this matt kid must have gotten his ass kicked by some cops one time, he seems to hate them pretty badly.

6/10/2007 1:13:05 AM

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"it would be a beatdown unless the car or its driver sucked. they wouldn't be "right behind it" unless he'd just lapped them. outrunning the cops is easy in and of itself. if you are in a car with any sort of performance capability and can't dust the bejeezus out of a cop, you suck big time"

they had a article in Motor Trend about cops v. performance cars. Pretty fun read.

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"Don't pull a Wilmington and shoot me through the door please. "

Wilmington cops are the fucking worst. Between harassing law abiding college students, breaking up college graduation parties (throw by PARENTS), camping out in what looks like a broken down vehicle clocking drivers on I40 entering Wilmington , and even writing some kid a fucking DUI for riding his bicycle on the sidewalk drunk near the Oceanic. They should just wear swastikas on there sleeves





[Edited on June 10, 2007 at 1:23 AM. Reason : l]

6/10/2007 1:20:37 AM

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"this matt kid must have gotten his ass kicked by some cops one time, he seems to hate them pretty badly."

Who are you? I'm older than some little punk like yourself.

6/10/2007 9:31:32 AM

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"I do have a question though, is it illegal to to roll down my window and flick off every state trooper?"

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"the legal history of the finger 1977: A state appeals court in Connecticut overturns the conviction of a high school student who gave the finger to a state trooper from the back of his school bus. The officer had stopped behind the bus at a red light. 1980: Police arrest a contractor in Hammond, Louisiana after he paints a 30-foot-high image on a supermarket wall of Mickey Mouse flipping the bird with the caption, "Hey Iran!" 1983: A Texas court upheld a breach of the peace conviction against a student who flipped off his principal during graduation. 1990: In the case of an Arizona man pulled over in 1987 for flipping off a cop, a federal court rules that "no matter how peculiar, abrasive, unruly or distasteful a person's conduct may be, it cannot justify a police stop unless it suggests that some specific crime has been, or is about to be, committed." It also ruled, "We cannot condone Duran's conduct; it was boorish, crass and, initially at least, unjustified. Our hard-working law enforcement officers surely deserve better treatment from members of the public. But disgraceful as Duran's behavior may have been, it was not illegal; criticism of the police is not a crime." 1990: When a patrol helicopter hovers 800 feet over a home in Oceanside, California, the owner grabs a flashlight, aims it at the chopper and flips off the officers. Minutes later, a dozen officers converge on the home, hogtie him and arrest him and his wife. The prosecutor refuses to press charges against the couple, who later win $300,000 in damages. 1991: Police arrest a driver who gave the finger to Santa Claus as he speaks to a girl and her parents in Portsmouth, Rhode Island. Santa turns out to be an off-duty cop. 1995: Jimmie Wayne Jeffers (right), being executed in Arizona for killing his ex-girlfriend in 1976, flips the bird to the warden after being strapped in for his lethal injection. According to witnesses, it is still raised as he dies. 1996: Ohio and seven other states ban Bad Frog Beer because its label shows an amphibian with a webbed finger raised. The brewery argues that because the frog only had four fingers, it couldn't be raising the middle one. 1996: A judge in Mercer County, New Jersey who refused a defense request for a mistrial complains about the reaction of a public defender. "I observed an expression on her face of great anger," he writes. "At the time her left hand was raised and thrust toward the bench with her middle finger in a raised position." 1998: A jury awards a junkyard owner in Arkansas $4000 in damages against a state trooper who arrested him for flipping the bird as they passed on a county road. Earlier that year, the man's nephew had received a $2500 settlement after being arrested for flipping off a different cop. 1998: Police fined a Pennsylvania woman $25 for yelling "Fuck you!" and flipping off a flag worker. In 2000 the state supreme court reverses the fine, saying that the bird cannot be considered obscene, as required by state law. It rules, "It would be a rare person who would be turned on by the display of a middle finger or the language it represents." 2000: After being interrupted, a school board member in Allentown, Pennsylvania gives the finger to the board president. During his trial, the member argues his gesture had not been sexual, and therefore not obscene. But a tape of the meeting shows he'd later threatened to "put some Vaseline" on his bird. A judge fines him $100. 2001: An officer in Medley, Florida arrests a man on obscenity charges for two stickers he had placed on his pickup. One shows a foot-high Calvin of the Calvin & Hobbes strip sticking up his middle finger while he urinates on the names of the driver's ex-girlfriend, her husband and their daughter. 2001: An accused drunk driver asks a Pennsylvania judge to throw out the charge because the cop pursued her only after she flipped him off. An appeals court rules in her favor. 2001: Robert Coggin allegedly gives the finger to a slow driver on a San Antonio highway. The driver calls police, and Coggin spends $15,000 over the next two years to get the $250 fine reversed. An appeals court rules that the digitus impudicus ("impudent finger") is protected speech, especially if its target is not "violently aroused." 2002: A woman representing herself at trial in Calgary, Alberta for reckless driving apologizes to the judge for rolling her eyes and flipping off witnesses who testify against her. 2003: School officials in Waterloo, Ontario suspend a 12-year-old after he gives the finger during the class portrait. "I didn't even realize that my middle finger was sticking out," he claims. His mother says of school officials: "They're not anthropologists. They can't look at a picture and determine someone's intentions." 2003: A judge in Dallas sentences a mechanic to 30 days in jail for contempt after he flips her off during jury selection. The man had ignored her instructions to answer questions verbally rather than by nodding his head. 2003: Five people in the audience at a city council meeting in Chandler, Arizona file a police report after a retired stockbroker gives the council a double-finger salute. They want him charged with disorderly conduct. The retiree, who said he felt the mayor and police had been heckling him, said, "I didn't think it was a crime to give someone the finger." 2004: An American Airlines pilot, irritated that officials at Sao Paulo airport had fingerprinted and photographed him, flipped the bird into the camera (right). Police arrested him for disobeying authority, and a judge fined him $13,000 for "his insult to Brazil's national pride and the federal police." 2006: Police ticketed a motorist in Colchester, England for giving the finger to a camera designed to catch speeders, even though he was driving under the speed limit. The ticket read that Simon Thompson had "used offensive hand gestures toward police in full view of passing public for three to four seconds." Thompson explained, "I wasn’t giving the officers the finger. I was aiming my anger at the camera.""

