if we win it'll be because Beck has a breakthrough day and throws 1 int at the most...

in which case, 32-28 NCSU...

*crosses fingers and hopes*

[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 8:30 AM. Reason : that includes the 3 or so passes that SHOULD have been INTs against Wofford...]

9/18/2007 8:29:27 AM

I disagree, although Beck, Brown, and our O-Line do need to protect the ball and play well. Clemson's offense is solid but far from unstoppable. They have gone through serious offensive lapses last year and this year. For State to win, Alan M-C, Kuhn, and Clemmons and our young LBs need to step up to contain the run. If we can contain Clemson's rushing attack, we give our offense a chance to win this game. If this turns into a game of big plays (see Spiller, CJ), Beck may force the action and this could get ugly.

9/18/2007 8:53:34 AM

hey we can do it! maybe all this team needed was that first win to get its confidence up. Never underestimate the first win. Clemson has looked ok this season but against mediocre teams at best. i think we have a shot to win but we have to get cullen harper rattled because he is the reason they are winning games so far.

9/18/2007 9:12:52 AM

tigs 17
pack 24

We need Brown to have his best game yet, and Beck to take care of the ball.

9/18/2007 12:39:45 PM

we will win this game.

9/18/2007 1:03:11 PM

I hate Clemson

9/18/2007 2:22:42 PM

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"we will win this game. "

SORRY BUT YOU ARE WRONG

9/18/2007 2:24:04 PM

Is LeRue Rumph supposed to play? I heard he got injured at some point against Wofford

9/18/2007 2:34:50 PM

UNC-Raleigh - 7
ClemPson - 5

9/18/2007 3:04:59 PM

tigers 38
pack 21
ihatespida -134

9/18/2007 3:09:37 PM

clemson - 45
ncsu - 11

9/18/2007 3:10:50 PM

Clemson 30
NC State 23

9/18/2007 3:12:13 PM

nice score prediction

9/18/2007 3:14:38 PM

clemson +7.5

state to cover the spread!

9/18/2007 3:18:15 PM

Ditka by 3 touchdowns

i'm gonna remain hopeful this week. NCSU 30 CLEM 24

9/18/2007 3:35:48 PM

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"tigers 38 pack 21 ihatespida -134"

I COULD EASILY BEAT BOTH OF THESE TEAMS

9/18/2007 4:00:26 PM

i'm telling you. we got this.

9/18/2007 4:07:26 PM

BRING THE RAIN.

24-19 NCSU

This is not going to happen, but I'd like it to.

9/18/2007 4:52:50 PM

Clemson 31
NCState 17

9/18/2007 5:26:41 PM

I live 10 mins from Clemson and you now what I have never seen?



A Clemson Fan that went to Clemson. Remind you of Some other homo-erctus school?

9/18/2007 5:48:22 PM

Clemson 38
State 13

9/18/2007 5:53:22 PM

Young inexperienced DT's will play a huge part in this game. Clemson has an excellent running offense where we have a very poor run defense (last in the ACC). Spiller and Davis will run all over us as bad as I hate to say it. Penalties are still a problem.

