O ya i forgot, midtown is like the biggest tourist attraction in the world so it sucks. Its just full of trailer trash. My bad.

7/25/2007 10:37:22 AM

^Just because the most people go there doesn't mean it's the best. People who aren't familier with NYC tell you to go to Timesquare. It is the most visited location in the world, and it's funny the only non-american place on Forbes list is London's Trafalgar Square. I had no idea 4 out of the top 5 most visited places in the world were in America. Midtown is alright if you wanna see a bunch of tourists, but after a while, most travelers "grow out" of that phase, and find better places to visit.

Plus you already used the argument "it's the most popular so it's the best!" in regard to Myrtle Beach. Think of another argument why Midtown is the best. I try to avoid it when going to NYC.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 10:51 AM. Reason : .]

7/25/2007 10:45:19 AM

Savannah > Charleston

7/25/2007 10:56:10 AM

Theres no need to think of another argument because its just common knowledge. Everybody else already knows midtown is the best.

you've got more stuff to do. tourists aside you've got the garden, broadway, radio city, all the shows, but midtown is more than just the major tourist attractions you've still got cultured neighborhoods like little brazil and korea then chelsea to switch things up.

7/25/2007 11:12:31 AM

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"Theres no need to think of another argument because its just common knowledge. Everybody else already knows midtown is the best."

I'm not even going to comment on that. You're the only one that thinks that. If you've been around NYC you'd realize there's much better places. Saying midtown is the best part of NYC is just sick and something only a close-minded tourist would say.

Expand your horizon a little and check out the cooler parts of NYC. I assume you took a trip NYC and went to all the popular tourist attractions and called it a day?

You go to the statue of liberty, the empire state building, radio city, central park, and times square and now you think you can say "I've experienced NYC!!". Not true my friend. They need to teach a "how to travel" class at NC State. You should take it.

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"you've still got cultured neighborhoods"

You think the best neighborhoods are near midtown? hmmm.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 11:22 AM. Reason : .]

7/25/2007 11:16:15 AM

Actually,I didn't go to any of those places this time. You just have a serious complex with anything that seems to be popular. I know all the best neighborhoods aren't in midtown but in general overall it is by far the best as opposed to downtown, uptown or some other section or borough. Its not even close. I've been all around all of nyc except most of the bronx. How the fuck do you think places become the most popular in the world anyhow?

And for the record the statue of liberty is not located or viewable in midtown.

What part do you think is better and why?

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"They need to teach a "how to travel" class at NC State. "

ahaha why don't you teach it right now. how do YOU travel? I bet you like all the places nobody goes to. your best part of nyc is probably somewhere in the bronx. I'd be willing to bet lmao.

7/25/2007 11:39:48 AM

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"O ya i forgot, midtown is like the biggest tourist attraction in the world so it sucks. Its just full of trailer trash. My bad."

Look man, you said that in reply to a comment about a comment about where I was going to live. NOBODY wants to live in Mid-Town. That area for the most part has absolutely no personality at all.

In Manhattan how can you beat Greenwich Village, East Village, Little Italy, China Town, TriBeCa, Battery City Park, and the historic financial area? A lot more history downtown and less gentrification.

7/25/2007 1:19:34 PM

^

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"That area for the most part has absolutely no personality at all."

Exactly. Midtown is for tourists who value little more than chain shops and materialism.

7/25/2007 1:45:22 PM

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"A lot more history downtown and less gentrification."

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"Gentrification, or urban gentrification, is a phenomenon in which low-cost, physically deteriorated neighborhoods undergo physical renovation and an increase in property values"

o midtown is full of that god-awful gentrification. more history? depends on what type of history you're talking about. By that logic one could say philly and colonial williamsburg are probably the best places in north america. Downtown is great but its no midtown.


and o by the way

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"Look man, you said that in reply to a comment about a comment about where I was going to live. NOBODY wants to live in Mid-Town. "

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" Travel & Leisure mag's Top 10 cities in US &Canada"

i guess im still in context

7/25/2007 2:30:12 PM

^Leisure can't be applied to housing? I would say you're both in context.

7/25/2007 2:56:45 PM

to him "beach" means "wings and eagles stores and putt putt courses"

7/25/2007 3:00:27 PM

Funny how the same people backing downtown are the same people in the other thread saying banking makes charlotte better than raleigh. Whats so fun about a financial district? Wheres the personality in banking? Arts, shows and entertainment is where the personality is.

7/25/2007 3:07:36 PM

have people really spent such minimal time in charlotte that they just say "blah blah banking blah blah"? fuck banking...its good for the economy but bankers are often douchebags..if you associate a whole city with that well I guess NYC is cool...for stock traders! if you're not a douchebag wallstreeter NYC sucks!

