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6/22/2007 7:10:36 PM

N&blOw's ACC Hoops Summer Preview top half
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/index.php?title=summer_hoops_preview_top_half&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

bottom half
http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_postreply.aspx?topic=482501


Tudor's picks
1. UNC
2. N.C. State
3. Duke
4. Clemson
5. UVa
6. BC
7. FSU
8. Md
9. Wake
10. GT
11. VT
12. Miami

Giglio's picks
1. UNC
2. Clemson
3. N.C. State
4. Duke
5. Md
6. GT
7. UVa
8. Miami
9. Wake
10. FSU
11. BC
12. VT

[Edited on June 22, 2007 at 8:52 PM. Reason : ]

6/22/2007 8:49:36 PM

When has Clemson done better than 6th in conference (1997???), let alone top 3, seriously. For a team to be top three in the ACC, that means 11-5 or 10-6 wins in conference which means you're going to have to get at least three road wins, something Clemson has not done so well this century. That clown also has G Tech at 6th, every fan/alumni/student of that school would pay you cash right now for a 6th place finish with their attrition. Wake at nine is also a stretch, they are going to be terrible. I like his pick for us at third though, I'd take it and run.

6/22/2007 11:35:48 PM

You don't add up. You like his pick for us at third but you complain about clemson who is 2nd in that?

So who does that leave 2nd? duke? You're either pretty wishy washy or mud clear in your posts.

Wake will not be bad. They have some really good players and will be better this yea. The conference will be back to its weak days but i think gt and maryland are sleepers and will be good. 4-5 teams in the tournament and that likely won't include fsu vt bc or wake.

Shallow conference plain and simple. Its pretty clear to me that the triangle teams will run shit and be much better than the rest of the conference.

Watchout for uva and miami as i think they will sneak up on whoever falls apart in the middle (clemson, gt, maryland) I still wouldn't write off any of those five teams to be decent and maybe even make the tourney.

My official prediction is 4 ncaa teams with a fifth extreme-bubble team.

6/23/2007 12:12:18 AM

Stating that Clemson won't be in the top three ain't wishy washy, sorry, they have not been top three in 3 coaches. Duke at second is much more likely. They aren't getting a Williams-Dunleavy-Boozer type class, but they aren't rebuilding either like in 99-00, they still have Paulus who is experienced but not great, and Scheyer, who can fill it up, and Nelson could easily be 2nd team all ACC. They have a great class coming in with some decent experience and K on the sidelines, so yea, I would put Duke at 2nd. I said I would love us at 3, not expecting it. But 4th is certainly a safe bet, would still get us a first day bye in the ACCT. I am not sure what anyone sees in G Tech, they lose a ton, and they ain't UNC or Duke that reload every year. I'll learn a lot about Hewitt in 2007-2008

6/23/2007 12:34:01 AM

You're wishy washy as hell because you just backed up yourself not being wishy washy then you say 4th is a safe bet for ncstate. Then whose third? you just said clemson and gt weren't good so that makes you wishy washy unless you're expecting maryland to be better which again you haven't said anything about anyone else yet you say its safe to put state thirrd. Wishy washy.

6/23/2007 3:37:38 AM

i want the ACC Championship.

6/23/2007 10:25:33 AM

Look, I don't have all 12 teams set in stone about where they will end up, I just think Clemson won't be top three, and I'd be thrilled if we finished second or third, and I think we shouldn't do worse than 4th on paper. Yea, if I sat down and thought about it for a half hour I could go through and give all 12 teams a spot 1-12

[Edited on June 23, 2007 at 10:39 AM. Reason : .]

6/23/2007 10:38:12 AM

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"Wake at nine is also a stretch, they are going to be terrible"

I'm not so sure about that--not because Wake is going to be better, but because the conference as a whole is going to lose so much. Wake gets a pretty good incoming class to team with Smith, Williams, Skeen, and Hale. They'll be extremely lacking in post play, but might be able to pull some wins from shooting. 9th is a reasonable guess.

