this question is equally as dumb as asking if we should have been #1 in the 1AA poll last year

9/6/2007 6:53:47 PM

did i just hear them say they changed the rule about D-II teams allowed to be ranked?

9/6/2007 8:16:29 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/ncaa/09/06/appoll.change.ap/index.html

not Div II, but the Div I Championship subdivision (old div 1AA). They'd be lucky to stay in longer than a week though.

[Edited on September 6, 2007 at 8:19 PM. Reason : ]

9/6/2007 8:19:06 PM

at least usa today stayed sane

9/6/2007 8:24:41 PM

hah. first pre-game sell out in app state history.

[Edited on September 6, 2007 at 8:28 PM. Reason : ]

9/6/2007 8:28:06 PM

I bet App State clocks in at ~23 in next week's poll.

Now, if I-AA (or whatever it is now) is allowed to be ranked, does that make them eligable(sp?) for a BCS bowl?

if not then why do we let them be ranked?



and that brings into question the formula that says basically a win over a I-AA team doesnt count toward anything

[Edited on September 6, 2007 at 9:18 PM. Reason : .]

9/6/2007 9:18:30 PM

a bcs bowl?...a bcs bowl

9/6/2007 9:19:41 PM

They'd never make it high enough to get into a BCS bowl. They might make it to 24 or 25 but more than likely will be out the following week.

9/6/2007 9:20:54 PM

Its crazy to think that they are the 23rd best team in the country. I am sorry even if they were allowed to be in the poll they still haven't earned it.

9/6/2007 9:25:37 PM

you can only let 1 aa win count towards bowl eligibility so they won't be bowl eligible even if they were to finish ranked #1. They'd have to schedule 5 1a teams.

9/6/2007 9:45:48 PM

im not saying i agree with the BCS bowl thing, and I know it'd never happen. However, what is the point of letting them be ranked if they arent eligible for a BCS bowl?

9/6/2007 10:04:37 PM

just to make fun of michigan even more.

9/6/2007 10:07:17 PM

They shouldn't be allowed in the BCS. Just because a 1AA school has a perfect season doesn't mean they are one of the top 8 teams in the country. If they played a season full of all 1A schools then they might have a argument. This is just a stupid topic honestly. Its like saying a 1a high school team should get to play the 4AA school in a championship game.

9/6/2007 10:24:09 PM

ha ha

9/6/2007 10:24:55 PM

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"they could only manage to score 10 points on a chuck amato team last year "

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"they're QB was also a freshman last year, he looked lightyears better @ the end of the season and into this one."

Some of you are just spouting shit off and don't have a clue what you are talking about. ASU started Trey Elder, a white junior, last year and he threw up in the game. Armanti Edwards did not play against us last year.....If he starts the game here ASU beats NCSU....that is coming from a die-hard NCSU fan. Some of you need to get the homerism out of your eyes and see that that ASU team was drastically different once Armanti started playing.

9/6/2007 10:25:08 PM

I talk a lot shit but I'll admit when I'm wrong

gunzz ended up on top of this thread

gg

even if it was

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"just for the sake of conversation "

[Edited on September 6, 2007 at 10:31 PM. Reason : x]

9/6/2007 10:30:55 PM

^hahah, thanks...

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"this question is equally as dumb as asking if we should have been #1 in the 1AA poll last year "

guess the question isnt too dumb now, is it?

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" do you realize how fucking stupid that sounds? "

hey Ernie, how fucking stupid does it sound now...

lolololololol

9/7/2007 9:26:43 AM

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"Some of you are just spouting shit off and don't have a clue what you are talking about."

kind of like you!

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"If he starts the game here ASU beats NCSU"

I do think allowing FCS teams to get votes is a good thing for college football overall since the preseason polls are so completely and unbelievably retarded...but I don't see how any 1-AA team could ever be in the poll at the end of the year since their SOS includes 10 shitty 1-AA cupcakes

9/7/2007 9:29:21 AM

The real question is, would a low-mid 1A team get ranked after one top ten upset? Generally that does not happen, so ranking App after this win would really only be for the novelty of it. If they filled their nonconference schedule with games against ranked 1A schools instead of low 1AA and Div II schools, and kept winning, then they legitimately would deserve to be ranked.