http://www.chiprowe.com/articles/legal-history-finger.html

6/10/2007 10:21:39 AM

what about North Carolina?

6/10/2007 10:28:04 AM

I can tell you from personal experience that the police will pay attention to you if you give them the finger.

This opinion was made by a federal court, so I would imagine that it would hold some weight in North Carolina:

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"1990: In the case of an Arizona man pulled over in 1987 for flipping off a cop, a federal court rules that "no matter how peculiar, abrasive, unruly or distasteful a person's conduct may be, it cannot justify a police stop unless it suggests that some specific crime has been, or is about to be, committed." It also ruled, "We cannot condone Duran's conduct; it was boorish, crass and, initially at least, unjustified. Our hard-working law enforcement officers surely deserve better treatment from members of the public. But disgraceful as Duran's behavior may have been, it was not illegal; criticism of the police is not a crime.""

Obviously, it's probably going to be more trouble than it's worth if an officer does decide to ticket you. However, I believe that it is a protected speech issue and you should be in the right. But, if you decide to do something like this, pick your situation carefully. It should be unambiguous that you're expressing an opinion and not making a threatening gesture.

[Edited on June 10, 2007 at 10:48 AM. Reason : ]

6/10/2007 10:44:00 AM

i was in a limo once on capital with tinted windows, RPD was next to us so I flipped him off thinking he couldnt see me. He turns toward me, then flips me the bird back! everyone in the limo were laughing our asses off.

6/11/2007 1:09:26 AM

RPD is very different from the Hwy Patrol in terms of the officers

6/11/2007 1:11:12 AM

^yea troopers usually seem to be pissed off, at least everytime ive talked to one/been pulled over by one

6/11/2007 1:28:25 AM

to flip them off, just act like you are scratching your nose.

6/11/2007 1:38:40 AM

Yea actually all RPD I've ever met were pretty cool.

6/11/2007 11:43:08 AM

It never ends with these troopers.

Last nigth I was on the way back from Morehead and was on hwy 70. Had the cruise set 5 mph over in a 55 and there was a 18 wheeler probably 100 yards in front of me. It was 8:45 and about dark. We were both in the right lane.

There were two trooper cars parked in the median with no lights on. One of them was a Tahoe. I saw their outline as another passed in the other lane and had its headlights on. The Tahoe is facing me, does a U turn 25 yards in front of me and I had switch into the left lane and hit the brakes. The trooper keeps the Taho floored and drives 100 yards up to directly behind the 18 wheeler. Then he finally turns his headlights on. Then he rides in the middle of the road for a half a minute, probably to give the truck driver a heart attack, and then he turns his blue lights on.

I called *hp and told the guy that answered the whole thing. He asked what highway and what mile and what kind of vehicle etc. and said that my complaint had been noted.

