No you don't draft the best player you draft what your team needs. Thats why people draft offensive lineman in the first round. If you were the Atlanta Falcons and you had Mick Vick, and Matt Schuab you would not go and get Brady Quinn because he was the best pick in the draft. You pick according to team needs.

6/25/2007 11:54:38 AM

Some teams believe in drafting for need, some teams subscribe to the "best available" paradigm. Some teams flip-flop.

6/25/2007 11:58:04 AM

IM GONNA SUCK BUSH'S COCK IN ALL CAPS SO IT LOOKS LIKE IM SERIOUS

6/25/2007 1:39:22 PM

I dont think you can make accurate assumptions after only one year...I'd say 3-5 year mark is when you really know if the drafted player is somewhat living up to his potential

6/25/2007 1:42:14 PM

mario will have his coming out party this year. he should be much better with his foot healed up, a year of experience and okoye starting opposite of him.

^ and i would say it only takes 3 yrs. if you don't perform as a #1 overall in 4 years then 99% of analysts will call you a bust.

6/25/2007 1:59:04 PM

it seems as of June 25, 2007 (today) that the better argument would be Bush or Young, since they clearly were the two best rookies last year

ps: I was one of THE BIGGEST Mario supporters/apologists

but like Adam Morrison, you can't just give up on them after one year

I mean Julius Peppers didnt have a great rookie year Peppers had 12 sacks and 5 FF

6/25/2007 2:02:17 PM

i can piss farther than yall

6/25/2007 2:04:16 PM

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"oh right... b/c he was such a great distraction. more like 'hey, how can we keep the bush hype up while he's not doing shit?'"

I AM NOT JUMPING ON THE BUSH BANDWAGON BUT AS USUAL ALL THE STAT GEEKS AND MARIO APOLOGISTS ARE GOING TO SAY BUSH DIDN'T DO SHIT.....

HE DID DO SHIT...HE WAS A KEY FACTOR IN HELPING HIS TEAM GET TO THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP...

A PLAYER LIKE BUSH THAT CAN BEAT YOU SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS CHANGES YOUR WHOLE GAME....

LOOK AT RANDLE EL FOR THE STEELERS...HE NEVER PUT UP HUGE NUMBERS BUT I BET BILL COWER WILL ADMIT THAT HE ADDED ANOTHER DIMENSIONS TO THE OFFENSE BECAUSE HE COULD BEAT YOU BY EITHER THROWING, CATCHING OR RUNNING ON ANY PLAY

6/25/2007 2:38:29 PM

caps lock is above shift on the left side of the keyboard. if you get confused as to your left and right, the hand that makes an L with your thumb and index finger is the left.

6/25/2007 2:45:13 PM

Maybe he is really mad???

6/25/2007 2:55:52 PM

nah he always types like that. the only way to tell when he is mad is to shit on the steelers and he wigs out like you just slapped his mother

6/25/2007 3:04:21 PM

oh so he failed typing and computers in high school. It must be hard to find the Caps Lock key.

6/25/2007 3:06:15 PM

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"Bush or Young, since they clearly were the two best rookies last year"

Bush wasn't even the best rookie on his team. Maybe out of Bush/Mario/Young they were the two best rookies.

6/25/2007 4:07:13 PM

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"it seems as of June 25, 2007 (today) that the better argument would be Bush or Young, since they clearly were the two best rookies last year"

Maurice Jones-Drew was much more impressive than Bush last year. He had more total yards, more touchdowns, and averaged 2 more yards per carry.

Hell, Joseph Addai was better than Bush last year if you look at the numbers.

But let the hype machine continue...

6/25/2007 4:10:38 PM

^^basically...although colston didnt do as much the 2nd half of the year

^yeah i dunno about drew but addai definitely balled out...i'm not a bush hyper, but by the end of the year he seemed to have a feel for the league better

6/25/2007 4:16:09 PM

Lets be honest, picking Hakeem Olajuwon over Jordan was the worst draft mistake of all time

6/25/2007 4:33:43 PM

True. But at least Hakeem still did pretty well.

6/25/2007 4:47:12 PM

i'm pretty sure #1 and #3 in the 84 draft did just fine and the sarcasm was Portland picking Big Retard from Kentucky at #2

6/25/2007 5:00:32 PM

The fact that Mario didn't even have the most sacks on his team last year is what makes him a bust....so far. When you are the #1 pick and you get taken before obviously better players, Bush and Young. You better come out and fucking dominate LT style. Which Mario didn't do. He got hurt, and caved under the pressure. Unless he comes out and has one of the best seasons ever in his position in the next 2 years, I agree, this will be one of the worst #1 picks ever.

6/25/2007 5:14:00 PM

he's already better than ryan leaf

2 td's and 15 int's as a rookie

mario is nowhere near that bad

6/25/2007 5:32:05 PM

Leaf didn't go #1

6/25/2007 5:32:54 PM

oh yeah, peyton, dur, nm

6/25/2007 5:37:10 PM

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"The fact that Mario didn't even have the most sacks on his team last year is what makes him a bust."