Also, does anyone know how the academic standards of 1AA compares to the lower 1A programs? I know Div 2 is substantially lower but don't know about 1AA. If a program didn't meet 1A academic standards that would be a reason they shouldn't be eligible for the poll.

9/7/2007 9:38:30 AM

^ gotta disagree with you there... if a low-mid 1a team played as well against a #5 michigan team in the first week of the season (before everything else has settled down) they would, at least, receive a few votes for the top 25, if not slide into a 23-25 spot...

doesn't matter, the AP Poll has effectively detached itself from the NCAA, operating as a completely autonomous unit and issuing their own arbitrary, non-NCAA backed, championship... they can do whatever the hell they want to, and if they want to put App State in their top 25 then by all means let them

9/7/2007 9:42:49 AM

^The pollsters have decided at this point that Michigan is not really a top 10 team, or even a top 25 team. We have to see more of Michigan before we know that, as I've seen Michigan ranked top 5 preseason before only to field an above-average football team.


A little off topic, but what boggles my mind about the whole BCS discussion is that we had a relatively objective formula that worked pretty well, factored in the polls, SOS, records, computer rankings, and all the coaches had agreed on. Unfortunately, a lot of people were upset that USC didn't play a tough schedule and was left out (although they were still AP National Champs), and decided the BCS should be based almost exclusively based on polls, because the computer ratings and SOS were "fickle and arbitrary". I have seen nothing as fickle as the behavior of pollsters.

People can disagree on whether we should go to a playoff system (and how it would be set up), but the BCS is many times better than what we had before it, and was a better system than it is today before it was "reformed".

9/7/2007 9:55:23 AM

i think the knee-jerk reaction of dropping michigan out of the poll was a little extreme... and probably unnecessary...

they had a brain fart in the first game of the season, of course, this is college football so that derails any national title hopes, but i feel the pollsters were really just punishing michigan for losing so dramatically... they'll be back in the top 20 after 2 weeks...

and yes, human pollsters are just about the most fickle things on the planet (see previous paragraph)... putting the national titles in their hands is fairly ridiculous... the computers were doing a much better job (and actually did their job by snubbing USC in favor of two teams with identical records and harder schedules)

9/7/2007 9:58:47 AM

aha, someone still gave Mich. points

Michigan 39

[Edited on September 7, 2007 at 10:02 AM. Reason : t]

9/7/2007 10:00:34 AM

^^^I agree the BCS is better than the previous system...but still...if you are not a top 15 preseason team, you have a 0% chance at playing in the national title game...the BCS formula wouldn't be that horrible if they didn't effectively determine the handful of teams with a shot at playing in the national title game in January based on potential hunches in August

9/7/2007 10:06:03 AM

Fucking stupid. One win doesn't make a team great, nor should rankings be based on it.

Does anyone really think that App State is a top 25 team in America? I'm talking day-in and day-out. I love the fact that they won and it's a great story but I think everyone is getting all emotional and it's clouded the collective college FB common sense.

9/7/2007 10:24:03 AM

No I just think Michigan and the Big Ten are severely overrated

OMG LETS HAVE AN OSU MICHIGAN NATIONAL TITLE GAME SINCE EACH OF THOSE SHITTY SCHOOLS PLAYED EACH OTHER CLOSE LAST YEAR

9/7/2007 10:24:44 AM

^ pretty much my thoughts

9/7/2007 10:33:56 AM

9/7/2007 10:42:06 AM

i loved the app state win, but it doesnt really make sense to rank app state. you have 2 ways to lean for the polls:

1) Michigan was very overrated
2) App State was very underrated

Yes, both can be possible, but as far as the polls are concerned, one of those has to be more important. You either go with Option 1 (which is what they did) and Michigan falls from 5 to out of the rankings, or you go with Option 2, where Michigan shouldnt fall out of the rankings, and App State gets ranked (im not saying they should, just going with the flow of people saying 23,24,25 spot for them).

As far as the polls are concerned both cant happen at once imo. If you drop Michigan out of the rankings, this now means that App State only beat a team that doesnt deserve to be ranked in the top 25. still a HUGE win..but not enough of a reason to rank App.