Clemson-31
NCSU-10

9/18/2007 8:48:47 PM

NCSU 23 Clemson 20

9/18/2007 9:12:52 PM

http://ncstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=716144

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"Archer sees gradual progress in defense Matt Carter TheWolfpacker.com Editor NC State defensive coordinator Mike Archer has seen a lot during his 31-year coaching career. But when Central Florida running back Kevin Smith took the season-opening offensive play 80-yards off the right side to the North end zone of Carter-Finley Stadium, it started what Archer would call the longest four minutes of his coaching life. "First play they run a simple play that we've probably seen 125 times in training camp," Archer recalled. "Then we get the tipped ball and [UCF] gets the interception. Luckily we forced a field goal, then [UCF] gets the safety, and it's 12-0. I'm sitting in the press box and half the people haven't come in the stadium yet. From the halftime of that game where we went down there, I think our kids kind of expected us to go ballistic. "Basically what I told them was, 'Guys, that' half is over. It's unbelievable what happened, but we can't change it. What we can change is what we do in the second half, and win the second half and try to win the game and go as many three and outs as we can and get the offense the ball. They did that. We went five three and outs, consecutive five three and outs which I hadn't happened in a long time as a defensive coordinator, and got us back in the game." That halftime marks what Archer truly believes was an early turning point for his unit. Although Archer does not pretend to boast a defense among the country's best, he sees his players getting more comfortable with the new system. "I think we're going to get better," Archer said. "We're still a work in progress and we have a lot of work to do, but as I said since the half of the UCF game I see slow progress. I don't see us taking two steps forward and three steps back. I see slow gradual process. The BC game started it. "Right now, am I pleased? No, a coach is never pleased. I've seen steady improvement. Our pass defense I think has been pretty good. I look at what BC has done to everybody else. We've matched up pretty good in our man. We did a good job in our zone most of the time." Although NC State lost 37-17 to the Eagles in Chestnut Hill, they are the only team to hold the ACC's top quarterback, BC's Matt Ryan, to under 400 yards passing in a game. In fact they held Ryan to 142 yards on 15-of-34 passing. Archer adds that the defense had held Boston College to 213 total yards with 10:23 left in the game before giving up a lengthy touchdown drive and long scoring run by running back Andre Callender. Archer partly attributes the fourth quarter woes in that game to fatigue on a rare 90-plus degree day at Alumni Stadium where the turf measured at a scorching 124-degrees at kickoff. It did not help NC State's cause that afternoon that they had to play without senior All-ACC candidate defensive tackle DeMario Pressley and his fellow starter sophomore Alan-Michael Cash. Pressley was a late scratch with a knee injury and Cash missed the game to attend the funeral of his father. "I told them on Friday before we went to Boston when I found out DeMario was not going to play. I said, 'Guys you can sit here and feel sorry for yourself, but we're not going to do that. Jamaine Clemmons is going in the game and Markus Kuhn is going in the game," Archer recalled. "'We're going to play.' And to their credit they did. If I convey pity they are going to do the same thing. I said everybody's got to step up, and they did." The Pack faces a similar crisis at the defensive tackle position Saturday against Clemson. Pressley is still out after having arthroscopic knee surgery and his replacement, junior John Bedics, hurt his ankle on a cut block against Wofford and will also miss Saturday's contest. "We're not going to have John, and Clemson is a big, strong offensive team, big offensive line. That's too bad, we've got to play. Nobody feels sorry for us," Archer said. Archer has some familiarity with the Tigers that could help NC State. He was the defensive coordinator at Kentucky last season when the Wildcats surprised Clemson 28-20 in the Music City Bowl in December. Kentucky held the vaunted Tigers running back tandem of James Davis and C.J. Spiller to just 77 yards combined. One significant change for Clemson however is at quarterback, where new starter Cullen Harper is making a very strong early case for all-conference honors. "The guy hasn't thrown an interception from what I understand in his life," Archer noted. "He's done a good job of running their offense. The guy is 50 of 69. I don't care who you play that's pretty good. He played Florida State and they have good athletes in the secondary. He has done a good job of making decisions. He puts them in the right place. It's the same offense that we played in the bowl game last year. They are doing their shifts, their motions, they are sugarcoating what they do. They basically run one or two plays, zone play left, zone play right, but they do it different ways to different people, and they try to confuse you." Archer does not see much difference however in the Tigers offense this season from the team he saw in the bowl game. "It's basically the same. They had to replace a number of their offensive linemen. They had to replace Chansi Stuckey, who was a big part of their offense. But Kelly is back. Their two backs are the real deal. I cringe to have to play them again," he said. Despite the success Harper has enjoyed early in the season, the Wolfpack will probably expect a healthy dose of the Davis-Spiller ground attack Saturday. NC State is dead last in the ACC defending the run, giving up 217 yards a game, more than 40 more than Clemson who is 11th in rush defense. "The thing when you look at that, you give up an 80-yard play on the first play of the season, you give up a 69-yard one against Boston College and it kills your average," Archer said. "You look at the other 104 snaps or whatever they've run we've been decent, not great. We still have given up too many big plays in the running game. If we can eliminate that, we did that better last week against the wishbone. The wishbone is the team that you fear the big play. So we are beginning to make strides there." Archer admits preparing for Wofford was not fun for him. "Last week I didn't sleep at all in getting ready for those guys. It's scary getting ready for them," Archer said. "It's hard, it's not regular football. It's option and guys cracking you and dive, quarterback pitch. I woke up every morning at 4 o'clock saying, 'Ok, who's got dive, who's got quarterback, who's got pitch?' I've played that offense twice in the last five years, it's a miserable week, but our players did a great job. They were disciplined. Preparation has gotten better as they've had some success. Coming onto the field today we had a little more zip in our step because we wanted it." Those dreams of defending the wishbone option may now be nightmares of defending the power running of Davis and the speed and finesse of Spiller. Clemson is known to occasionally directly snap to one of their running backs, something Archer has noticed. "They do it a number of different ways," Archer noted. "They do it with Spiller, mostly it's with Spiller and Davis in the backfield. Sometimes Davis is the quarterback and he fakes it to Spiller. Sometimes it's Spiller. It's the same principle. You just got to come up with a plan, how you are going to align to it, how you're going to fix it. Personally we're going to practice it. They run it twice a game. They haven't thrown it yet. We're going to put 11 guys in the box and dare them to throw it, we'll see." But Archer will have a close eye on how Kuhn holds up making his first start. The 6-foot-5, 275-pound true freshman from Germany has seen extensive action in each of the past two contests. "He's a very interesting kid," Archer said. "It's amazing, and he's still got so much to learn, but he made a lot of plays Saturday night. He didn't do it the right way. I mean some of his technique was sloppy but he flew around and made plays. I said to him this week it looks like he is going to play a lot of football, he is going to play against a lot bigger guys, a lot better players. I said, 'If you don't stay low in your pads they might knock you back to the RBC Center.' He said, 'Yeah I see that. They look big.'""

