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5/24/2008 12:56:44 AM

90 minute cutscene? WTF, is this a game or a movie? Jeez, I hope that is just the ending scene or something.

5/24/2008 10:24:24 AM

there were some looooooooooooong ass cutscenes in MGS2 towards the end. going back and forth between Codex and cutscene over and over and over and over...

5/24/2008 10:28:14 AM

holy shit. better plan out ahead of time when you play this game. doubt I will . Cant see a reason to drop money on this thing unless I need a blueray player.

5/24/2008 10:39:14 AM

even if it is the ending scene, that still sucks. You're playing a video game, which means you're supposed to be interacting with the little men on the screen. Do you really want to be an hour and a half removed from participating when the game actually ends?

5/24/2008 11:32:12 AM

some people have been playing this series for years because of the epic storyline.

5/24/2008 11:45:58 AM

I saw another article saying that there were several of those cutscenes, I don't think it's just one...

http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/05/23/mgs4-will-have-several-90-minute-cut-scenes

[Edited on May 24, 2008 at 11:50 AM. Reason : found link]

5/24/2008 11:49:56 AM

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"90 minute cutscene? WTF, is this a game or a movie?"

Ha, it's Hideo Kojima. Which means it's a game that he wishes were a movie. Just like all Metal Gears.

5/24/2008 11:54:16 AM

The gameplay is always great in the series but I enjoy the plot/cutscenes so much that that is the reason I play the series.

5/24/2008 12:40:46 PM

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=187049

Looks like the 90-minute cut scene thing is an exaggeration. People who have played it have also said it has around 20 hours of pure gameplay, which is amazing considering the longest MGS thus far as been around 18 hours gameplay + cutscenes.

^Pretty much, complaining about cutscenes in MGS is like complaining about shooting in an fps, it's part of the game. I was actually excited to hear it might have 90 minute cutscenes It's going to too take a lot of exposition to wrap up this story in a way that's satisfying to the fans.

5/24/2008 12:52:49 PM

every mgs is like this. personally it kills the replay value. metal gear is definitely one of those series that peaks the first time you play it

5/24/2008 9:58:53 PM

is there some kinda mgs pack of some previous games for ps3 or xbox360?

my ps3 isn't backwards compatible but I'd like to play the others before I get this.

5/24/2008 10:14:04 PM

yeah i saw that pack at game stop yesterday

5/24/2008 10:19:09 PM

heres the product
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16879248059&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-PS2+Video+Games-_-KONAMI-_-79248059

now that I look at that it's for PS2 and you said 3, but i guess it would run on there. Some say ps2 games actually look worse on ps3 though.

[Edited on May 24, 2008 at 10:22 PM. Reason : stuff]

5/24/2008 10:20:27 PM

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"my ps3 isn't backwards compatible"

5/24/2008 10:22:23 PM

well, if you just want the story part, every MGS so far has a previous story part on the menu where it summarizes the other games.

5/24/2008 10:25:33 PM

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"^Pretty much, complaining about cutscenes in MGS is like complaining about shooting in an fps, it's part of the game. I was actually excited to hear it might have 90 minute cutscenes It's going to too take a lot of exposition to wrap up this story in a way that's satisfying to the fans."

Come on, this is a bit off base Shrike. I'm not complaining about a MGS gameplay attritbute, I'm simply saying that quite possibly up to multiple 90 minute cut scenes is a little much and heavy handed. I mean you can't pause or save during these huge stretch runs of cinema so doesn't it seem a bit odd for a video game to push you into an hour and a half on the fly for a video? Maybe it asks you to save and warns you what's ahead - I hope.

Keep in mind I'm not saying I'm not going to get the game (lol). Anyone with a PS3 would be an idiot not to get this game....I just get really bored in bloated cut scenes nowadays where I used to love it when I was a kid. I think about lapping up a game like Xenogears so long ago and now I'd fucking shut the game down becuase I want in on the action already. I can't stand JRPGS including FF now becuase of this reason....where dammit I just want the reins and shut up already about convulted cracker jack plots.