9/7/2007 11:54:01 AM

I disagree. Both dropping Michigan out of the rankings and/or ranking App State are ludicrous.

Does anyone really really believe that Michigan isn't a top 25 team or that App State is a top 25 team?

IMO, a team should never fall from the #5 spot to out of the poll in one week. That pretty much admits that your poll is totally bogus if you do that.

9/7/2007 12:00:29 PM

preseason polls have been bogus from the beginning of time. and i also wasnt saying that either of those should happen, i was only referring to the extremists that seem to want michigan out of the top 25 AND app in it...if youre going to be that extreme you have to pick one is whati meant.

overall tho no, michigan should have dropped to around ~20 imo and app should just get recognition and a chance to be part of history.

[Edited on September 7, 2007 at 12:40 PM. Reason : ]

9/7/2007 12:39:13 PM

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"without your wit and ingenious"

ahahahaha

9/7/2007 12:44:55 PM

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"Does anyone really really believe that Michigan isn't a top 25 team or that App State is a top 25 team?"

who knows? they've each played one game...thats why preseason polls are so retarded

but lets say you rank App 25th...how long can they stay in the polls? They're gonna be beating 1-AA cupcakes every week...SOS continues to fall...teams in better conferences deservedly bounce them from the poll

Attn: App State: Move your program up to 1-A if you want to be treated like a 1-A school

9/7/2007 1:10:18 PM

They will eventually, then whenever UNCC gets a football team (they will), theyll move up to D-1 before too long. Then NC will have 7 D1 teams, which means in state recruiting wars will be that much tougher and more important.

9/7/2007 1:27:00 PM

I just hope they lose to a 1-AA school this season...so they'll finally have to stfu

9/7/2007 1:27:37 PM

^Why do you have some much hatred for ASU? Just admit that they are better than us and be done with it. You talk shit about all of this and you didn't even know that Edwards was not playing against us. It should have been pretty obvious. Old QB=white (Trey Elder). New QB=black (Armanti Edwards).

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"Attn: App State: Move your program up to 1-A if you want to be treated like a 1-A school"

App State is not doing anything about the polls....it is the media hyping this up. ASU is perfectly happy the way they are.

9/7/2007 2:39:14 PM

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"guess the question isnt too dumb now, is it?"

no it is still dumb

it is just that, SURPRISE, the media is equally dumb

9/8/2007 1:36:08 PM

Fuck App. State if they want to be ranked in the top 25 then they should step up to the big leagues instead of squeaking by an overrated Michigan team one weak and then going back to JV ball. I still think if they came to Carter-Finley or even if we went to their pathetic stadium that we would still win. Until they play a talented team every week I have no respect for them.

[Edited on September 9, 2007 at 1:51 AM. Reason : .]

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9/9/2007 1:49:54 AM

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"it is just that, SURPRISE, the media is equally dumb"

LOL

9/9/2007 1:52:38 AM

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"Fuck App. State if they want to be ranked in the top 25 then they should step up to the big leagues instead of squeaking by an overrated Michigan team one weak and then going back to JV ball."

jesus, people. why all the hate? App State is not requesting the rule changes. The AP decided to change the voting rules, and if App is a benificiary of that change, why would they argue?

here's again what Jerry More said about the change:

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""It's great they opened the door," Appalachian State coach Jerry Moore said. "Certainly we're not going to be the No. 1 team in the country. We know that. We're not even going to be in the top 10. But if you have a win over a nice football team, I like that it's not out of the realm of possibility for a school like us to be one of the top 20 or 25 teams in the country.""

btw - several years ago, i think late 90s before any I-AA championships, they were already considering trying to move into I-A and into a bigger conference like the ACC. But then, and probably still now, they simply don't meet the requirements to move up. e.g. their stadium capacity is too low (~16000 now, after an expansion) and the town of Boone isn't even eligible because of rules that require 2 4-lane highways leading into the town. Boone only has one.

9/9/2007 12:16:37 PM

^Exactly. Thank you. They have had nothing to do with the damn polls. People just troll.