Aside from UNC, State, and Duke, I can't figure out any obvious ranking of the 4-12 teams. Everyone has very significant losses. I refuse to buy Clemson in the top 4, ever, until they prove that they can actually win meaningful games.

6/23/2007 10:38:17 AM

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"Hold on a second, clamhead! You think you can just roll in here and tell us it's not on when it very clearly is on?!"

^^^ as long as it's the one that really matters.

[Edited on June 23, 2007 at 10:42 AM. Reason : ]

6/23/2007 10:41:42 AM

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"Projected starting lineup: Gonzalez, Fells, Costner, Hickson, McCauley"

This guy doesn't have Grant starting as a senior. He is really high on Javi if you read the article.

6/23/2007 11:00:15 AM

There is no way that Grant doesn't start as a senior. Besides earning the right, he is going to be our leader on the floor, similar to the way he and Atsur were this year. He can get to the basket and make plays for us. Hickson won't start, but will be one of the first off the bench. I think Hickson's defense will hold him back. I'm not saying that he doesn't play good defense, I'm just saying that the only thing keeping a lot of talented freshmen from starting right away is their defense.

6/23/2007 11:11:28 AM

Well when Hickson starts, either Costner, Fells, McCauley or Grant will be sitting, which one????? I just don't think a potential one and done came to ride the pine.

[Edited on June 23, 2007 at 11:15 AM. Reason : .]

6/23/2007 11:15:13 AM

He could be like Marvin Williams. He didn't start but was a one and done.

6/23/2007 11:16:28 AM

i think it's going to be Degand, Fells, Grant, Costner, and McCauley starting, but Hickson will see 20-30 mins a game

6/23/2007 12:03:15 PM

^yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Hickson and Smith should both see significant minutes--and there's a chance that JJ could be starting by the end of the year.

I'd give the edge at point to Degand just because he's been here for a year, but Javi might step it up and take that over. Either way, they'll probably divide minutes at the point.

6/23/2007 12:15:17 PM

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"He could be like Marvin Williams who played at UNC where there were 4 upperclassmen McD AA's already there . He didn't start but was a one and done."

I'd say the 04-05 Tarheels were/are slightly more talented than the 07-08 Wolfpack, so that might have something to do with MW not starting, but if we win the NCAA championship we can revisit it. I'm just stating an opinion that Hickson (or any other McD AA) didn't come to NC State to not start

6/23/2007 1:29:07 PM

Costner came to NC State with pretty much no shot of starting his freshman year, even before the injury.

It's not unheard of.

6/23/2007 2:10:34 PM

i didn't need to read that preview. now i can't wait for bball season. like, really, i can't do it.

6/23/2007 2:59:12 PM

you could always try to freeze yourself like Cartman tried to do so that he could avoid the wait for the Nintendo Wii. there's always the chance though that something will go awry and you'd be unfrozen 500 years later, but that's a chance you might have to take so that you won't go insane waiting for so long.

6/23/2007 4:14:22 PM

yea, as much as I like football season, Im ready to fast forward to basketball season.

6/23/2007 10:21:48 PM

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/index.php?p=10767&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#more10767

Part III of the N&blOw's ACC Hoops Summer Preview. Here they rank the best players.

6/24/2007 1:36:35 AM

^^

6/24/2007 1:41:19 AM

^^^

6/24/2007 2:39:39 AM

They'd sit Fells before they sat Grant, guaranteed

McCauley and Costner can't sit, they're too good. Fells is flaky.

[Edited on June 24, 2007 at 3:54 AM. Reason : .]

6/24/2007 3:54:31 AM

Can someone in the know give me a run down of the Duke recruits? I know none of them are true post players which Duke needed, but they are supposed to be very talented correct. Do you think Duke will be able to survive with just Zoubek?

