a marquee DE will almost always have a longer career than a marquee RB

mario was injured pretty much all of last season with his foot

the texans really hindered his adjustment to the NFL by moving him all over the line

mario may not blow up and have a huge year this season, but he will most definitely show flashes of greatness and have a solid year.

8/14/2007 6:55:58 PM

Quote :

"And lets put it this way. Lou Holtz and Spurrier would never coach at NCSU. "

Dumbass...

8/14/2007 10:46:31 PM

Mario will be helped this year by the addition of Amobi Okoye at DT. This will take pressure off of him and eliminate the shuffling around which hindered his development last year. Barring injury, Mario will have a much better season this year.

But lets let the season play itself out. We'll get the answers in due time.

8/15/2007 10:24:04 AM

Royal Flush is from Miami, what the hell does he know about NCSU football...go back to FL selling sombreros, last I checked NCSU doesnt have any Mexicans on the football team!!

8/16/2007 1:58:03 AM

Fucking awesome reply!! Possibly the best ever in the history of Sports Talk. I mean really, has there ever been a reply with so many facts and substance as this?


I think not.

8/16/2007 1:59:25 AM

No hables espanol senior...U stupid Fuck!

8/16/2007 2:00:57 AM

yall are fucking hilarious

8/16/2007 2:02:49 AM

Since when am I Mexican?

OMG!! NCSU doesnt have any Mexicans on the football team!! This only means one thing!! Mario is not a bust because of this, he is good because if he was bad, then there would be Mexicans on the football team, and since there aren't, Mario is good in the NFL.

God damn man, give it up.

8/16/2007 2:05:53 AM

its my belief that royal flush is "macguyver" back with another alias, its too obvious with his lame trolling...

[Edited on August 16, 2007 at 2:07 AM. Reason : ]

8/16/2007 2:07:02 AM

You cats can guess and point and wonder all you want, I am not a fake name of anyome.

8/16/2007 2:11:15 AM

Dont deny your Mexican Heritage Pancho!!

8/16/2007 8:25:22 PM

^^Then you really are a dumbass in real life?

I am terribly sorry that you have no intelligence at all.

8/16/2007 9:04:04 PM

Mario has only played ONE season. Jesus Christ. Give the man some time.

Jaybee- And what does Brock Berlin have to do with anything? Brock was never drafted. Brock Berlin played with the Dolphins for a few weeks and now appears on fishing shows on Sun Sports here in Florida.

8/17/2007 1:24:15 AM

Gonna go out on a limb here, well wait, gonna just go ahead and say he is gonna fail just as bad this coming season as the last. He was the #1 pick as a defensive player, no season short of the best defensive season in the history of the NFL will ever save Mario from being a failure. Suck it up kids, he only got taken #1 because the Texans are a cheap franchise and they got him to sign for cheap. What a bust.....and till he proves me differently, he ranks near the top of everyones list as one of the worst #1 picks EVER.


Btw, there is a reason this thread made it to two pages. Mario doesn't have the stats to let any of you argue otherwise. A little over 4 sacks and an injury plagued season. Gotta love it! Fucking pathetic.

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 12:41 AM. Reason : ,]

8/18/2007 12:38:59 AM

LOL, trolling. Bad trolling at that.

Quote :

"What a bust.....and till he proves me differently, he ranks near the top of everyones list as one of the worst #1 picks EVER."

Tim Couch
Steve Emtman
Courtney Brown
Ki-Jana Carter
Kenneth Sims
Tom Cousineau
Hell, we could even throw Mike Vick up here based on what he's done to his team


Mario has his work cut out for him if he wants to go down as one of the worst #1 picks ever.

Quote :

"no season short of the best defensive season in the history of the NFL will ever save Mario from being a failure."

wow, you're retarded.

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 1:06 AM. Reason : 2]

8/18/2007 1:00:32 AM

WOW

This guy must expect a #1 Draft pick to get 3 sacks a game, lead his team in scoring, and cure cancer.

8/18/2007 1:05:15 AM

yeah, what a douche

8/18/2007 8:56:07 AM

Quote :

"he only got taken #1 because the Texans are a cheap franchise and they got him to sign for cheap. What a bust"

if that's true then he's already succeeded at the reason that the Texans hired him, so he can't be a bust for them

8/18/2007 9:00:59 AM

Quote :

"Tim Couch Steve Emtman Courtney Brown Ki-Jana Carter Kenneth Sims Tom Cousineau Hell, we could even throw Mike Vick up here based on what he's done to his team Mario has his work cut out for him if he wants to go down as one of the worst #1 picks ever. "

So far, Mario is part of that group.