I believe to have a D-1A program you have to have an interstate to be exact. HWY 421 is 4-lane and they are making HWY 321 4-lane. So I am not sure if that would make them qualify or not. And Kidd-Brewer only holds 16,000 but they average 23,000 and there were 26,000 at the Furman game this past year. They are slowly building it up. They don't really have a lot to work with there. Sometime in the near future they are going to add about 5,000 seats to the "visitor" side to put them over 20k.

9/9/2007 12:22:17 PM

I was at the game yesterday, they had a record number (28,000).

And I'm amazed that so many people stayed until the end of the game, even though it was 48-0 until the last minute and a half when LR scored.

We got there early so we could get front row, 20 yard line. Right behind the dance team.

9/9/2007 12:36:17 PM

even though LR is more or less a high school team, look at this

* Edwards didn't play
* The backup QB led them to 38-0 midway through the 2nd quarter
* they pulled a lot of the starters, and threw just 6 passes for the last 35+ minutes of the game

http://goasu.com/article/11006/

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"Appalachian (2-0) added a field goal on its sixth possession to take a commanding 38-0 lead just over midway through the second quarter. From there, ASU pulled a number of its starters and threw just six more passes the rest of the way in cruising to the easy win. Making his first start in nearly a year, senior quarterback Trey Elder turned in a career performance, totaling 300 yards of offense and accounting for five touchdowns in just three quarters of play. Filling in for starter Armanti Edwards, who was dressed and available to play but sat out with a shoulder injury, Elder completed 9-of-13 passes for 210 yards and four touchdowns while running for 90 more yards and another score. His 300 yards of total offense were a career high. "

9/9/2007 12:40:00 PM

I know someone who knows someone who....

They said that The Appalachian Bookstore is sold out of all clothing articles because they had so many requests for shipping from People in Ohio...

I'm looking forward to watching the Ohio State Michigan Game and seeing Thousands or people wearing Appalachian State Gear....

9/9/2007 9:18:49 PM

it was impressive. However I don't think Michigan will be ranked in the top 25 the rest of the season. They blow.

9/10/2007 1:11:28 AM

AP TOP 25

1 USC (40) 1-0 1,594 1
2 LSU (25) 2-0 1,582 2
3 Oklahoma 2-0 1,418 5
4 West Virginia 2-0 1,408 3
5 Florida 2-0 1,370 4
6 Texas 2-0 1,290 7
7 Wisconsin 2-0 1,171 5
8 California 2-0 1,126 10
9 Louisville 2-0 1,097 8
10 Ohio State 2-0 962 12
11 UCLA 2-0 910 13
12 Penn State 2-0 896 14
13 Rutgers 2-0 820 15
14 Nebraska 2-0 693 16
15 Georgia Tech 2-0 590 21
16 Arkansas 1-0 537 18
17 South Carolina 2-0 477 NR
18 Virginia Tech 1-1 382 9
19 Oregon 2-0 367 NR
20 Clemson 2-0 349 25
21 Boston College 2-0 323 NR
22 Tennessee 1-1 284 24
23 Georgia 1-1 261 11
24 Hawaii 2-0 247 20
25 Texas A&M 2-0 243 23
Others Receiving Votes: South Florida 220, Missouri 144, Alabama 116, Washington 95, TCU 66, Arizona State 28, Auburn 23, Appalachian State 19, Cincinnati 12, Florida State 2, Kansas 1,

9/10/2007 2:00:24 AM

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"Florida State 2"

wtf?

9/10/2007 5:06:21 AM

^Hey cockmonger, how ya been? 1 year left!!!

PS If you meet a 2nd-year named Will make his life hell

9/10/2007 6:29:07 AM

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"no it is still dumb it is just that, SURPRISE, the media is equally dumb"

dont be mad b/c you were so wrong

yeah, the people behind the AP and all those sports writers are reallly dumb
i think i would put their sports knowledge a lot higher than, lets say, rwoody

[Edited on September 10, 2007 at 10:13 AM. Reason : sdf]

9/10/2007 10:12:50 AM

I think it's really cool App State got 16 people to vote them #25. They're probably not going to be there next week, but it's a nice gesture to a team who did what they did.

9/10/2007 10:25:15 AM