Calll it impatient, low attention span, it doesn't matter - it's just a function of time and not having much of it in the day as I used to. I think getting barraged with cutscenes is quite honestly a sincere and debatable critique of the more recent entries of metal gear franchise and kojima's style. No one is trolling here.

5/25/2008 10:53:48 AM

you can pause them

5/25/2008 11:23:37 AM

Look, all I'm saying is that it's a series convention. Kojima isn't going to change the way he makes games just because your tastes have changed. MGS is definitely not a series that clicks with everyone, and I guarantee you MGS4 will receive tons of backlash from people who don't like lengthy cut scenes or complex stories in their games, all the entries in the series have.

I just don't see the point of criticizing something that you know you're getting yourself into beforehand. The cut scenes are one the things that sets this series apart from any other in gaming, I fucking love them. The nice thing is if your one of the people who don't, you can pause them now or skip them completely.

5/25/2008 12:29:12 PM

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"I just don't see the point of criticizing something that you know you're getting yourself into beforehand."

That's my point, and why I think you are being too defensive. The single longest cutscene in metal gear history has a runtime of like what 40-45 minutes tops? And that was one of the more longer sequences in MGS2. So there are quite possibly mutliple ones easily over double that size through the game? How is that not eye opening?

Again, I plan on purchasing the game and enjoying it, but to say you have no valid talking points here in a MGS discussion thread because 'thats how kojima is, deal with it' is very dismissive and stupid shrike. I think it's a valid discussion point at least, depending on your perspective - potentially a critique point. But whatever it is, it sure doesn't deserve censoring as you call for it, or dismissed as troll fodder. That pisses me off.

5/25/2008 3:26:44 PM

Uh, I'm not the one being defensive here. All I said is that I think it's a stupid criticism. That's my opinion. I don't think your trolling and don't care if you criticize the game. I already said that I understand this series has a lot of haters. If that's what you came here to do, have a ball. I just don't agree with you.

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"is there some kinda mgs pack of some previous games for ps3 or xbox360? my ps3 isn't backwards compatible but I'd like to play the others before I get this."

Check out the series of retrospectives Gametrailers has done of the series,

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/6748.html.

They do a pretty good run down on the series, although they don't really get into some of the finer points of the plot (probably a good thing to be quite honest). It'll give you a pretty good idea of what you'll be getting yourself into though.

[Edited on May 25, 2008 at 4:13 PM. Reason : :]

5/25/2008 3:54:44 PM

IGN just gave this a 9.9 (the UK drop anyways)

5/31/2008 1:29:23 AM

I'd like for this series to do something new.

5/31/2008 3:30:30 AM

Anyone who wants to brush on their MGS knowledge and check out all the released info on MGS4 in one place, look to this thread,

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303161.

Also, the PS3 theme the guy posted in there might be the most awesome thing ever.

6/1/2008 10:06:55 AM

anyone else going to the midnight release? I'll be going to one of them. Anyone wanna split a case of bawls or red bull sugar free?

6/1/2008 12:19:52 PM

dude, it's just a game

6/1/2008 2:40:37 PM

sure its just a game, but it's so engrossing I'm probably going to spend a week playing it non-stop. Ive spent over 180 days logged into wow and probably double that for counterstrike. Atleast this game has a story with it

6/1/2008 4:26:09 PM

where is there a midnight release?

6/1/2008 4:42:21 PM

I'm on the fence about getting this. I loved MGS1 and 2, but I LOATHED MGS3 (I know, I know). I don't even think I gave it more than three hours tops.

Plus I'm strapped for cash. I may just camp Classifieds and buy a used copy once you guys beat it

6/1/2008 4:52:04 PM

those gametrailers retrospectives are badass

6/1/2008 5:18:28 PM

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"NOT JUST A GAME"

6/1/2008 5:33:28 PM

most eb games in the area are doing midnight release

6/1/2008 7:52:58 PM

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"where is there a midnight release?"

http://www.gamestop.com/gs/landing/mgs4/MGS4Midnight.pdf

6/1/2008 11:11:33 PM

hahahahah

i read my posts on the first page

i was making fun of it for coming out in winter of 2008

hahahahahahahahahahhaah

6/1/2008 11:49:12 PM

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"QUINN LOVES THE PS3"

6/1/2008 11:57:59 PM

i dont see any cary midnight openings

6/2/2008 12:00:36 PM

I was contemplating buying the mgs ps3 and the guy at the north hills gamestop said it will be a midnight opening along with gears of war 2 (two separate openings, not on the same night).

