around previous levels (demand for construction workers would go up as the supply of cheap labor fell), and there would be more than enough American citizens to fill those jobs."

Yea, and the cool thing is, that houses would be a shit ton more expensive, and the housing boom as we have it would have still occurred.

See what happens when you don't copy and paste? You look like a bigger fool than you really are (because after all, you do have have at least a little bit of a brain to copy and paste correctly).

5/17/2007 5:38:08 PM

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"But yeah, I'll play along and parrot the mindless establishment bogus argument in favor of unfettered illegal immigration...WE COULDN'T POSSILBY SURVIVE WITHOUT MILLIONS OF PRECIOUS ILLEGALS!!"

I wasn't aware this was the "mindless establishment bogus argument", I thought it was cold hard facts backed by numbers. But you don't know anything about that, right?

5/17/2007 5:39:00 PM

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"Yea, and the cool thing is, that houses would be a shit ton more expensive, and the housing boom as we have it would have still occurred. "

In case you missed it, the price of housing has skyrocketed at a virtually unprecented level over the past 5-7 years...during the same exact time period we have seen an absolute explosion in the levels of illegal immigration.

Granted, dirt cheap labor makes it less expensive for a contractor to build a house, but it's not like those builders are passing along the savings to consumers. Hell no. They're pocketing those savings as profit.

You must be a full-fledged moron if you think big corporations and businesses are passing the savings from dirt cheap labor on to consumers.

And the proof as to how the economy is REALLY doing is in the income/debt ratio for Americans. Americans are in more personal debt than almost any other point in U.S. history...ie, it is very hard for the average American to live and make ends meet at this time. Why? Because wages are stagnant or falling (thanks in large part to massive illegal immigration and the driving down of wages in many industries...including manufacturing and construction), while at the same time the prices of goods skyrocket due to massive inflation.



[Edited on May 17, 2007 at 6:03 PM. Reason : 3]

5/17/2007 5:58:35 PM

I don't know too much about economics, but you are making me look like Keynes.

5/17/2007 6:18:40 PM

hooksawburyboy appears to be winning page 2.

come on people. step up.

5/17/2007 7:24:49 PM

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"In case you missed it, the price of housing has skyrocketed at a virtually unprecented level over the past 5-7 years...during the same exact time period we have seen an absolute explosion in the levels of illegal immigration."

Are you trying to blame the housing bubble on illegal immigrants? Please provide proof of causation. I could just as easily blame the housing prices on the popularity of American Idol over the past several years.

I haven't met a single white person who has been hurt by recent trends in housing. In fact, anyone with half a brain would have made money on it.

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"Granted, dirt cheap labor makes it less expensive for a contractor to build a house, but it's not like those builders are passing along the savings to consumers. Hell no. They're pocketing those savings as profit."

Do you know what most contractors are? Blue collared white folk. I know several that have been able to quit their jobs and start their own businesses by using cheap immigrant labor.

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"You must be a full-fledged moron if you think big corporations and businesses are passing the savings from dirt cheap labor on to consumers."

Now you're confusing individual contractors with big corporations - and it sounds like you're foaming at the mouth.

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"And the proof as to how the economy is REALLY doing is in the income/debt ratio for Americans."

Poor spending habits and credit card debt are both because of immigrants? Please provide some proof if you're going to continue making your wild baseless claims.

To be fair, you have proven one thing:
You know absolutely nothing about economics.

[Edited on May 18, 2007 at 2:21 PM. Reason : .]

5/18/2007 2:19:53 PM

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"You know, I think that Israel could use some massive Third World immigration. I wonder why they aren't allowing it? Don't they want the wonderful benefits of "diversity"? Are they a bunch of bigotted, racist, Jewish supremacists? "

Um, Israel is allowing Third World immigration. The fact is, Jews come from many places in the world and, for the lack of a better word, in many colors. There are European Jews who are white, African Jews who have darker skin, particularly Etheopian Jews, even Middle Eastern Jews. They all come to Israel. And the reason Israel welcomes only Jews is because not too long ago people who had views similar to yours nearly wiped out the entire Jewish population, so we had to form a Jewish state to protect ourselves from people like you trying to kill us.

5/18/2007 4:52:10 PM

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"And the reason Israel welcomes only Jews is because not too long ago people who had views similar to yours nearly wiped out the entire Jewish population, so we had to form a Jewish state to protect ourselves from people like you trying to kill us."