8/18/2007 11:39:40 AM

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"A little over 4 sacks and an injury plagued season. Gotta love it! Fucking pathetic. "

Hmm, so are you calling out Mario for BEING INJURED and only producing four sacks? The guy was playing on one foot last year -- it's a miracle he could even get to the quarterback at all.

As it stands right now, Young looks like a pretty good pick, Bush looks like he'll develop into a flashy contributor, and Mario looks like he's destined to become the cornerstone of the Houston D ( give the kid some time to develop forgod's sakes). I liken Mario's pro career to that of Trevor Pryce ... never too flashy, never great stats, but an invaluable, all-around football player.

And as for this "they should of taken young at #1" talk ... maybe you're right. But do know that Young was and still is huuuuuuuge risk, namely because HE SCORED A FUCKING SIX ON HIS WONDERLIC TEST. And to prove his stupidity, what does young do just the other week? He hit another teammate in the head. The guy was wearing a helmet, and Young hit him with his throwing hand. GEEEEEENIOUS I SAY

Young got by on his insane talent last year, but people are going to learn how to stop him soon (just like Vick). I'm not knocking the guy, I love watching him play ... but when teams start containing his scrambles, and Young is forced to sit in the pocket, read defenses, and sift through multiple receivers, then we'll see just how good of a QB he really is.

8/18/2007 12:42:22 PM

Nice article about Mario's offseason and expectations for this year...

http://tinyurl.com/2xg9sv

8/18/2007 2:05:14 PM

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"I liken Mario's pro career to that of Trevor Pryce ... never too flashy, never great stats, but an invaluable, all-around football player. "

You don't draft someone #1 to produce like that. Or should I say lack of production.

^Great article. Here is what I got from it.

One of the most controversial #1 picks ever

Williams was hurt most of the season

Didn't produce

Most of his defensive line hates him so much they didn't even take him up on his offer of an all expense paid trip to Brazil

He is neither the best defensive player on that team, nor the leader of the defense.

He has expectations that he will most likely never live up to.



So basically

He is an injury risk, whos teammates don't like, and he doesn't produce. All while having the expectations of being the #1 draft pick that he will not live up to.

Great article in my opinion.

[Edited on August 18, 2007 at 3:36 PM. Reason : ,]

8/18/2007 3:17:20 PM

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"Most of his defensive line hates him so much they didn't even take him up on his offer of an all expense paid trip to Brazil"

Uhh, what?

You can infer that they hate him because they don't want to go on vacation to another country with him?

8/18/2007 4:17:09 PM

^^Jesus, did Mario fuck your girlfriend or something? You are a faggot RoyalFlush, Mario has played one season in the NFL, give him a break. He's a good dude, he went to NC State, why don't you stop hating on him and just wish that he does big things.

8/18/2007 6:07:50 PM

^^^ he'll do a lot more for his team in the next 3 seasons than michael vick will

ahahahaha

8/18/2007 6:40:18 PM

I could care less about Mike Vick. The Dolphins have Trent, thats all I care about.

8/21/2007 1:08:10 AM

you couldnt*


and stfu

8/21/2007 1:15:33 AM

As mentioned, it must be so frustrating trying to back up your boy when all he has done is let you down.

Until he gets some stats worth bragging about, then you really have no room to talk. As of right now he is all hype and no production. And by hype, he had a good combine. He was good in college, but nowhere near a #1 pick. The Texans were able to sign him cheaper than Young or Bush, and thats what they went for. Who cares if it pisses of what little fan base you have, you saved a few million and then lost even more when your fans had no reason to come to games. Oh, except when Young came in and blew past Mario to rush for the game winning TD, on the road, against the team that passed up on him. That game was sold out. It was hilarious to see signs and the fans chearing.....FOR THE OPPOSING QB. Did you see how wild that place went when Young won the game? You would almost have thought the game was in Nashville.

8/21/2007 1:24:41 AM

That's the biggest troll post I've ever seen.

