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7/18/2007 8:54:31 AM

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"and a shit load of drunk students."

Wow, you really are an idiot aren't you?

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"Having all the drunk students walking through the fairgrounds and disrupting all the other people's tailgates would be a worse problem than now."

What? This is about as moronic as it gets for various reasons. Opposing fans are more likely to get in the stadium well ahead of the kids that are bonging those last few beers before they have to walk to the game.

Furthermore, how is the negative exposure for opposing fans any different if they have to walk through "F bomb alley" or if "F bomb alley" walks through them? Durr.

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"IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BE EXPOSED TO "F-BOMB ALLEY" WHY DO THEY WALK DIRECTLY THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT GO DOWN THE SIDE OF THE FUCKING ROAD LIKE THE OTHER THOUSANDS OF VISITING FANS AND SAVE US ALL THE TROUBLE"

We play different teams every year, and I am sure every year new and different fans are coming to our games. Sometimes they might park up near Cardinal Gibbons, sometimes in the VET lot, etc. I doubt people are walking through the fairgrounds (where they have no clue it is overrun by testosterone infused fuckbags) expecting to be berated with expletives because they are wearing their opposing teams colors.

[Edited on July 18, 2007 at 10:09 AM. Reason : are*]

7/18/2007 10:08:55 AM

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"expecting to be berated with expletives because they are wearing their opposing teams colors."

remind me never to send you to a game in philadelphia, even though they named the tom hanks movie after your butt aids

7/18/2007 10:22:09 AM

While conceding the fairgrounds (or a portion thereof) to visiting fans may sound like a good compromise, it has it's serious practical problems.

1) Even though visiting fans may not be as familiar with the environs, at least when parking at the vet school they have the option on whether or not to walk through the fairgrounds/student tailgates or down the road. It fairly well-known (and easy to determine when you get there) that the fairgrounds lot is primarily students. Contrast this with a scenario of the "problem students" walking directly through their tailgate area whether they like it or not. Also, in my experience visiting fans that walk through the fairgrounds have chosen to do that b/c a) it doesn't bother them, or b) they want to do a little taunting, trash talking, or good-natured ribbing themselves.

I tailgated at the visitor lot one game last year (forgot my parking permit:beatup and a game the year before, and it seemed to be a much more laid back atmosphere for visitor tailgates, and there seemed to be pretty friendly tailgates. Now maybe this was b/c these games were not against rivals, but I tend to think that having that atmosphere and choosing which approach to take to the stadium is better for visitors than most of the students walking directly through their tailgates, if in fact the students are causing the problems.

2) You are ignoring the fact that the visitor lots become the visitor lots because they don't require parking permits. Who do you think would be in the fairgrounds lot if there were no parking permits for it (have you been here more than one year)? Practically speaking, unless you come up with some solution that gets special parking permits to visitors whether they get tickets through their own school or not, visitor parking will be non-permitted free or cash parking lots.

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Also, be ready for plenty of nuisance caused by the trash that is Louisville Cardinal fans, if the Orange Bowl was any indication. At least some of their older alums seemed friendly.

7/18/2007 10:57:13 AM

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"We play different teams every year, and I am sure every year new and different fans are coming to our games. Sometimes they might park up near Cardinal Gibbons, sometimes in the VET lot, etc. I doubt people are walking through the fairgrounds (where they have no clue it is overrun by testosterone infused fuckbags) expecting to be berated with expletives because they are wearing their opposing teams colors."

1) the LARGE majority of opposing fans that walk through the fairground lot egg the students on, and its all in fun. everyone i've seen laughs, yells back and forth and its ok.

2) Just for the reasons you stated, i propose to make a big ass 4'x8' sign for both ends of the main part of the fairgrounds lot which reads:

"WARNING: YOU ARE NOW ENTERING F-BOMB ALLEY. ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK"

just like people with beware of dog signs or posted no trespassing
just think, over time it could become a new NC State tradition!!1

[Edited on July 18, 2007 at 11:17 AM. Reason : .]

7/18/2007 11:17:29 AM

please don't do that

7/18/2007 11:33:49 AM

come on guys sports should be about friendship and being polite! it doesnt matter if you win or lose, but how courteous you are to the opposing fans coming into your house!