I don't know about all that.

5/18/2007 5:37:06 PM

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"And the reason Israel welcomes only Jews is because not too long ago people who had views similar to yours nearly wiped out the entire Jewish population"

Oh, right....the holohoax. That propaganda about "making soap and lamp shades out of Jews" and "gassing 6,000,000.00 of them in gas chambers and cremating them all in ovens."

Sorry, not buying that Jewish fairy tale bullshit...as are more and more people nowadays.

5/18/2007 5:37:35 PM

^ So you're saying my grandmother lied to me when she told me that she had close relatives -- cousins, uncles, and aunts -- who were killed in the holocaust? And that she made up that whole story about how the Germans rounded up the Jews in her city, brought them to one location and killed them all, and how she and her family narrowly escaped that fate by escaping the city in a freight train car? Hmm, interesting.

5/19/2007 5:42:47 PM

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"There are European Jews who are white, African Jews who have darker skin, particularly Etheopian Jews, even Middle Eastern Jews."

actually israel, being the zionist bigoted nation that it is, tried to keep the ethiopian jews out despite their clearly jewish practices. it wasn't until they did genetic testing on the cohen's and clergy that they accepted them and allowed them sanctuary.

Did your grandmother see anyone die? If no she may not be lying but just repeating hear-say. i'm not saying it didnt happen but i am open to the thought that it has be exaggerated quite a bit.

Also israel tends not to let in the Mizrahim, although we are far more the real jews as opposed to the ashkenazi.

5/21/2007 2:57:33 PM

The biggest problems I have with the illegal aliens is...

My aunt has been trying to come over to the US on a work visa for 6 YEARS. She is still waiting in line for the chance. It's cost her hundreds of american dollars (thousands in kip - Laos currency). Lots of corruption and lost money in her efforts to get to the US. It urks me when I see politicians pushing for a bill that will pretty much give illegal aliens an easy citizenship.

On the most part, many are normal, hard working, and family oriented. It's just that their illegal actions are unfair to others who seek the same opportunities.

5/21/2007 6:12:24 PM

even if all colored individuals are banned from the country, there are still need for people to fill in the lower class in our society, which the remaining whites will have to do. This way, there are still crimes nonetheless, as well as loners. In china, a country consists of mainly chinese, have many loners.

5/21/2007 6:24:12 PM

^^exactly.

5/21/2007 6:29:49 PM

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"So you're saying my grandmother lied to me when she told me that she had close relatives -- cousins, uncles, and aunts -- who were killed in the holocaust? And that she made up that whole story about how the Germans rounded up the Jews in her city, brought them to one location and killed them all, and how she and her family narrowly escaped that fate by escaping the city in a freight train car? Hmm, interesting."

I'm not disputing that jews went to camps. I acknowledge that jews (as well as many non-jews) were sent to internment camps by the Germans. By the way, the U.S. sent thousands of Japanese-Americans to internment camps during WWII.

The German camps, however, were not "death camps." They were internment and slave labor camps. The people that died in the German camps mainly died due to disease (eg, typhus), which was rampant in the camps near the end of the war due to the deteriorating condition in the camps due to heavy Allied bombing of Germany. That is why those in the camps near the end of the war were emaciated and starved.

There was no plan to "exterminate the Jews." If there really was, then the Germans sure were lousy at it, considering the literally millions of so-called "Holocaust survivors" who survived WWII, and that Germany had 4-5 years in order to kill all the Jews (had they really wanted to). The stories of "homicidal gas chambers"...like the stories of making soap and lamp shades out of jews...are pure and utter fabrications and propaganda. Further, the 6 million number is a GROSS exaggeration. The only gas chambers that existed at the camps were insecticidal gas chambers used to disinfect those in the camp against typhus and other diseases.