8/21/2007 9:43:44 AM

hey RoyalFlush, we have already proven that you have no right to post in sports talk

i mean, if you are going to troll at least do some research and get your facts right

some of the junk you talk is just shit spewing from your ass

8/21/2007 9:51:21 AM

Quote :

"Suck it up kids, he only got taken #1 because the Texans are a cheap franchise and they got him to sign for cheap."

yeah man, that 54 million was sooooooooo cheap
fucking idiot

8/21/2007 9:56:26 AM

Gunzz just suspend RoyalFlush, or set the minimum post # of 1000 to talk in sports talk.

8/21/2007 9:56:49 AM

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"As mentioned, it must be so frustrating trying to back up your boy when all he has done is let you down. "

Yeah Philip let us down his rookie year too....he didn't turn to be any good either I guess?

How about that? Philip SHOULD have been #1 over Eli Manning. See what I did there?

8/21/2007 10:02:41 AM

Good God RoyalFlush is a huge fucking troll. John Smoltz should be a closer again and Mario Williams is the worst athlete ever. Got anymore asinine statements?? This dude is starting to rank up there with Earl and hcnguyen as one of the worst sports talk posters in recent memory.

8/21/2007 1:59:38 PM

his name is francisco and he looks like a huge douche

8/21/2007 3:43:26 PM

I think Mario will have a good season this year. 7-9 sacks...

His foot bothered him all season and for some reason that got zero media attention...

He never had to learn skill in college he just relied on size... he should have learned a lot last season

8/22/2007 7:59:26 AM

i find it very funny that Royalflush rocks a S Curl

8/22/2007 9:27:09 AM

just scored a td!

9/9/2007 2:42:41 PM

W00T!!!

9/9/2007 2:44:01 PM

2 sacks

9/9/2007 3:12:26 PM

You don't draft someone #1 to be a situational scat-back.

You see what I just did?

9/10/2007 6:30:44 AM

So, after the first weekend of the NFL season, Mario Williams has scored more touchdowns than Reggie Bush and the same number as Vince Young.

9/10/2007 7:06:27 AM

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"one of the worst #1 picks ever?"

because every #1 pick is an immediate impact player....

bush has gotten much more attention, but was only a tad better than mediocre last season as well...

Quote :

"and till he proves me differently, he ranks near the top of everyones list as one of the worst #1 picks EVER."

i like how you = everyone now....

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"I could care less about Mike Vick. The Dolphins have Trent, thats all I care about."

ahahahhahahaha, hey everyone, lets lay off of royalflush, he's a dolphins fan, he has to take that angst out on something..... i recommend a .38 special to your soft palate

[Edited on September 10, 2007 at 8:59 AM. Reason : []

9/10/2007 8:56:01 AM

gg to Mario yesterday. I was listening on the radio to the Chiefs broadcast and the announcers were like "Williams is having a great day today. I guess he is trying to quiet his critics over being the #1 pick". Ha Ha.

Also not trying to discredit what he accomplished, but he was lining up against Kyle Turley most of the day and the Chiefs offensive line as a whole is

9/10/2007 12:01:28 PM

Unsuspend RoyalFlush so he can respond. To both the Williams TD/sack and UM's great showing this weekend. And then resuspend him.

9/10/2007 12:07:02 PM

Quote :

"Williams TD/sacks "

9/10/2007 2:01:49 PM

Does everyone remember last year when Kyle Turley had just come back and he dominated Mario? Things change.

9/10/2007 2:36:11 PM

yup...the whole chief's o-line was better last year also though

i just knew from watching that Chief Training Camp thing on HBO a few times, that they were a really bad football team

9/10/2007 2:39:24 PM

Quote :

"After watching a month of "Hard Knocks" episodes, what scared you more -- the Brodie Croyle/Damon Huard combo at QB, or Herm Edwards being Herm Edwards? Did anyone else watch Herm and think, "Wow, I'm glad we finally know what it would have been like if Cameron Diaz's dad in "There's Something About Mary" became an NFL coach"? His "I did a terrible job preparing the team this week ... I DID A TERRIBLE JOB!" speech in Episode 4 rivaled some of Denny Green's finest work."

-Bill Simmons

9/10/2007 3:11:16 PM

The Chiefs are going to suck huge this year. They will be like NC State in that the offense is so inept that it will make the defense look bad as well.

9/10/2007 3:19:29 PM