I'd like to know what rookie DE does lead his team in sacks, maybe Peppers a few years back???

6/25/2007 6:49:37 PM

Mark Anderson and Tamba Hali led their teams in sacks last year.

[Edited on June 25, 2007 at 6:57 PM. Reason : 2]

6/25/2007 6:57:06 PM

Once again. When you go #1 over guys like Young and Bush, you better come out and dominate teams. Mario barely had his head above water. So far he has been hurt, and underperformed. I still don't see how so many people on here think he is just going to bust out and be the best defensive player in the league next year. Its also sad when the only time you get mentioned on SportsCenter is for being a bust, then you get even more time for racing your Lambo. Atleast The U players get arrested to make the news.

6/25/2007 7:31:51 PM

You know David Robinson was drafted 1st overall by the Spurs in 1987 and he didn't even score a single point in 1987 or 1988

6/25/2007 8:05:29 PM

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"I think, regardless of your team needs, you need to pick the best player"

that is stupid.

6/25/2007 8:06:17 PM

^its partially true

lets say the sonics had yao and the blazers picked durant...the sonics still would pick oden (unless they traded)

but of course the Knicks shouldn't pick another SG and the Hawks shouldn't get another SF

6/25/2007 8:08:39 PM

positions mean a lot less in basketball than in football, though. i never bought into the brady quinn hype, but he was supposed to be the most nfl ready player in the draft, and no one took him b/c no one needed a qb. same thing.

6/25/2007 8:12:59 PM

yeah but its still partially true...obviously it depends on who is available and what you need but there would be basically zero reason for the sonics not to pick oden/durant (depending on who portland takes)...if there is a player that good you have to take them...but if there isnt a standout then you draft on need and quality

6/25/2007 8:17:51 PM

the thing about oden and durant though, is that one's a big man and one's a scorer, so unless you have allstars at every position and nothing at PG, you're probably going to take one of those.

the texans took what they felt they needed to start building a good team, and that was defense.

6/25/2007 8:22:04 PM

yeah time will tell for mario and the texans and state fans (including myself) will wish him the best even if sometimes we come off as being big homers

6/25/2007 8:41:59 PM

really though, anything short of a pro bowl season and he was going to get lit up.

he was a bust in the media before he showed up to the first practice.

6/25/2007 8:44:18 PM

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"the texans took what they felt they needed to start building a good team, and that was defense."

No point in drafting him #1 though, when you could trade down, get Marion and another player/cash

6/25/2007 11:09:31 PM

This is stupid everyone is saying that he should not have been #1. Okay so Reggie Bush who didn't have a great season should have been taken #1 then?? He had i would say worse of a year than Mario did. Trade down and get something in return for the #1 pick? Thats only if that would work if the Saints knew the texans had no interest in Bush they wouldn't trade up to get a player they would get with the second pick. Yince young had a great first season but this year I doubt he will be as good as he was last year.

6/26/2007 8:48:02 AM

I WOULD HARDLY CALL 1307 YDS FROM SCRIMMAGE AND 9 TDS A BAD ROOKIE YEAR....THE GUY HAD MORE CATCHES THAN MOST WR'S?? AND HIS TEAM WON GAMES

^I USED TO THINK TREE TWISTA WAS THE MOST PATHETIC HOMER BUT YOU TAKE THE CAKE


MARIO PLAYED LIKE SHIT ON A SHITTY TEAM......

HE DIDN'T EVEN DOMINATE WHILE HE WAS IN COLLEGE....HE IS JUST ANOTHER COMBINE FREAK THAT WILL NEVER GET IT DONE ON THE FIELD..

IF HE IS SUCH A DOMINANT PLAYER THEN WHY DID NCSU LOSE 6 GAMES HIS FINAL YEAR????

6/26/2007 9:21:34 AM

Drew Brees made that team

In hindsight though I wish Bush had gone to the Texans so he could run around sideways all game and get his ass handed to him behind that shitty O-Line

Bush wasn't the best rookie on the Saints last year and he wasn't their best running back either

Brees + Deuce + Colston = NFC Championship game

And once again IHATESPIDA removes Reggie's cock from his mouth just long enough to suck his balls....I heard Steve Slaton is coming over later to fuck him in the ass

PS: Jerome Bettis and Hines Ward are homosexuals

6/26/2007 10:15:58 AM

yeah, ^^^ is dumb, and I think Mario had a decent year considering the injuries, but to say Bush didnt have a really good rookie year is just being a fucking homer, and I cant stand homers

6/26/2007 10:19:57 AM

Homers are almost as bad as people like IHATESPIDA who cant talk right now because he has Reggie's dick back in his mouth...before he started slobbin he said something about wanting to be his Ciara, whatever that means

6/26/2007 10:21:07 AM

^^^^Dude, Id like you to say that to Mario's face.... have you seen the guy up close, in person?
A monster like that will put up big #'s sooner or later unless he stays injured...

