exactly...good informational design should be pie

7/14/2007 12:52:08 AM

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"see thats bullshit the inner & outer beltine works better cause east in 10 miles starts going west and that should never happen inner & outter or clockwise and counter. thats all you should have on a round mother fucking road. "

I agreee, but on another note altogether, Traverse City(where this firm is based) is an incredible place to visit during their 10 weeks of warm weather.

It is easily one of the most beautiful cities I have ever visited.

7/14/2007 1:10:35 AM

Inner/Outer is far superior to East/West...no fucking contest.

7/14/2007 5:18:22 AM

^^yeah Traverse city is a VERY nice place

7/14/2007 10:25:30 PM

probably because all the bums freeze to death during the winter

7/14/2007 10:36:50 PM

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"did anyone stop to consider that they may have said more than just the few examples the article gave? maybe they actually did a lot of work for 200 grand. I am all about hating on big gov't but not without good reason...."

corbin also did the physical signage/wayfinding design and (at least contracted) the construction for Fayetteville street. don't know if this 200k was a part of that.

7/17/2007 12:56:53 PM

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"see thats bullshit the inner & outer beltine works better cause east in 10 miles starts going west and that should never happen inner & outter or clockwise and counter. thats all you should have on a round mother fucking road. "

i agree. nothing more frustrating than driving in a city youve never been to and taking HighwayX North thinking youre going to go North and end up going south for a couple exits and realize you have to turn around. (greenville, SC where i live now, this happened to me when i first interviewed here heh)

7/17/2007 1:01:36 PM

I love how the people in this thread arguing for these changes have either:
A) never lived in a big city
or
B) know jackshit about traffic flow.

Loneshark, joe_schmoe and a few others have some sense thank god.

[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 1:44 PM. Reason : k]

7/17/2007 1:44:01 PM

It's not a fucking loop. It's 3 highways. Why not just keep I40 e/w, stick to US1 n/s, and I440 e/w? (kind of like the "inner loop" in charlotte)


I540/640/840 is an actual loop. It should retain 'inner' and 'outer'.



I have lived in a large city and traffic engineers don't know shit about building neighborhoods/communities.

7/17/2007 3:56:27 PM

^Look if you can follow the 440 signs, which is something a 5 yr old can do, then you're just dealing with semantics.

7/17/2007 8:45:50 PM

i guess its a moot point. the decision to change it has been made. all thats left to do is finish changing the signs.

since theyve removed the part of I440 concurrent along I40 south of raleigh, it makes sense to call it I440 E/W, since it only exists across the northern half of raleigh now.

i didnt have any problem with it being an inner/outer loop but i can see how it might confuse the fuck out of visitors. especially with the new 540 being continually referred to as "outer"

7/17/2007 9:22:04 PM

Oh shit, so these "suggestions" are being carried out? Or just the I-440 one. God help us if they take away the one way streets in downtown.

7/17/2007 11:23:28 PM

^ im just sayin about I440 the decision has (apparently) already been made and is being implemented

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_440_(North_Carolina)

....

but one way streets downtown are vital for relieving traffic bottlenecks in any moderately sized city. any second-year civil engineering student knows that.

i cant believe that was a serious suggestion.




[Edited on July 17, 2007 at 11:33 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2007 11:30:52 PM

You've got to Love Noen.

He's trying hard to be next Guth.

Quote :

"200K for a report like this isn't a waste."

Please pay me fifty dollars a day to give you sage common sense advice.

7/18/2007 2:41:30 PM

I'm not trying hard to be the next anyone.

You don't have any more of a clue what the actual report contains more than I do. However, having worked for a firm that does this kind of work, I can tell you that the numbers back up these kinds of expenditures time and time again. Government agencies especially, hire out consulting firms to do these reports because they have a track record of high ROI from them.

7/18/2007 7:53:20 PM

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"Government agencies hire out consulting firms to do these reports because they have a track record of high ROI from them."

The DOT people obviously aren't reading the reports on how to avoid graft and corruption and incompetence.

7/18/2007 10:42:05 PM

these plans cost a little more

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"Grand Central Terminal in Raleigh? City Leaders Say Maybe Posted: Today at 7:39 p.m. Updated: Today at 7:52 p.m. Raleigh — Raleigh has a Greyhound station, a transit station at Moore Square and an Amtrak station. A new proposal could combine the three into a major transportation hub with the feel of Grand Central Terminal. The city council recently signed off on a plan to study an area near Boylan Heights to see just how grand the hub could be. Boylan Wye, a spot on the western edge of Downtown Raleigh where several rail lines connect, is a prime location for what planners say could be the city's next big thing. “The desire is to have what we call a multi-modal facility – what you might call your Grand Central Station,” said Raleigh Planning Director Mitchell Silver. The grand plan would create a shopping-mall-like atmosphere where the services of the local Amtrak, Greyhound, TTA and city buses would meld. Planners are also considering the possibility of a high-speed rail project that might pass through the city. But does Raleigh need something like a Grand Central Terminal? “We will in the future,” said Mayor Charles Meeker. “Raleigh is becoming a mid-size city. We’re going to need some way to coordinate local bus service with Greyhound bus service.” Meeker pointed to growth in downtown. By 2010, the city predicts 10,000 people will live there – up from 1,500 in 2003. Council member Jesse Taliaferro said she is banking on the results of a study to determine if Raleigh will break the bank for the project. “We’re not going to do something we can’t pay for,” she said. “We have to look at what are the needs. What are the best ways to serve those needs?” On Tuesday, the council approved a contract with HDR Architecture, Inc. for planning and a development strategy for the multi-modal transportation center. The firm will prepare a feasibility study and conceptual drawings for the complex along with a development strategy for properties in the vicinity of the center near the Boylan Heights neighborhood. The contract is for more than $263,000, according to the city. The plan and drawings are scheduled to be presented to the council by early summer of 2008."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1608722/

i think this seems like a pretty good idea. now if they could get a light rail system that goes through this thing AND the airport, we'd be getting somewhere.

[Edited on July 18, 2007 at 11:31 PM. Reason : link]

7/18/2007 11:30:46 PM

No light rail! In raleigh such would be a waste of money. If you want, expand the bus network with perhaps dedicated roads, but rail costs a shit-ton of money and only goes where it goes.

7/19/2007 8:08:38 AM