/sarcasm / pussification

7/18/2007 11:37:58 AM

If doesnt matter what is done (if anything), opposing fans will always be heckled....some teams more than others, but the vast majority heckle in fun or dont do anything. Last year we got out to the lot across from Wendy's for the FSU game about 7 hrs beforehand. This guy and his girlfriend from FSU drove up from Tallahassee and pulled up beside us and started asking us where the stadium was, yada yada. They ended up tailgating with us and everybody had a blast. Nobody insulted them. You bet your ass we heckled them, and they did it right back. Shared a nice number of beer bongs together too. Now if it would have been a UNC fan.....

7/18/2007 11:48:24 AM

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"Even though visiting fans may not be as familiar with the environs, at least when parking at the vet school they have the option on whether or not to walk through the fairgrounds/student tailgates or down the road. "

This makes no sense. Ok, maybe now that we are being branded as "F bomb alley", some people that have never been here or are not very familiar with VET/Fairgrounds parking will know to avoid it having heard the "talk" about it, but what about all the people that aren't aware?

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"It fairly well-known (and easy to determine when you get there) that the fairgrounds lot is primarily students"

I disagree that it is fairly well known. Also, you and I both know, having been in the scene not too long ago, that todays students are apparently rowdier, more aggressive, and more vulgar than they were in decades past. Forty and 50 somethings returning to their alma mater with their kids and grand kids in tow however do not know this, and why should they? These are the very people that Stafford/Fowler are getting emails from when they are appalled. I can't imagine any of these folks after finding themselves in the student section (without knowing we have been "labeled") saying "oh dear, we need to get out of the student tailgating, it isn't safe/cordial/friendly here until AFTER they get the f bomb dropped on em.

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"You are ignoring the fact that the visitor lots become the visitor lots because they don't require parking permits. Who do you think would be in the fairgrounds lot if there were no parking permits for it (have you been here more than one year)? Practically speaking, unless you come up with some solution that gets special parking permits to visitors whether they get tickets through their own school or not, visitor parking will be non-permitted free or cash parking lots."

Take alumni who are now being put up in Cardinal Gibbons or just not getting a chance at a permit in the fairgrounds lot (means more revenue for the school). Give CG to the visitors so when they walk to the stadium, they walk through the LTR holders and alumni. The students get stuck out in the VET lot and they walk through the fairgrounds of our own fans.

Sprinkle in some extra ALE into the VET lots to try and get the exceptionally drunken bastards and we have a workable solution for everyone.

7/18/2007 11:58:31 AM

http://www.ncsu.edu/orientation/traditions/traditions.htm

7/18/2007 9:54:00 PM

omg that is so clever!

7/19/2007 8:08:25 AM

i enjoyed booing opposing fans more that calling them worthless cunts

7/19/2007 8:31:46 AM

I guess what Stafford's group must not understand is this:

Opposing fans always create drama when they travel with their team to other schools (especially when they beat that other school on their home turf). It does work both ways, too. Try getting out of FSU/GT/UNC/MD/BC/even VT without being heckled and you cannot do it....

The main difference between Pack fans and other ACC school's fans is that when opposing teams' fans try to rally, we won't have that shit. We don't hesitate to respond no matter how nitty gritty it gets. We will not sit back and be like "hey look at those rowdy UNC fans over there trying to mock our team and fans in our own stadium. I wish they would just be quiet and I wish I had the balls to do something about it... oh well..." It ends up being more like "goddamn those tarhole pricks over there in that ghey-ass blue who think they are big shit. Lets go get em boys cause we don't take kindly to that shit on our own turf or on theirs" ~ I wonder which approach Stafford would want us to take??

[Edited on July 19, 2007 at 12:43 PM. Reason : xtra]

7/19/2007 12:41:41 PM

i believe stafford prefers we take the "bend over" approach. much like he position he has forced students into since he arrived here.

7/19/2007 1:04:28 PM

http://ncst.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2656431712

7/19/2007 1:22:02 PM

No comments on my suggestion for moving the fans around?

7/19/2007 1:35:00 PM

send it to stafford. problem is, it won't change the time limits. we'll have the same limits, just be further from the stadium. IF he even read your email.

