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9/12/2007 11:05:21 AM

It's done in all sports let it be video taping or just people just mentally watching. I know they used to do it in baseball and in basketball. It's stupid to cheat that way but what can you do?

I think they should use an encrpyted method of sending out calls though. Something like during the first quarter the coach or whoever gives the QB or whoever is reading the play, 3 play calls but the QB knows that only the second call is the one to use during the first half of the game. The second half of the game they switch it to the first play called out of the three. The only problem is there might not be enough time to send out 3 calls if they are in hurry up.

It would be harder to decipher I think. Shit if they really wanted to cheat they could intercept the signal from the transmitter that is being sent to the QB's helmet headset.

[Edited on September 12, 2007 at 11:25 AM. Reason : ]

9/12/2007 11:19:13 AM

its the technology part that is cheating... if you see it with you naked eye and can figure it out on the run, more power to you, they should have done a better job disguising it... but being able to record it, and go back and run the tape alongside the game tape... no.


whats next? Belicheat planting a bug in the opposing coaches headset??

9/12/2007 11:23:10 AM

1) This scandal should be known as The Patriot Act

2) Adam Gold was saying this morning that there are now rumors surfacing that the Patriots also planted a microphone into one of their defensive line players helmets so they could co-ordinate the QB's audibles with plays.

9/12/2007 11:30:15 AM

^ you sure it was the Patriots? The Dolphins did that last year in a game supposedly... maybe the Patriots did too

9/12/2007 11:46:44 AM

^i thought it was the patriots who did it to the dolphins last year?

9/12/2007 11:51:03 AM

hmmm, I know that Zach Thomas is the one that brought it up... I cant remember but I assume he meant the Dolphins, not sure how he would have known otherwise unless someone was dumb enough to tell him, but maybe

9/12/2007 11:52:43 AM

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"what I don't understand is why the Jets had to send in signals to tell their defense to miss tackles and tell their secondary to let the receivers outrun them."

9/12/2007 11:53:13 AM

The microphone thing is just a stupid rumor from profootballtalk.com. That site just throws shit up on the wall to see what sticks.

9/12/2007 11:55:00 AM

^ the Zach Thomas thing isnt... I remember seeing the clip of him seeing it on sportscenter

9/12/2007 11:56:27 AM

As part of his punishment, the Commish forces the Pats to alter their logo

9/13/2007 1:44:47 PM

ahahahahahahaha

9/13/2007 1:50:28 PM

ah thats fuckin hilarious

9/13/2007 2:15:58 PM

fuck the patriots

9/13/2007 5:21:53 PM

OMG! who is going to post the penalty first?!?!!??!

9/13/2007 8:34:52 PM

i was about to


$500k to Belichick, $250k to the team, 1st round 08 pick if they make the playoffs

[Edited on September 13, 2007 at 8:35 PM. Reason : ]

9/13/2007 8:35:10 PM

$500,000 fine for Belichick, $250,000 fine for the organization, and they lose their first round pick if they make the playoffs

[Edited on September 13, 2007 at 8:38 PM. Reason : beat me to it]

9/13/2007 8:35:57 PM

PLUS a slap on the wrists

9/13/2007 8:36:24 PM

Goodell let me down

9/13/2007 8:48:38 PM

I was hoping he would make Belichick and Brady do "2 dudes, 1 cup"

9/13/2007 8:50:40 PM

...

that's fucking nasty

[Edited on September 13, 2007 at 8:54 PM. Reason : but i award a 10/10 to that joke]

9/13/2007 8:54:49 PM

I'm glad he didn't over-react, I think this is fair

9/13/2007 9:02:37 PM

he shoulda over-reacted...no one's gonna take that seriously. its a mild deterrent at best, and its no harm done to the patriots. they hardly keep any draft picks anyway, and they have 2 first round picks just in case.

9/13/2007 9:42:31 PM

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"its the technology part that is cheating... if you see it with you naked eye and can figure it out on the run, more power to you, they should have done a better job disguising it... but being able to record it, and go back and run the tape alongside the game tape... no."

Why not?

If everyone has the same capability to do it, why should it be illegal? Maybe some good could come if that were allowed, like I don't know, some spontaneity in the field of play for once?

As far as the technology part, every frickin' minute of content the NFL could possibly put on video already is. We might as well tell the networks they're not allowed to pan the camera to the coach or offensive coordinator all game. When watching game film, the coaches might see a pattern off of what was just muttered out of their mouths if they can lip read.


[Edited on September 13, 2007 at 10:07 PM. Reason : /]

9/13/2007 10:02:20 PM

^ so coaches can plant bugs in the opposing QBs helmet?


lasers to shoot down deep passes??


technology rules!

9/13/2007 10:08:28 PM

not going to take this seriously?

what would have been a justified punishment?

i understand the guy makes millions of dollars a year but can you imagine losing $500,000 in a day?

9/13/2007 10:11:46 PM

so, who gets the patriots draft pick(s) ?

give it/them to the Jets so we can hear their fans do their thing

9/13/2007 10:43:12 PM

i dont think it works that way

they will just have 1 fewer pick in the 1rst round

like whne hte timberwolves lost their pick(s)

9/13/2007 10:56:28 PM

"we misinterpreted the rule"


haha. yeah. right.