5/21/2007 7:34:22 PM

http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=765

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"Path to National Suicide May 22, 2007 by Patrick J. Buchanan “At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? “I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.” So said Abe Lincoln to the Young Men’s Lyceum in Springfield. Observing the Senate last week, and looking over the latest figures from the Census Bureau, America is now risking national suicide. Last week, senators meeting in secret produced a bill to legalize our 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens. If a path to citizenship becomes law, nothing will stop the next invasion. As President Bush acknowledges, 6 million tried to breach our southern border in his first five years. One in 12 – 500,000 – had a criminal record. According to the Census Bureau, from mid-2005 to mid-2006, the U.S. minority population rose 2.4 million, to exceed 100 million. Hispanics, 1 percent of the population in 1950, are now 14.4 percent. Their total number has soared 25 percent since 2000 alone. The Asian population has also grown by 25 percent since 2000. The number of white kids of school age fell 4 percent, however. Half the children 5 and younger in the United States are now minorities. What is happening to us? An immigrant invasion of the United States from the Third World, as America’s white majority is no longer even reproducing itself. Since Roe v. Wade, America has aborted 45 million of her children. And Asia, Africa and Latin America have sent 45 million of their children to inherit the estate the aborted American children never saw. God is not mocked. And white America is in flight. In the 1990s, for the first time since the Spanish came, whites left California. Two million departed. From July 1, 2005, to July 1, 2006, 100,000 more packed up and headed back whence their fathers came. The “Anglo” population of the Golden State is down to 43 percent and falling fast. White folks are now a minority in Texas and New Mexico. In Arizona, Hispanics account for over half the population under 20. The future is not in doubt. Why ought this be of concern? First, while the black and Hispanic population combined is now 85 million – five times what it was in 1960 – half of all black and Hispanic kids drop out of high school. And the average math and reading scores of the half who graduate are at seventh-, eighth- or ninth-grade levels. And the future is not so sanguine as it seemed 50 years ago. As I write in “State of Emergency”: “In 1960, 18 million black Americans, 10 percent of the nation, were not fully integrated into society, but they had been assimilated into our culture. They worshiped the same God, spoke the same language, had endured the same Depression and war, watched the same TV shows on the same four channels, laughed at the same comedians, went to the same movies, ate the same foods, read the same newspapers and went to schools where, even when segregated, we learned the same history and literature and shared the same holidays: Christmas, New Year’s, Washington’s Birthday, Easter, Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Columbus Day. Segregation existed, but black folks were as American as apple pie, having lived in this land longer than almost every other group save the Native Americans. “That cultural unity, that sense that we were one people, is gone.” Today’s immigrants exceed in number anything any nation has ever known. They now come from cultures and countries whose people have never before been assimilated by any First World country. Not only is the Melting Pot broken, it is rejected by our elites. Minorities are urged to hold onto their own language, customs, traditions. Identity politics is in. And the largest cohort, Mexicans, comes from a country with a historic grievance and a claim on the territory they are entering. Moreover, since the cultural revolution of the 1960s, we have been fighting one another over issues of race and ethnicity, history, heroes and holidays, morality and religion, right and wrong. All over the Western world, multiethnic, multicultural countries are coming apart over language, ethnicity, history. The Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, Yugoslavia into half a dozen. Czechs and Slovaks divorced. Scots want separation from England. Catalans and Basques seek independence. Corsicans and Bretons want out of France. Northern Italians want to secede. Only immigrants who prefer Ottawa prevent Quebecois from breaking free of Canada. As we see from the election battles in Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador and Mexico, race and ethnicity are not receding as issues, but rising. In South Central Los Angeles, black and Hispanic gangs are at war over race and turf. Addressing the Knights of Columbus in 1915, Theodore Roosevelt warned, “The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.” In every way possible, Americans have said they do not want to take this risk with their country. Why, then, are our elites taking it?"

5/22/2007 12:09:43 PM

What, no well thought out commentary of your own to add to that link? You're a pretty shitty soap boxer when you can't even add your own comments to a link. Terrible.

5/22/2007 12:31:12 PM

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"My aunt has been trying to come over to the US on a work visa for 6 YEARS. She is still waiting in line for the chance. It's cost her hundreds of american dollars (thousands in kip - Laos currency). Lots of corruption and lost money in her efforts to get to the US. It urks me when I see politicians pushing for a bill that will pretty much give illegal aliens an easy citizenship. "

That's not a good argument against amnesty though. We don't share a border with Laos, if we did, we'd have tons of Laosian immigrants here, and you'd probably be in support of the amnesty so your family can be here legally.

It's like Amdahl's Law applied to immigration.

5/22/2007 12:34:08 PM

I'm still waiting for my little buddy to prove that higher home prices, bad spending habits, and credit card debt are because of illegal immigrants.

He's so passionate about his ideas, yet he's such a dismal failure when it comes to defending them.