[Edited on July 19, 2007 at 1:42 PM. Reason : wolfpack in tha HOOOOOOOWWWWWSSEEE = ultraGAY]

7/19/2007 1:41:03 PM

N.C. STATE FOOTBALL
Pack patrol: Tailgate nicely
Pregame courtesy crew to reinforce good behavior
JOSH SHAFFER
(Raleigh) News & Observer

RALEIGH --Hot wings? Check. Fried Twinkies? Check. Twelve-pack? Check.

Just don't forget your good behavior.

This fall, N.C. State University will send a crew of red-vested volunteers through Wolfpack football tailgate parties to promote courtesy and sportsmanship.

They won't be adjunct cops, officials are careful to explain, and they won't be tussling with out-of-control fans.

"They're not supposed to put anybody in a headlock and handcuffs," NCSU spokesman Keith Nichols said. "The goal is more to reinforce good behavior."

Students see the WITH Partners Program -- which stands for Wolfpack in the House -- as an alternative to the restricted hours that hampered tailgating last year.

N.C. State strictly enforced a four-hour limit at games last year to curb alcohol problems, a rule established following a 2004 shooting that killed two non-students in a parking lot outside an N.C. State football game.

Two N.C. State students were convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison.

Chancellor James Oblinger approved an extra hour for the 2007 season along with the football ambassador program, hoping the combined changes would create a safer, friendlier atmosphere.

"I think the program is a great opportunity to shed light on all the positive students we have at N.C. State," said Zach Adams, senior class president.

Student Body President Bobby Mills added that four hours wasn't considered long enough to cook a pig at tailgate parties. If the new WITH program fails, fans might also lose the extra hour that comes with it.

The 40 volunteers will be assigned to specific zones at Carter-Finley Stadium or the State Fairgrounds parking lots, taking pictures of appropriate tailgaters and handing out information on sportsmanship, said Dick Christy, assistant athletic director.

Ideas they will encourage: Respecting referees and visitors, cheering loudly but with appropriate language, and respecting fellow Wolfpack fans, especially young ones.

Nichols said they would likely report tailgating rule-breakers, such as fans with kegs or flammable tents, by cellular phone to police.

Mills said he doubts they will be taunted or jeered.

"People will realize the reason they're there and not berate them to any major degree," he said.

WITH volunteers could be students, alumni or anyone associated with the Wolfpack family, Mills said.

Asked about them Friday, sophomore Edward Godfrey said he doubts volunteers will be much of a bother.

"As long as they're not out there policing, they're not going to get in my way," he said. "But if they're going to be messing with me or my doings, that's not OK. If you're trashed, causing a nuisance, maybe you shouldn't be there. But it's not (the volunteers') place."


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can we all make signs for the games that say Stafford Sucks?

8/7/2007 11:04:44 AM

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"Students see the WITH Partners Program -- which stands for Wolfpack in the House -- as an alternative to the restricted hours that hampered tailgating last year."

So five hours isn't restricted hours?

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"Two N.C. State students were convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison."

OK, one shooter (and neither victim) was an NCSU student.

[Edited on August 7, 2007 at 11:23 AM. Reason : just googled the shooters]

8/7/2007 11:17:23 AM

DO YOU HAVE YOUR HALL PASS YOUNG MAN


What a retarded idea.....but if it doesn't work (which it probably won't) will the tailgating be cut back again?

8/7/2007 11:21:01 AM

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"Nichols said they would likely report tailgating rule-breakers, such as fans with kegs or flammable tents, by cellular phone to police."

I thought they got rid of that flammable tent bull

8/7/2007 11:30:47 AM

I could really care less about a silly PR stunt to stroke Tom Stafford's ego, as long as some hall monitor doesn't try to light my tent on fire or otherwise bother a peaceful tailgate. In that case, things will get ugly. Anyone know if they are wearing Jim Tressel sweater-vests or Lowe's employee style vests? Could be a funny sight.



It's good to know though, that at least Stafford is using an objective measure of "things improving".

8/7/2007 11:47:50 AM

HERE IS AN IDEA FOR THE OPPOSING FANS: IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE HECKLED DONT WALK IN A PARKING LOT FULL OF DRUNK COLLEGE STUDENTS


its so stupid, its like in those horror films, if you dont wanna die dont go see whats in the dark cave.

so dumb...walk on the other side of the road and not where you see a sea of red, how stupid.