^btw...what "personality" does Myrtle Beach have? It's the personality of a fat northern redneck

7/25/2007 3:10:59 PM

^hahahah

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" fat northern redneck"

Yes they exist.

Oh and we never said banking made Charlotte alone. You could make the argument that all the banking in NYC provided everyone wiith the oppurtunity to expand in terms of "Arts, shows and entertainment". You couldn't have any of that in NYC without the banking.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 3:22 PM. Reason : .]

7/25/2007 3:21:30 PM

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" have you even been to Brooklyn?"

yeah, me and about 3 billion other people have been to brooklyn

7/25/2007 8:25:25 PM

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"Oh and we never said banking made Charlotte alone. You could make the argument that all the banking in NYC provided everyone wiith the oppurtunity to expand in terms of "Arts, shows and entertainment". You couldn't have any of that in NYC without the banking."

yea, you would. there would still be plenty of rich people who care about the arts in New York left over.

7/25/2007 8:51:20 PM

^Umm not really. If you look into the history of broadway, history of museums, and history of any type of art you'll find it strongly subsidized by banks and various sponsers. For example the highschool i went to in Charlotte got 30,000-40,000$ a year for musicals from the Bank of America. This allowed us to put on musicals uptown at the Blumenthal performing arts center. No other magnet highschool in the state has that type of oppurtunity.

Oh and those "rich people" you speak of who care about art, like art collectors and show sponsers are usually stock brokers or bankers. All the money has to come from somewhere, and it usually doesn't come from ticket sales.

[Edited on July 25, 2007 at 9:09 PM. Reason : .]

7/25/2007 9:05:32 PM

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"Chicago represent"

I like how this thread turned into arguing about NYC; typical

7/25/2007 11:09:50 PM

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"yeah, me and about 3 billion other people have been to brooklyn"

wait, werent you talking about how great Chicago is?

give me a fuckin break. Id rather live in Baghdad.



Also no one who lives in New York likes going to Midtown. Honestly if you like midtown you might as well live in a fuckin mall.

And Chelsea is no where near midtown.

7/25/2007 11:10:11 PM

Ive been thinking about Midtown and I guess you could say everything between 14th and 59th is midtown but thats too silly. So I think Poetrickster is just bein a dumb bitch.

but honestly pretty much everything above 14th street is worthless

7/26/2007 7:42:32 AM

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"I think Poetrickster is just bein a dumb bitch."

7/26/2007 8:09:26 AM

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"but honestly pretty much everything above 14th street is worthless"

wooow. i'm guess i;m going to look into buying a bunch of land up there right away since its worthless.

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"Also no one who lives in New York likes going to Midtown. Honestly if you like midtown you might as well live in a fuckin mall. And Chelsea is no where near midtown."

you must be thinking midtown is just times square because everything you said is wrong. Its amazing the people on a college message board.

7/26/2007 10:55:33 AM

^
All we're saying is that the majority of people we know (besides you) don't really enjoy or have any desire to visit most of midtown. You're the minority in regard to traveling i guess. In regard to NYC and Myrtle beach. The posts on tww have proved that. You can't argue with a general consensus.

7/26/2007 11:07:43 AM

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"All we're saying is that the majority of people we know (besides you) don't really enjoy or have any desire to visit most of midtown. You're the minority in regard to traveling i guess. In regard to NYC and Myrtle beach. "

bahahahahahahaha I'M THE MINORITY

1 more time

IM THE MINORITY????


but theres 50 gazillion people walking around times square, herald square and a good part of midtown 24 hours a day all year. I mean its only like the TOP DESTINATION IN THE WORLD.
go downtown to the financial district at night. just about everything closes with the market.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18399859/
hmm 80% of the city's visitors go to times square and thats just part of midtown

http://50.lycos.com/072905.asp
mytle beach minority who?



you get more and more ridiculous with every post. At this rate, you'll be saying pigs can fly by the 3rd page.

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"The posts on tww have proved that. You can't argue with a general consensus."

if the general consensus on here always goes against the general consensus of the logical world then that probably explains why the sane people see shit like this and don't even bother to post or signup on this site.

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 11:37 AM. Reason : ha]

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 11:54 AM. Reason : V haha double wammy. this was over when he played the minority card and got pwnt hard]

7/26/2007 11:35:46 AM

both sides are gonna have thier own but i found this

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"The heart of the Manhattan high value area from 34th to 59th Street, "

google that quote i forgot where i got it


all of midtown seems to be high value but only wall street seems to match it in downtown


/thread?