Mario's problem : That Texans D-line has talent but is young as hell and had no leader much less any history of success to use as a baseline to grow upon. They expected him to come in and be a leader (while injured) (after sub-par coaching in college) and while still basically being a big kid (and being singled out for double coverage at the line all season).

Compare him to Peppers who had great veteran leadership to learn from day one in the pros (Ruck, Buck, etc) and was in peak condition for practically his first two seasons (and playing in the NFC).

Props to Vince Young though, he's just as young as Mario and showed great leadership for that Titans team towards the end of the year. Bush cannot be even considered a top rookie last year because of the Vince Young show : Vince showed way more upside suceeding on a much less talented team while playing a much tougher position.

[Edited on June 26, 2007 at 10:22 AM. Reason : ^]

6/26/2007 10:22:18 AM

THIS GUY IS 6-4, 340 LBS.

THESE AREN'T EXACTLY "BIG NUMBERS".....THIS IS WHAT MARIO HAS TO LOOK FORWARD TO...

IN 13 FULL SEASONS BIG DUDDY HAS AVERAGED 23 TACKLES PER YEAR AND 4.2 SACKS PER YEAR....


MARIO WENT FROM BEING INJURED TO NOT BEING COACHED WELL...HOW MANY MORE EXCUSES CAN YOU HOMERS MAKE FOR THIS LOSER...IF HE WAS CHOSEN IN THE 2ND ROUND OF THE DRAFT I COULD UNDERSTAND...BUT THIS GUY WAS PICKED #1 WITH YOUNG, LIENHART AND BUSH WERE ON THE TABLE....ALL THREE OF THESE PLAYERS WILL HAVE MUCH BETTER CAREERS THAN WILLIAMS

YOU HAVE TO BE MORE THAN JUST "BIG" TO COMPETE IN THE NFL

6/26/2007 12:47:04 PM

NOW IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME I HAVE TO GO HYPE UP MY SHITTY TOOTHLESS BIG EAST FOOTBALL PROGRAM WHO IS A SURE LOCK TO RUN THE TABLE AND BEAT RUTGERS AND LOUISVILLE EVERY YEAR

6/26/2007 12:55:01 PM

^^ Young was overlooked by another team, and Leinart, well there are several teams that overlooked him, not just Houston. I like how Houston is a bunch of idiots and the other teams that passed on Young get a pass, as well as the multiple teams that passed on Leinart. In 15 years when each player's career is over, the only guy Houston and Houston alone is responsible for not getting would be Bush, because at least two other teams passed on Young and several on Leinart, but way to single out Houston, congratulations on basing your opinions on whatever ESPN tells you word for word, Stuart Scott says thanks

6/26/2007 1:05:02 PM

If I was to draft a running back I would sure as hell Hope he would lead my team in rushing yards like reggie bush did. Or lead my team in Catches and reciving yards like Bush did. Oh wait no he didn't Don't give Bush props for being a running back when he was a slot WR also you don't know much about football. Your D-lineman's job is to draw double teams and free up the Linebackers to make tackles. He needs to create more pressure and cause problems in the back field. I am not saying he was the best rookie by any means but I am saying Reggie Bush didn't have a good season either.

6/26/2007 2:07:01 PM

^ yes he did. Out of all the RBs selected in last years draft he was better than the average, therefore he had a good rookie year. And it doesnt matter if they moved him out to the slot a lot or not, it still counts towards having a "good year"

6/26/2007 2:14:10 PM

he had a good year...course he was reggie bush...he shouldve had the best rookie year ever given the hype

also the point is, you cant just say "omg he had more catches than most WRs and he was a running back!" when you're ignoring that Deuce McAllister was the running back and he was on some other shit

6/26/2007 2:23:37 PM

Quote :

"Your D-lineman's job is to draw double teams and free up the Linebackers to make tackles"

THAT'S THE DT'S JOB YOU DUMBASS....STUPID FUCKING HOMER....

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE MARIO DOMINATE THIS YEAR....OH WAIT HE IS ON ONE OF THE WORST FRANCHISES IN THE NFL SO NONE OF THEIR GAMES WILL BE TELEVISED...

YOU SUCK WOLFPACK1100

6/26/2007 2:34:22 PM

Ugh. Thread turns into Bush vs. Mario and everybody vs. AllCapsSpida. /lame

6/26/2007 2:37:24 PM

Steve Smith only had 10 receptions his rookie year...he'll never be arguably the best wide receiver in the NFL

also I like how IHATESPIDA, who didnt go to WVU, is slobbing Southern Cal's cock (another school he didnt go to), on an NC State messageboard/]

6/26/2007 2:38:12 PM

^^^Mario did play as a down lineman on a lot of plays last year. This year he is supposed to play right end exclusively. That should help his play out a lot to only concentrate on DE.

And most DE's draw at least a chip by the RB/FB if not a full double team. It's not just DTs that get doubled.

[Edited on June 26, 2007 at 2:56 PM. Reason : ^]

6/26/2007 2:56:24 PM