5/22/2007 1:46:54 PM

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"In 1960, 18 million black Americans, 10 percent of the nation, were not fully integrated into society, but they had been assimilated into our culture. They worshiped the same God, spoke the same language, had endured the same Depression and war, watched the same TV shows on the same four channels, laughed at the same comedians, went to the same movies, ate the same foods, read the same newspapers and went to schools where, even when segregated, we learned the same history and literature and shared the same holidays: Christmas, New Year’s, Washington’s Birthday, Easter, Memorial Day, July 4, Labor Day, Columbus Day. Segregation existed, but black folks were as American as apple pie, having lived in this land longer than almost every other group save the Native Americans. “That cultural unity, that sense that we were one people, is gone.”"

i never thought i would say this, but i actually agree with pat b. on something.

however the rest of that article is nothing more than a plee to save white america.

5/23/2007 11:04:26 AM

You agree that black people had a sense that we were all one people even though they couldn't go to school, use the same bathroom, or drink from the same water fountain as the majority of the population?

5/23/2007 11:09:29 AM

not entirely. but i do agree that blacks were assimilating into what had been established as white culture, and that now they are separating from that and making the feel that we are one people less.

5/23/2007 11:24:53 AM

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"The biggest problems I have with the illegal aliens is... My aunt has been trying to come over to the US on a work visa for 6 YEARS. She is still waiting in line for the chance. It's cost her hundreds of american dollars (thousands in kip - Laos currency). Lots of corruption and lost money in her efforts to get to the US. It urks me when I see politicians pushing for a bill that will pretty much give illegal aliens an easy citizenship. On the most part, many are normal, hard working, and family oriented. It's just that their illegal actions are unfair to others who seek the same opportunities."

Nailed it on the head. We need to be streamlining the process for these people. If your first act coming to this country is breaking the law by gaining entry illegally, what makes you think they will respect our laws once they are here? Help the hardworking immigrants who are trying to come here legally.

5/23/2007 5:47:00 PM

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"We, as a race, the White race, have been continuously indoctrinated by Satanic Jews into believing these creatures are our “equals” and “just like us” and “we are all one race, the human race” and other such spurious clichés. If we go against those claims, we are labeled as a Hitler type of crazy, as racist, as anti-Semitic and as just all around loonies and a person or even a group of persons to be ignored as well as shunned. Our children have been encouraged, especially our young females to forsaken their genes, their heritage and their people to breed with these beasts. I am not an adherent to Christian Identity as I believe not one religion holds all the answers but, I do believe in one major aspect of their theology, and that is the evil Satanic Christ-hating Jew is indeed the literal spawn of Satan. Satan, first attempted to corrupt the seed of his maker’s creation by breeding it with a primate. Later, he did the same thing, but only using his seed. I think most White Christian people understand that in the beginning Satan and 1/3 of the other angelic beings did rebel against their creator soon after learning of his plans to form a heavens and a earth filled with human beings. Satan wanted to be the master of this new creation and rebelled. I feel as if most White Christian people understand that there was indeed a tremendous battle with the outcome of Satan becoming the “God” of this earth, if only for a ‘little while.’ Unfortunately, I also believe that most Christian Whites think of that battle as a thing of the past, holding no meaning or repercussions in today’s world. I believe it’s time for White Christians to rethink and become aware on that subject. I think it’s time they stop being deceived and come to the understanding and realization that Satan is yet fighting for this earth and the battle rages on. He has enlisted millions of “soldiers,” whether these soldiers (non-Whites) are cognizant of their efforts, it matters not, the results are the same. As soon as they breed with a White, as soon as they murder a White, they have eliminated a part of God’s creation from this earth. These non-white soldiers, Mexicans, Africans, Asians, Arabs, or whatever, are acting under orders of the Satanic Jew. By the Jew infiltrating the most high positions of our governments and then either bribing or intimidating the politicians of those governments while at the same time changing the demographics of our country as well as most other White countries, that IS a huge part of the Jewish/Zionist battle plan. The battle that started in the beginning, is yet raging, and will continue to rage until the true master of war becomes involved one last time. Does that mean, we just lay down and die? Isn’t it predetermined what will take place? No brothers and sisters, I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying . . . wake-up, understand and get in the battle. Like Christ said; I am not here to make peace, I’m here to tell my people to turn their plowshares into swords and for those who don’t have a sword, sell your garments and get one. More and more people are awakening and realizing that there is not only a conspiracy but a cognizant effort to not only delude the White race but to ultimately end it’s existence upon this earth. That battle is White/Christian verses Jew/Satanism with primitive primate/niggers, mix-breed Mexicans and other mongrels of every color and nationality allowed to enter into White heartlands being used as the soldiers, havoc makers and seed destroyers. The battle between good and evil, as well as the battle over this earth is yet being fought. Albeit today, it’s a one sided battle, but a battle nonetheless. It’s really boils down to how much so-called “Political Correctness” or “Jew Programming” or “Brainwashing” one processes. The more one has, the more lies they believe, the less one has, the less lies they believe. And those who have none, have gained the most understanding. Yes, those who completely and totally rebel against Jew indoctrination inherently have the most knowledge of all. They’ve found the answers to many of the questions by using their own intellect, their own understanding and their own brain power to seek out the answers to those questions. Questions brainwashed Jew propagandized puppets don’t even know exist."