7/26/2007 11:50:42 AM

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"pigs can fly by the 3rd page."

We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised with your opinions.

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"but theres 50 gazillion people walking around times square, herald square and a good part of midtown 24 hours a day all year."

You're still missing the whole point. Just because everyone else goes there doesn't mean it's the best way to travel or best place to go. Bud Light, McDonalds, and WalMart are what the majority of Americans spend thier money on. But you won't be able to find many intelligent, intellectual, well-traveled people who go to any of those places, or drink budlight.

First time i went to NYC i went all over Midtown too, and did all the touristy things. Once i grew up and learned to find the REALLY cool places, i learned that the MOST popular places to go arn't ALWAYS the best. Obviously someplace like the San Francisco momo or the San Diego zoo are exceptions. I can still go to places like that and enjoy myself. You can't really continue to go around times square or midtown and find great things to do.

You're right most people go to these places, but i'll bet ya it's either thier first time going to NYC or they have a fetish for materialism, stereotypical tourist destinations, or the rides in the Times Sqaure Toys-r-us. It takes a while for a travler to learn how to travel, and find the really cool places. You just haven't gotten to that point yet. Go pick up a book like "1000 places to see before you die" or any other reputable travel book. There's MUCH better places in the world to visit than Myrtle Beach, SC and Midtown, NYC.

7/26/2007 11:59:01 AM

McDonald's is the best restaurant in the world...most sales, makes the most money, most customers... due to the "general consensus of the logical world" McDonald's has the best food in the world, isn't that right Poetrickster...man I've eaten at a McDonald's in Myrtle Beach...best experience in my life

7/26/2007 12:24:32 PM

I hope you guys are just trolling out of desperation from losing the thread and aren't seriously this dense.

I've drilled this before. You can't compare something thats popular because of its low price to midtown manhattan which is popular and also happens to be one of the most expensive places anywhere. 2000 dollars per square foot in times square is like a big mac costing 150 dollars and still being the #1 sandwich. Theres nothing cheap about midtown.

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"Go pick up a book like "1000 places to see before you die" or any other reputable travel book."

Everything in the world is based on making money and the best way to make money. Nobody in their right mind would right a book telling people everything they already know so they talk about places people don't know to sell their book.

And again, midtown isn't just times square. It has several unique and highly cultured neighborhoods as well as the tourist attractions and world famous entertainment. Everything is high dollar. Maybe YOU need to learn how to travel and see the whole picture. At the end of the day you're still all entitled to your own opinion but don't try and twist it that your opinion is "general consensus"

7/26/2007 12:47:10 PM

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"Everything in the world is based on making money "

does that include people's opinions on quality of living and how they choose to spend their off time?

and you didnt do a very good job explaining why mcdonalds isnt the best restaurant...the same people who make mcdonalds more money than any other restaurant are the same people who make walmart more money than any other store and the same people who think myrtle beach is a world class resort city...you're willing to quickly shoot down the idea that mcdonalds has the best food because common sense tells you obviously they dont have the best food...i wonder when comon sense is going to tell you that myrtle beach is not the #1 beach in the world

7/26/2007 12:50:49 PM

As soon as it becomes cheaper than all alternative destinations

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 12:53 PM. Reason : its not teh #1 in the world but its #1 in the area and one of the best in hte us for sure]

7/26/2007 12:52:46 PM

so only when myrtle beach is cheaper than ALL OTHER BEACHES will you admit that its not the best in the region/country? wtf kind of sense does that make? i'll tell you what kind of sense it makes...none

7/26/2007 12:55:05 PM

Alright Poetrickster i'm going to be stuck up with you in regard to traveling. I've been to my fair share of places in the world and almost every major city in the United States, but growing up I had those crazy friends and adult friends who pretty much went everywhere there was to go in the world. I wasn't even close to them in regard to a world traveler and i've been to quite a few places. I'm talking like friends who have houses/condos in over 10 countries and who travel weekly for international buisiness. I met these people during fundraisers/sponsered art events/gallery openings etc, and i'm only 21. I know i'm being stuck up here, but if you asked any of those people what thier favorite places to go in the world were, Myrtle Beach would obviously not be on the list, and Midtown would be a overnight stop visiting relatives on the way to Tokyo.

If you want to argue expensive, Myrtle beach is horribly cheap. These people would laugh at you if you said Myrtle Beach was expensive. There's hundreds of other beaches in the World and plenty in the US which cost 10-20 fold more than Myrtle Beach. I'm talking 10-20 grand a night to stay in these places. So don't talk expensive, because Myrtle Beach is dirt cheap compared to the really nice places on Earth.