9/13/2007 11:00:48 PM

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"If everyone has the same capability to do it, why should it be illegal? Maybe some good could come if that were allowed, like I don't know, some spontaneity in the field of play for once? "

And I bet that the game would be more exciting if every player were allowed to use HGH!

9/14/2007 12:49:02 AM

Gee, Bill. Could you make it any less obvious?

9/14/2007 12:54:40 AM

what a lame-o penalty

500k is nothing to this guy

make 'em 0-1 and we're talking

9/14/2007 1:00:09 AM

ahahahahaha in other "unreported" news Bill just got $750,000 "raise" for this season....

yeah right, like he's gonna be hurting from this fine.

9/14/2007 1:18:06 AM

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"And I bet that the game would be more exciting if every player were allowed to use HGH!"

That's so comparative.

Every NFL team follows game tape religiously. If the NFL and any fans think that there's not a team in the NFL that does this they're either naive or full of s***. How can this possibly be made illegal and enforced?

9/14/2007 1:41:33 AM

game tape is different

homeboy was where he wasn't supposed to be, filming what he wasn't supposed to be filming

9/14/2007 1:43:16 AM

So if he was in the team press box with a pair of binoculars and a notepad is that illegal?

9/14/2007 1:46:26 AM

nope

9/14/2007 1:49:24 AM

God, some of you people are ridiculous. Do you really hate the Patriots that much? I'm not a Patriots fan. I'm a football fan and I am not blinded by my loyalties enough to see that the Patriots have been maintaining a level of excellence that should be impossible with free agency. They havn't been winning the past 6 seasons because they cheat. They've been winning because they make great draft picks, smart trades and personnel decisions, have the most clutch QB in the league and the best coach of our generation.

Stealing signals is not cheating. It's an accepted part of the game. The only rule the Patriots broke was having a video camera on their sidelines during the game. It was a stupid thing to do, it got confiscated before the end of the 1st half, and it had no effect on the game. There is no signal telling your special teams to let a guy return a kick 108 yards. They broke the rules, they got caught, and now they've been punished accordingly. That should be the end of it.

9/14/2007 9:23:42 AM

bellacheat is a asshole

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"Stealing signals is not cheating. It's an accepted part of the game. The only rule the Patriots broke was having a video camera on their sidelines during the game. It was a stupid thing to do, it got confiscated before the end of the 1st half, and it had no effect on the game. There is no signal telling your special teams to let a guy return a kick 108 yards. They broke the rules, they got caught, and now they've been punished accordingly. That should be the end of it."

no shit, i don't think it was punished accordingly though at all. at least a 1-2 game suspension of the coach, yearly first round draft pick (not any traded ones) lost for 2 years, and a fine of at least 5 million....

don't give me that "it didn't affect the game" bullshit, even if it didn't and with todays digital and wifi technology it's not too far fetched to think that they could be getting the info just a few minutes after it occurs. and even if they were not able to get that data in a same day fashion, it shouldn't matter, it's explicitly against the rules to use video cameras on the opponents sidelines. they were even explicitly warned not to do it prior to the season.

what's so fucking hard to believe that there should be appropriate punishment for breaking a rule that you were JUST TOLD NOT TO BREAK?

i don't give a fuck which team was doing it...

[Edited on September 14, 2007 at 9:33 AM. Reason : fucking christ]

9/14/2007 9:25:37 AM

If it doesn't give them an advantage...

If it doesn't affect the outcome of the game...

If it isn't any more effective than having someone "in the team press box with a pair of binoculars and a notepad"...

If it's basically the same as watching game tape...


The why did they have the cameraman down there after they were explicitly told not to?

9/14/2007 9:39:09 AM

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"at least a 1-2 game suspension of the coach, yearly first round draft pick (not any traded ones) lost for 2 years, and a fine of at least 5 million...."

You have lost your fucking mind

9/14/2007 9:44:38 AM

I wonder if anything will come of these reports of jamming headsets, etc.

9/14/2007 9:49:34 AM

^ I tend to agree with a harsh punishment. Hell an F1 team was just fined 100 million for spying.

9/14/2007 9:49:47 AM

^ agreed. The fine is nothing.

The draft pick loss is somewhat significant, but they should have suspended belichick for a few games as well.

9/14/2007 9:54:04 AM

I guess the words "league maximum fines" mean nothing to you guys

9/14/2007 9:58:20 AM

pretty much, just like it means nothing to Bill

9/14/2007 10:01:13 AM

Actually, the draft picks mean nothing. The Patriot's management is so damn good that they've already secured a 1st round draft pick from the 49ers and 3rd round pick from the Raiders. That is why the Patriots are so fucking dominant. The video was confiscated during the first quarter, after which the Patriots only led 7-0. They went on to completely dominate the rest of the game. Super Bowl XXXVIII was nearly 4 years ago, get over it already.

9/14/2007 10:02:09 AM

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"With the 117th pick of the 2007 NFL Draft, the Patriots acquire Randy Moss in a trade...."

9/14/2007 10:04:57 AM

yeah, get over it. who cares if they cheated and won by just 3, they had to execute even with knowledge of the D's plays

9/14/2007 10:14:43 AM

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"Hell an F1 team was just fined 100 million for spying."

exactly why im for the bigger penalty

what they were penalized is something akin to just talking to someone too early

9/14/2007 10:16:02 AM