6/13/2007 12:26:24 PM

^ dumbass, shoulda plowed right into him and sued the shit of of them

6/13/2007 1:32:21 PM

there was a sc trooper that did something like that (^^) in front of me a few weeks ago

i saw him in the median but he must have never seen me because if he would have pulled out .5 seconds later we would have both been toast because i was in the right lane doing 78 in a 70 and he pulled right in front of me to go get some truck

6/13/2007 2:17:58 PM

For open container laws:

Whats the difference in the driver or passengers getting the open container ticket? Is it the same charge/penalty or is it worse if you're driving vs riding?

6/13/2007 3:43:49 PM

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"^ dumbass, shoulda plowed right into him and sued the shit of of them"

I seem to remember something about the state not being liable for damages. I can't remember why, but it seems like I've heard on several occassions that if a cop hits you you're pretty much screwed even if it is his fault.

6/13/2007 4:18:35 PM

speaking of troopers.

http://cyclegear.com/motophoto.cfm

6/13/2007 6:34:04 PM

^^ nope, my cousin was getting pulled near wilmington, slammed on the brakes, the cop rear ended him, and he got $8,000 out of the county

they are state employees just like everyone else, department of insurance and risk management handles it

[Edited on June 13, 2007 at 6:59 PM. Reason : blah]

6/13/2007 6:58:21 PM

Yea, skack you're wrong as hell, friend of mine got rear ended by a state trooper and they gave him over the value of his car without any hassle. Why the fuck wouldn't they be liable?!??! They make everybody else carry liability insurance, surely they're just as liable.

6/13/2007 7:15:02 PM

There are municipalities that legally make themselves not liable for accidents.

6/13/2007 7:55:42 PM

well if so, thats fucked up

6/13/2007 8:04:12 PM

^^ not in north carolina. It's a state law that they can't do that.

6/13/2007 10:34:51 PM

it wasn't a NC trooper but at the intersection of avent ferry and athens i did see a cop turn on his blue lights just to go through the red light and once he got on avent ferry just kept on cruising at 40mph.

6/14/2007 12:14:02 AM

So, sitting at red lights wastes gas. He's just trying to help NC out.

6/14/2007 12:15:35 AM

^^ they do that shit all the time.

6/14/2007 1:55:40 AM

a cop will do that sometimes depending on the nature of the call. you'll see them come to an intersection, turn the lights and possibly siren on, proceed through the intersection, then turn them off because they don't want the assailant knowing they are coming. a good example of this would be a domestic dispute where if they knew the cops were coming, it could possibly make the situation worse and turn into a hostage situation, etc. others times you see a cop do that they might have got dispatched to a call and a closer officer took the call and put the original back in service. i highly doubt an officer would abuse the blue lights just to avoid sitting at a red light. think about it for a second. where do they have to be in such a hurry to go since they are already at work. that would be such a stupid way to get in trouble. i'm sure admin gets a shitload of complaints about cops running an intersection just because they can. a cop isn't that dumb. i know the f.d. gets complaints of engines running intersections "just to get through" then turn lights off on the other side when in reality that isn't true at all. we could be the 2nd or 3rd due dispatched to a structure fire and the 1st due engine arrive on scene and advise there is "nothing showing". when they advise that, the rest of the responding equipment will turn off lights and siren and respond with normal traffic for safety reasons. people never know what the radio inside the car or truck is telling them what to do and are so quick to jump to assumptions.

[Edited on June 14, 2007 at 8:38 AM. Reason : -]

6/14/2007 8:36:06 AM

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"where do they have to be in such a hurry to go since they are already at work"

Maybe the "Hot and Now" light came on at the Krispy Kreme



[Edited on June 14, 2007 at 10:22 AM. Reason : l]

6/14/2007 10:21:30 AM

^ thats a 10-48, hot fresh doughnut in custody

6/14/2007 11:29:12 AM

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"For open container laws: Whats the difference in the driver or passengers getting the open container ticket? Is it the same charge/penalty or is it worse if you're driving vs riding? "

anyone?

6/14/2007 4:18:18 PM

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"Yea actually all RPD I've ever met were pretty cool."

I will agree with this statement. Even the one who pulled me over was very civil and didn't have an attitude.

Of the two troopers I've had the bad luck to come in contact with, one was very cool, and one was kind of a dick.

6/14/2007 8:08:52 PM

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"will turn off lights and siren and respond with normal traffic for safety reasons"

then why are you running red lights?