If you really wanna be a traveler, of course you don't have to be rich, and there's plenty of places in the world you can go that are free, and will put Myrtle Beach or Midtown to shame. I'm defin in the "Middle class" designation in terms of family income, but i find plenty of great places to travel. Not a single point you've ever brought up makes ANY sense in regard to a smart, intellectual traveler. You're falling into the same catagory that most americans fall into. You get suckered into popular tourist destinations that are well advertised and have tons of people. Well, you need to learn that these are BY FAR not the best places to go, and usually the less people there, the better the place is. Remember, the best places on earth are usually closely guarded secrets which you'll only find in those travel guides, and word of mouth. Again sorry for being stuck up in regard to giving you a little perspective.

You're welcome to criticize my openness all you'd like, but the fact remains, the more you travel, the less you enjoy places like Myrtle Beach or Midtown, NYC.

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 1:12 PM. Reason : .]

7/26/2007 1:04:00 PM

ALTERNATIVES

please read

obviously myrtle is not an alternative to somewhere you would hop on a plane to go to. Alternatives are beaches in sc, nc, va, md, deleware, nj, etc. Myrtle is on the high end of that list and stil the most visited dispite the fact that it is not convient to the major cities like ocean city, and atlantic city. It is actually the most isolated from the group people that are choosing from these beaches yet it is still BY FAR #1. Theres no other explanation other than it being #1.

And i don't want to here you talk about your filthy rich buddies that pay for insane services because at the hotels in midtown you really don't get jack shit and you still pay more than you would in most hotels.

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" friends who have houses/condos in over 10 countries and who travel weekly for international buisiness"

sounds like a minority to me. Why should I care what these people are doing because this represents a small % of people and not a "general consensus" that you were once speaking of. I guess you can still get the cookie you wanted for knowing only rich people

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"Remember, the best places on earth are usually closely guarded secrets which you'll only find in those travel guides, and word of mouth. "

This is not economically possible. at least not in capitalism

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"there's plenty of places in the world you can go that are free"

haha free vacations

7/26/2007 2:39:00 PM

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"midtown you really don't get jack shit and you still pay more than you would in most hotels."

Oh really? So that's why you're advocating for midtown? The GREAT hotels you speak of that give you jack shit and you pay more for? Nice.

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"I guess you can still get the cookie you wanted for knowing only rich people "

Hahaha when did i EVER say i only knew rich people. If you read my whole thread you'd see i clearly said i was in the middle class, and i know plenty of low class, middle class, and upper class people. You make a blind judgement that i only know "rich people" because I gave you an example of a class i DID know. You keep stumbling over your own feet.

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"This is not economically possible. at least not in capitalism"

Haha wow my friend you've got a lot to learn about traveling. I guess you really haven't discovered those truely unique places yet. I actually enjoy telling people about little known amazing unique places i've gone. While you like spouting out to your friends, "Have you ever been to Myrtle Beach or Midtown!!!!??? I have!!!". What are so UNIQUE about those places? EVERYONE goes to those places, you're turning yourself into a statistic, and a very un-unique one at that.

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"haha free vacations"

I forgot to add "minus travel expenses", and i guess you haven't experienced that either. Another simple indication of a poor travler is thinking everywhere cool and worth traveling to takes lots of money. That is actually opposite of the truth my friend. Plenty of the best places on Earth cost fairly little, if not anything.

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"sounds like a minority to me."

Yeah you're right, only a minority of the population gets to travel to great, amazing places. Obviously you're not one of them. You fit into the bigger catagory of popular tourists who spend thier time drinking bud at Myrtle Beach. Congrats sir.

[Edited on July 26, 2007 at 2:57 PM. Reason : ..]

7/26/2007 2:53:43 PM

The reason why people who live in new york hate to go to midtown is because of all the tourists.

whats not to understand about that?

shit I dont like even going to manhattan because of all the tourists on busses.

the reason why people live there is because its where the majority of office buildings outside of the Financial District are. It just so happens that Time Square, which used to be filled with XXX movie theaters and hookers, is now a giant mall filled with chain stores. No fuckin wonder everyone who visits wants to go there. Tons of people go to ground zero as well, does that make it the best place in new york? Hell no, you normally go once and thats it.

Manhattan in general is just retarded expensive so pulling out sq foot numbers is absurd. Fuckin 400 sf studios rent on average around 1,900 a month.

so in closing, people with maps from asia go to midtown. When you live in new york you end up going when your gf drags you to H&M.....

7/26/2007 6:21:15 PM