6/2/2008 12:16:05 PM

why is gow2 relevant right now? haha

6/2/2008 1:34:20 PM

he was probably just saying that was the next planned midnight release.

6/2/2008 1:37:41 PM

Unless any of you guys are behind or forgotten a bunch, here's a quick video to get you ready for 4.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/06/04/fox-news-does-a-metal-gear-solid-retrospective/

6/5/2008 10:51:05 AM

anyone mind saying what happened after you finish mgs1. I don't really wanna play through it for the 29374th time, I just can't remember what ocelot said about snake, liquid, and the president, foxdie, etc.

6/5/2008 10:12:03 PM

how about someone sums it all up in a couple of paragraphs

6/6/2008 12:04:49 AM

mgs1 - solid snake infiltrates shadow moses island in alaska per the request of colonel roy campbell. snake is to locate and attempt to rescue two hostages: darpa chief donald anderson and armstech president kenneth baker. both men die in snake's presence within minutes (the anderson snake meets is actually decoy octopus; the real anderson was tortured to death by ocelot) due to foxdie (injected into him by naomi hunter), a genetically engineered virus that induces cardiac arrest in persons with specific genetic markers.

snake meets meryl (campbell's daughter); they fall in love. snake meets otacon; they become bff. snake discovers his old buddy gray fox is still alive and is cutting a swath through shadow moses in a cybernetically enhanced ninja outfit. snake learns of the les enfants terribles project - he is a clone of the big boss and that he is genetically identical to his nemesis, liquid (liquid also tells him that snake received all of the dominant genes).

liquid tricks snake into activating the launch sequence for metal gear REX. with gray fox's help, snake defeats REX and liquid and escapes shadow moses with either meryl or otacon, depending on how you handled ocelot's torture. a still-alive liquid gives chase and almost kills snake but succumbs to foxdie. during the epilogue, you learn that ocelot was actually working for the US president all along (solidus, the third brother), that snake was actually genetically inferior to liquid, and that foxdie will eventually kill him (snake).

6/6/2008 12:33:25 AM

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"WARMEST WINTER EVER"

6/6/2008 12:34:04 AM

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"After the end credits the player finds out Snake is actually genetically inferior to Liquid[37] and has an indeterminate amount of time left before FoxDie kills him. Ocelot is revealed to be a double agent for the President of the United States (Solidus, the third Snake). His intention were to obtain Baker's disk containing Metal Gear's specifications and deliver it to the President.[38]"

just check out wikipedia, it has all the plot summaries.

[Edited on June 6, 2008 at 12:36 AM. Reason : slow]

6/6/2008 12:35:24 AM

I may pick this up. I'm becoming more interested the more i see it. the graphics look superior

6/6/2008 9:32:47 AM

Hadn't played a Metal Gear game since the first MGS, so I picked up the 3-pack this week and started on MGS3. Hell of a lot of fun...MGS4 has just moved up to a "must buy" for me now.

6/7/2008 2:01:11 PM

MGS refresher: http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Site/ThumbnailMetalGearSolid1-01

6/7/2008 2:16:31 PM

^^MGS3 was indeed amazing, hope you're playing the Subsistence version with the reworked camera.

5 more days

6/7/2008 5:16:42 PM

how much was the three pack? I kinda want to do this too.


the more i think about it, i should have waited and gotten the MGS 80G PS3 bundle. It has MGS4, headset, Dualshock, and 80G ps3. But man i just dont think i'd have been able to wait 2 more months back then. Oh well.

[Edited on June 7, 2008 at 5:25 PM. Reason : Add]

6/7/2008 5:23:06 PM