6/14/2007 8:13:08 PM

underpsi, I know you're a fire fighter and I know you wanna take the service sector's side...but even your SOP's wouldn't agree with you.

6/14/2007 8:41:37 PM

the one who gave me a 90 in a 55 yesterday was pretty nice.. usually they're dicks when giving tickets for speeds like that lol

6/14/2007 10:43:41 PM

every, and i mean EVERY RPD i have ever met was a huge prick and can go fuck themselves. the one who might not fit that description was a rookie in training and looked younger than jbaz.

6/14/2007 11:00:24 PM

i've never had any real real complaint with rpd except for the motorcycle units. nchp has always generally been nice and professional to me as well.

sure, i've wanted to get pissed and call them all dicks but then i remember i've broken the law (excessively in a lot of cases) and they're just doing their job. i do still expect them to act like professionals and treat me with respect.

in my experience, it's the small town barney fife cops that are the real assholes.

[Edited on June 14, 2007 at 11:41 PM. Reason : .]

6/14/2007 11:37:05 PM

paid off my lawyer this morning, heh well. i'm going to the bar.

6/14/2007 11:41:03 PM

Ive dealt with the following, and this is how they acted:

Rocky Mount, NC Police: Friendly and Courteous, but still gave me ticket
Concord, NC police: Complete assholes, acted like they were giving me a break but didn't, still got ticket
Myrtle Beach, SC Police: COMPLETE assholes, wrote me 2 tickets for some real obscure shit that ended up costing me big time
NCSHP: Dude was a douchebag, got ticket
RPD: Assholes, but did not get ticket
NCSU PD: Gave me a hard time, but not assholes, still got ticket.

6/15/2007 12:50:01 AM

the worst cops hands down are the fucking wilmington pigs. I respect cops (excluding NCHP) for the work they do but there is no better adjective to describe the wilmington police then the adjective in my first sentence. It seems that they have nothing better to do then harass college students. This past May graduating seniors could not even have a cook out (parents & grandparents) included during the middle of the fucking day w/o being harrassed by the 5-0. That is just one of many situations i have witnessed the Wilmington cops using there nazi powers on the populace

6/15/2007 2:57:18 AM

^They dont go out there for shits and giggles. If a citizen complains we have to respond. But i still understand what you are saying.the only reason they would do that is if they are getting complaints from the neighbors, so blame it on them callin the cops. You have to understand that it is their JOB to respond to that call if they are being too loud or whatever. They dont need to be dicks about it. And about the bumpin blue lights to get through stoplights, UNDERPSI nailed it. There are some who abuse it, but for the majority u try to respong to calls without lights and sirens because #1 people lock on brakes and almost kill u when they see u behind them with lights on, plus they slow down and slow ur response time, and #2 if it is a situation that can be compromised by lights and siren but still needs a quick response like a domestic, B&E, armed robbery etc.

Oh and whoever wanted to know about the open container it is a class 3 misdemeanor and court appearance is mandatory. I believe whoever has it in their possession is the one going to court. But if you are driving and have consumed alcohol you can get teh charge(Transporting an open container of alcoholic beverage after consuming) and they are gonna check you for DWI(dont quote me but i think this is right) Im not a lawyer

[Edited on June 15, 2007 at 8:43 PM. Reason : eh]

6/15/2007 8:41:26 PM

http://wral.com/news/local/story/1504955/

6/15/2007 11:47:46 PM

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"(dont quote me but i think this is right) Im not a lawyer"

Yea but your a cop you should know.

^So the trooper basically got a slap on the wrist.

6/16/2007 1:28:45 PM

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"Ive dealt with the following, and this is how they acted: Rocky Mount, NC Police: Friendly and Courteous, but still gave me ticket Concord, NC police: Complete assholes, acted like they were giving me a break but didn't, still got ticket Myrtle Beach, SC Police: COMPLETE assholes, wrote me 2 tickets for some real obscure shit that ended up costing me big time NCSHP: Dude was a douchebag, got ticket RPD: Assholes, but did not get ticket NCSU PD: Gave me a hard time, but not assholes, still got ticket."

sounds like you need a lesson in how to avoid the police

6/16/2007 1:38:11 PM

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"Myrtle Beach, SC Police: COMPLETE assholes, wrote me 2 tickets for some real obscure shit that ended up costing me big time"

It sounds like a cop out but this is why I do not got to Myrtle Beach. I do not feel like going to that shithole, spending my money, and then get arrested for jaywalking or some shit.

MBPD is fucking notorious for shit like that. I would like to see a figure on how much money they bring in annually from forfeited bail money.