6/24/2007 10:19:01 AM

can somebody explain to me how both red and white from state and state fans nation are both dead in the same week?

6/24/2007 10:42:47 AM

^I've been wondering about that too

6/24/2007 10:45:25 AM

We will friggin crush Duke in the post. In fact, if we can trade fouls in the post, we have a way more talented bench for post players than anyone else. We have the potential to crush just about any team down there.

We just better hope that these Duke freshies, paulus, scheyer, etc dont all turn into pseudo-reddicks on us and commit murder from the 3pt line....

THANK GOD FOR SAINT SIDNEY!!!

[Edited on June 24, 2007 at 11:48 AM. Reason : ss]

6/24/2007 11:47:13 AM

Indiana rather than renovate the historical and unique Assembly Hall, is going to build a new 18,000 seat arena.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/ncaa/06/22/indiana.assembly.ap/index.html

6/24/2007 4:29:22 PM

bttt. Hopefully UVA won't have the easiest ACC schedule come this time next year and Leitao and Co. fall flat on their faces.

6/25/2007 6:30:07 PM

Who do you see in the Final Four next year?

6/29/2007 8:26:22 PM

^^don't worry....they lost half their offense when reynolds left.....they won't be as good this season. I still won't forget the home game we played against them this year when Reynolds/Singletary scored something like 58 of their 70 pts or somethin like htat

6/29/2007 10:53:02 PM

^^ ucla will be there again, along with probably kansas, unc, and then my sleeper of tennessee

6/30/2007 12:04:07 AM

Tenn?

Maybe in women's hoops.

6/30/2007 2:56:39 AM

^^ you forgot state, hey man we gotta cling to the hope (until some ncsu shit happens)

6/30/2007 2:59:24 AM

Unc's wing players suck. They are going to get eaten up in the tourney. They won't sniff the final four.

And where are the threes going to come from? People will pack it in, and Hansbrough won't have wright to clean it up.


[Edited on June 30, 2007 at 3:21 AM. Reason : sdf]

6/30/2007 3:20:13 AM

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"Tenn? Maybe in women's hoops."

Ughhh they are preseason top-10 by many polls and writers.

Also they have everyone back but Bradshaw, another killer recruiting class, and the best shooter in college ball Chris Lofton. They will be damn good.

P.S. they got fucked or they beat tOSU to get to the Elite 8 this past year.

6/30/2007 9:20:51 AM

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"bttt. Hopefully UVA won't have the easiest ACC schedule come this time next year and Leitao and Co. fall flat on their faces."

Yeah, Leitao was exposed as an unworthy coach of the year winner when Sidney outcoached the hell outtof his @$$ in the ACC tourney. I think Sid has got to be the preseason fav to grab that honor this year if they base it on improvement from the previous season....

6/30/2007 12:41:46 PM

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"And where are the threes going to come from? People will pack it in, and Hansbrough won't have wright to clean it up"

well lawson and ellington weren't bad by any means last year, so i would assume an extra year would help them. thompson inside isn't chopped liver. i mean who else realistically would be there? georgetown maybe?

6/30/2007 12:47:13 PM

lowjack and howard are 100% dead on

unc is going to be overated as hell this year. They weren't even GREAT last year they had many many weaknesses but they were able to ride the weakest conference in America. Don't be surprised when they don't win the acc this year. They don't play a lick of defense. Ever noticed how much hansbrough gets his shot blocked against more athletic bigs? They are really going to miss wright but the thing people are really forgetting is how important terry was. Ellington is weak sauce. Thompson is solid but by no means opens things up and creates the kind of opportunities that the presence of Wright did. Many teams that lost a few good players last season like ucla had freshman coming in. UNC has no recruiting class. Top 5-10 team at best (thats if some wings step up their scoring which may not happen)

6/30/2007 1:11:15 PM

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"they were able to ride the weakest conference in America."

You must be joking.