http://exposethemall2.blogspot.com/2007_05_01_archive.html


In order to fully understand the information above, one must know that the white race is descended from Adam, while the pure-blooded non-white races are not (eg, asians & blacks). Further, God commanded the Israelites (ie, pure-blooded descendants of Adam) to maintain their racial purity and not intermix with the other races.

more...

All "humans" did NOT descend from Adam (or Noah)
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=429124

GOD is a "racist" and "anti-Semite"
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=392028



[Edited on May 23, 2007 at 6:19 PM. Reason : 3]

5/23/2007 6:07:17 PM

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"More and more people are awakening and realizing that there is not only a conspiracy but a cognizant effort to not only delude the White race but to ultimately end it’s existence upon this earth."

Don't you mean "less and less?"

5/23/2007 7:02:21 PM

Jewish Cabal Targets White Race for Extermination
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=407701

The Longest Hatred- Examination on Anti Gentilism
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=419438

5/24/2007 7:37:11 AM

god damn it

don't respond to this fucker

5/24/2007 10:30:28 AM

sorry, i had to snicker at the pun of the thread title...

5/24/2007 10:41:27 AM

^^

5/24/2007 10:49:48 AM

ehe I don't intend to. he just re-affirms my belief that most of humanity are narrow minded morons

5/24/2007 10:50:34 AM

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer and impossible to ignore. The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used against them -- except force." -- JBR Yant

5/24/2007 11:05:13 AM

obiously people not wanting to read your shit just means youre 100% right!!

goddamn jump off a bridge you stupid piece of cum crust

5/24/2007 11:15:44 AM

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"jump off a bridge"

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"you wish I'm going to be around a long time, probably have 10-12 kids, and spread the message far and wide"

5/24/2007 11:27:19 AM

The funny thing is, you think we want to silence you because your message is powerful and dangerous, when we really don't care either way, and we are laughing at you.

You have mental problems it seems to me.

5/24/2007 11:45:00 AM

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"I'm not disputing that jews went to camps. I acknowledge that jews (as well as many non-jews) were sent to internment camps by the Germans. By the way, the U.S. sent thousands of Japanese-Americans to internment camps during WWII. The German camps, however, were not "death camps." They were internment and slave labor camps. The people that died in the German camps mainly died due to disease (eg, typhus), which was rampant in the camps near the end of the war due to the deteriorating condition in the camps due to heavy Allied bombing of Germany. That is why those in the camps near the end of the war were emaciated and starved. There was no plan to "exterminate the Jews." If there really was, then the Germans sure were lousy at it, considering the literally millions of so-called "Holocaust survivors" who survived WWII, and that Germany had 4-5 years in order to kill all the Jews (had they really wanted to). The stories of "homicidal gas chambers"...like the stories of making soap and lamp shades out of jews...are pure and utter fabrications and propaganda. Further, the 6 million number is a GROSS exaggeration. The only gas chambers that existed at the camps were insecticidal gas chambers used to disinfect those in the camp against typhus and other diseases. "

Care to tell that to my grandmother or any other of my still living relatives who survived WWII? My grandma's relatives that I speak of never made it to any kind of camp -- they were shot right there in the city where they lived. And the fact that the Nazis advocated a "final solution" -- an extermination of the Jewish people -- is just that, a historical fact. It is well known, well established, and beyond any reasonable doubt.