6/16/2007 1:47:21 PM

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"then why are you running red lights?"

because all units were dispatched to a structure fire which has the probability of needing all responding equipment there in a hurry. once the first-due engine arrives and discovers there isn't a big fire, then an emergency response from the rest of the dispatched units is no longer necessary since running lights and siren is very dangerous since it interferes with all the tasks a civilian driver has to overcome while driving like chatting on a cell phone, eating that mcdonalds bigmac, petting the shit-zoo that's on their lap, and not letting that ice cream cone drip on them.
there are other types of calls that require multiple companies but only the first-due will run lights and siren. an example of that would be a fire alarm at school where some dumbass pulled a pull station because they like the noise it makes. since 98% of all fire alarms are false, the other responding equipment will never turn on the lights and siren and just run normal traffic until advised by the first-due engine if they need to continue on to the scene or return to service. the first-due is still required to run lights and siren "just in case". there have been cases where a unit was responding emergency traffic to a fire alarm that was pulled by a prankster and the unit was involved in an accident where people were injured and the prankster was criminally charged at fault.
since everybody is always comparing things from movies, think back to the original Die Hard. there is a good example in the movie when bruce willis pulls the fire alarm to get help. he looks out the window and sees the units responding but the alarm company calls the security at nakatomy tower to see if it's false. the security guard said it was and dispatch advises the units to return to service. that's when bruce willis sees them turn off their lights and sirens and return to service and he cusses at them. haha

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"but even your SOP's wouldn't agree with you."

oh no? how so?

6/16/2007 3:13:23 PM

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"If a citizen complains we have to respond. But i still understand what you are saying.the only reason they would do that is if they are getting complaints from the neighbors, so blame it on them callin the cops."

I thought it is the cops job to exercise judgement and evaluate if any laws are being broken. As I said in my post it was the middle of the afternoon so any night noise ordinances would not be in effect. Pretty much what you are saying is if I do not like joe schmoe every time him and a few buddies sit out on the deck drinking, I can call the cops who will then come and "break" up the gathering. A elderly woman a couple houses down that one of my friends talked to the next day said that her husband was napping and she could barely even make out any noise from the party. The 2nd part of the story from the Wilmington graduation party was after the PoPo's broke up the party. People left and a guy who lived about a block down dragged the keg to his place since he payed for it. He made it clear that he was not having a party to all of us. He allowed people (parents and students) to congregate while they arranged sober drivers and made plans to go elsewhere for the evening. About 45 mins after the cops broke up the original party the police rolled to the dude's house, there were probably about 15-20 people there including his parents, after receiving a "complaint" and issued him a "noise party" ticket. I guess the police after there first appearance would rather have had people run for there cars and drive drunk.

All the houses on either side were all college students so it was a bullshit complaint. At some point in between the issuing of the two tickets, a K9 unit officer rolled by to warn us that his Sgt. (some bitchy black woman) was in a bad mood and was on the war path to find any issue to justify issuing a citation. So we were definitely not being rowdy.

bigtoy4x4 what P.D do you work for. I go to W a lot and every situation I have seen involving the police is usually them harassing college kids. I have heard from several sources parents, alumni from years ago, etc that they just hate the college crowd that has corrupted there "small town"


[Edited on June 16, 2007 at 7:15 PM. Reason : l]

6/16/2007 7:08:48 PM

Wilmington is no small town. Fucked up shit has been going on there for years. They should concentrate those edgy cops to the south side of town where they are really needed, instead of targeting students.

6/16/2007 8:43:49 PM

They probably just learn from the best RPD. Because we all know busting underage drinking at football tailgates and cruising down brentroad looking for parties to break up takes precedent over catching some real criminals.

6/16/2007 9:04:46 PM

An RPD cop pulled me for going 100+ in a 60, just told me to slow down.

6/16/2007 9:54:18 PM

^^yeah, that's right... because the cops really have a choice in what they're told to do. come on.

sure, there are some asshole cops out there but the real problems are further up the chain. if you want to target someone for this "harrassment", you're barking up the wrong tree.

6/16/2007 10:08:18 PM

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"because the cops really have a choice in what they're told to do."

they did not have to give either resident a "noise/party citation" since they were not realistically (technically a cop can write a citation about anything rather it holds up in court is a different story) breaking any laws. It was a graduation party so it was not like there was a bunch of under aged freshman going crazy. Fucking mom and grandma were sipping on cocktails and it was still daylight

[Edited on June 17, 2007 at 2:21 AM. Reason : l]

6/17/2007 2:20:41 AM