8/7/2007 12:48:00 PM

I don't get why those guys shooting those other guys is all hilarious to fans at other schools but you don't see them taunting VT fans with "lol Seung-Hui Cho you guys are a bunch of pussies that couldnt even keep from getting shot"

8/7/2007 1:01:27 PM

uhhhhh.............




anyways, lets bake a GIGANTIC BANNER that covers Section 7 that says STAFFORD SUCKS!

8/7/2007 1:14:11 PM

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"OK, one shooter (and neither victim) was an NCSU student."

yeah they fixed it:

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"N.C. State strictly enforced a four-hour limit at games last year to curb alcohol problems, a rule that sprang from a 2004 shooting in the State Fairgrounds parking lot that killed two non-students."

8/7/2007 1:14:29 PM

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"I don't get why those guys shooting those other guys is all hilarious to fans at other schools but you don't see them taunting VT fans with "lol Seung-Hui Cho you guys are a bunch of pussies that couldnt even keep from getting shot""

i've made a similar point to a number of my friends - the VT shooting was/is a horrible tragedy, but the tailgate shooting was immediately and remains a point of mockery for the rest of the ACC (esp. our classless neighbors down I-40). it blows my mind to think that people see that two marines got shot by a couple of druggies (who weren't even attending the game!) and say "hey haha lets fuck with them state boys for the next 10 years. buncha dumb drunken rednecks and their tailgate shootouts!" i actually met people from UNC who were CONCERNED THEY WERE GOING TO GET SHOT simply by attending one of our games.

i mean lets face it - i'll probably get flamed, but to an extent the VT shooting was more preventable than the tailgate shootings. they were both isolated incidents, but b/c ours happened at a football game, and there happened to be booze there, it gets thrown in our face rather than mourned appropriately.

i just don't see how a tool in a vest is going to prevent a freak incident like a shooting from taking place, unless their red vest is kevlar.

8/7/2007 4:47:26 PM

someone make this

8/7/2007 5:32:41 PM

haha. I think I'll make a flag out of that for my cb antenna.

8/7/2007 5:53:13 PM

^^if you make that into a t-shirt, i will be the first in line to buy one

8/7/2007 7:37:58 PM

i will be the second. can anyone send me that in a PDF?

8/7/2007 7:42:28 PM

if you make that into a t-shirt, nc state licensing & trademark'll have a field day

8/7/2007 7:43:06 PM

if nc state decided to sue me for my photoshops, id be broke more broke

[Edited on August 7, 2007 at 7:54 PM. Reason : well...]

8/7/2007 7:53:56 PM

lol shit

if i make that into a shirt they are not going to do shit

cause they wont know about it

8/7/2007 7:58:40 PM

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"Nichols said they would likely report tailgating rule-breakers, such as fans with kegs or flammable tents, by cellular phone to police."

snitches

8/7/2007 8:01:31 PM

Incentive for the volunteers?

8/7/2007 11:28:09 PM

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"F-Bomb Alley Update ….. “Tailgating Volunteers wearing red vests” is the latest whiz bang idea from “Tailgate Tommy” Stafford’s Ignore The Obvious Committee. Yep, NC State’s infamous bureaucratic clown, “Tailgate Tommy”, will be dispatching red-vested volunteers all around Carter-Finley to instruct Wuff-football fans how to tailgate properly and fire-retardantly. In case you’ve forgotten …. The obvious solution from day one (except to TTS) was simply “put 6-8 NCHP officers in the one clearly defined area where all the problems take place”. “Tailgate Tommy” announced recently that he has been working for TWENTY YEARS to designate a clubhouse on the NCSU campus for Lesbians, Gays, Trans and Bis to be able to meet and "do whatever they do". “TWENTY YEARS” for that pet project of Tommy’s ….. and we expect him to solve this one before Daniel Evans’ has grandchildren ??? "

http://www.bobleesays.com/RunScript.asp?page=45&Article_ID=431&AR=AR&p=ASP\~Pg45.asp

Not a BLS fan, but notable that even the UNC crowd sees how stupid this little campaign is.

8/20/2007 4:15:02 AM

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"Stafford is a million times better than Brian Koehler. That guy is one of the most condescending individuals I have ever met. He reminds me of Tony Robbins or Shooter McGavin from Happy Gilmore."

agree....

8/20/2007 10:22:54 AM