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"Did your grandmother see anyone die? If no she may not be lying but just repeating hear-say. i'm not saying it didnt happen but i am open to the thought that it has be exaggerated quite a bit."

The hell?? Of course she didn't see anyone die, or she would be dead herself. But the fact that there was a place in my city where the Germans brought the local Jews after rounding them up and killed them there is a well established historically documented fact.

http://history1900s.about.com/od/holocaust/a/babiyar.htm

And as far as her relatives or concerned, she didn't need to see them die to know they were dead. Look, one day they were alive. Then the Germans invaded the city, rounded up all the Jews who hadn't escaped, and after that, my grandma never saw her relatives again. You put the pieces together.

5/24/2007 2:15:07 PM

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"And the fact that the Nazis advocated a "final solution" -- an extermination of the Jewish people -- is just that, a historical fact. It is well known, well established, and beyond any reasonable doubt."

No. It's well propagandized. On a regular basis, the holohoax propaganda is shoved down our throats via Jewish-controlled Hollywood and the Jewish-controlled mainstream media. It's similar to the "official" story on so many other issues....eg, 9/11, Oklahoma City bombing, JFK assassiantion. The "official" stories on these issues are outright lies, and gained widespread acceptance among the populations (with the exception of the JFK assassination) only because of the power of the mainstream media. But thanks to the internet and other forms of alternative media, the lies on the issues are being exposed and people are waking up to the truth in mass.

5/24/2007 2:27:54 PM

^ Wow, that's 6 conspiracy theories you cited in one post! Is that a new record for you or do you always do this? And is there a conspiracy theory you don't subscribe to?

And let me get this straight: you believe that Hitler's own speaches regarding the threat of the Jews and his "final solution", videos and photos of bulldozers moving around piles of dead bodies, stories from Allied soldiers -- including White Americans you love and trust so much -- of liberating death camps, stories from Holocaust survivors, human remains found at sites where Nazis buried died Jews, and mountains of other evidence are all lies and propaganda?

[Edited on May 24, 2007 at 2:36 PM. Reason : .]

5/24/2007 2:33:48 PM

5/24/2007 5:07:13 PM

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"And as far as her relatives or concerned, she didn't need to see them die to know they were dead. Look, one day they were alive. Then the Germans invaded the city, rounded up all the Jews who hadn't escaped, and after that, my grandma never saw her relatives again. You put the pieces together"

1. your grandma left and didn't have internet access + 1. her relatives fled and changed their names, also lacking a way to communicate and assumed them for dead = 2. they could have been dead or alive, she doesnt know for a fact.

5/25/2007 9:16:27 AM

^ Who gives a shit about 1 anecdote you are trying to play devils advocate about?

5/25/2007 9:22:43 AM

^^ Highly unlikely especially if you consider that when the Germans came to our city, they rounded up all the Jews, took them to a ravine, then shot them on the edge of that ravine, let the bodies fall into the ravine, and covered them with dirt. And by the way, if you are gonna argue with me about this, perhaps you shouldn't make statements like this

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"i'm not saying it didnt happen but i am open to the thought that it has be exaggerated quite a bit"

Let's ingnore all the bigotry involded in this statement and in you arguing with me for just a minute, and pretend that you're right. Let's say the Holocoust was "gexaggerated quite a bit" and that instead of 6 millions Jews, only one million died. Is that not still genocide? Does that mean that what the Germans did is not an atrocity any more? How about you grow a spine and get off the fence! Either take salisburyboy's side and call the Holocoust a hoax, or say that you believe that it did happen. When you say it was "exxaggerated a bit" you are doing nothing except making yourself look like a fance sitting pussy.

5/25/2007 10:11:27 AM

you're an idiot. first of all i'm jewish so you really can't call me bigoted on this issue. secondly saying that it was exaggerated isn't fence sitting at all. I don't think that it was a hoax, and believe that the germans did kill many many jews, and yes they committed genocide. but what i focus more on are the millions of other people who were killed that out number the jewish deaths yet get no recognition. not even at the holocaust museum. i'm sorry dude, but thats just not right. can you some how warrant why jewish people get all the sympathy while its neglected from everyone else.

5/25/2007 11:33:35 AM

I guess we need an "Other People" memorial.

5/25/2007 11:35:41 AM