The ACC was probably the 2nd or 3rd strongest conference in the country, I don't see how you could say they were weaker than the Big East, Big 10, or Big 12.

6/30/2007 1:24:18 PM

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"weakest conference in America"

I stopped reading after this.

6/30/2007 1:25:19 PM

The ACC was clearly weaker than the pac 10, sec, big east, and big 10 in tourney play. We didn't even have a team in the final four, where that used to be almost automatic in years past.

All that "strongest top to bottom" or "regular season rpi" shit is for Sendek-lovers. When it came to tourney time, ACC teams folded like the French.

The ACC has clearly weakened relative to other conferences and relative to our own history. Winning frequently and big was the real proof that the ACC was the best conference. That hasn't been the case for a few years.


[Edited on June 30, 2007 at 1:40 PM. Reason : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NCAA_Men's_Division_I_Basketball_Tournament]

6/30/2007 1:32:10 PM

Look what happened out of conference

between the unc and the 4 other teams that were neck and neck at the top of the acc the only good win was unc over ohio state without oden.

these teams that either tied for or were 1 game out of winning this joke conference had losses to gonzaga, APP STATE, purdue, utah, notre dame, western michigan, southern illinois, gw, vermont, providence, deuekense, kansas by 30.

app state?

clearly not a good conference at the top. please show me another conference that had those kind of losses with teams that finish within a game of the top. you won't.

6/30/2007 1:53:41 PM

Aren't you the same guy trying to argue Myrtle Beach is the best beach in the world in the Lounge???

Because I haven't bothered reading anything you say.

6/30/2007 1:59:16 PM

No, I'm just saying its the best beach in the area and isn't a "terrible" beach like the trolls are implying.

[Edited on June 30, 2007 at 2:06 PM. Reason : lol @ all these tarheels on here getting touchy feely to hear acc wasn't good last year]

6/30/2007 2:02:04 PM

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"weakest conference in America"

I stopped reading after this.

6/30/2007 2:08:12 PM

We crush the Big Ten every year in the Challenge, so we are no where near the worst conference. It's not uncommon for teams in the top half of each conference to have WTF losses, especially early in the year. Carolina wasn't the first No. 1 seed to not make the Final Four, and they won't be the last. Think about the year before when none of the No. 1's made the Final Four. They accomplished more than a lot of other No. 1 seeds by getting to the Elite Eight.

Also just b/c a team from one conference wins the national championship or makes it to the Final Four, doesn't mean that that conference is one of the top conferences in the nation. If that's the case then the CAA was no the third strongest conference in the 2005-06 season, since George Mason made it to there. I guess whenever USC won the national championship in football in the 2004-2005 season then the Pac-10 was obviously the best conference in college football that year.


The ACC had 7 bids last year, and could have had 9 had Clemson not collapsed, and FSU got another win. FSU was a dangerous team and beat Florida earlier in the year.

[Edited on June 30, 2007 at 2:21 PM. Reason : ]

6/30/2007 2:15:02 PM

^Pure nonsense. Do you even know why the ACC has a reputation of being a good basketball conference? It's because we regularly put several teams into the sweet 16 and at least one team into the final four.

That was our greatness. Now that we haven't done that, faggots like yourself are trying to change the standard of greatness. The only problem is that people who aren't complete homers don't give a shit about regular season accolades that no one remembers. (# of teams in is especially meaningless because the selection committee gives the ACC the benefit of the doubt because of past greatness)

In no way, shape, or form does having the most teams ranked 20-40 make us the best basketball conference. You will never be able to convince any sane person of that. That's the only accolade the ACC can claim from last year -- pretty pathetic.

Other than the big 10, the other major conferences did a lot more than put just 1 team very far -- they had several teams in the sweet 16 and put teams in the higher rounds (aka the things we used to do when we were strong). Your argument about george mason or USC is a strawman.

[Edited on June 30, 2007 at 3:22 PM. Reason : l;']

6/30/2007 3:12:18 PM