9/19/2007 6:49:59 PM

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"Archer still sees a ton of work ahead for his defense. He would like to see his defensive backs catch some of the potential interceptions rather than breaking them up. He thinks the pass rush needs to improve as well. Archer still sees a defensive back occasionally get into bad habit when playing zone defense as well. "We do a play a lot of man to man, it's not like we've forgotten about man to man," Archer pointed out. "BC game we played 40 percent man to man against them and then we played a little cover two. Last week we did not because of the wishbone. Central Florida we played probably 30 percent man to man. We do it well so we're not forgetting about it. The biggest problem is that when you know you are in zone I got to see the whole peripheral field, I got to see formations, I got to see three people. Where here in man to man I just got to worry you that's it." But Archer is confident that the defense is coming along, even if only gradually. "I think their attitude has been tremendous," Archer said. "They want to win, they have to learn how to win. When you lose nine games in a row, you revert back to bad habits and sometimes you have to give in. You have to change attitudes. It's not that it's a negative attitude, but I've been places, when I was at Kentucky, we had to teach them how to win. They know how to win now, they showed that last Saturday. "We're doing the same thing here. It's a continuing process. It's not physical, it's mental. It's making them believe they can do it. It's making them believe they got to make a play in the fourth quarter to do it. Once they do it they have confidence that they can. I watched the end of the Kentucky game, sitting in my office, and when they got the 15-yard penalty with 20 seconds to go the old Kentucky would have given up. But they believed that they could win. That took five years to get that across because last year that wouldn't have happened.""

9/19/2007 6:50:20 PM

Them: 31
Us: 17

9/19/2007 10:12:44 PM

If we can get the ball to our playmakers (Blackman and Brown) and make a couple of big special teams plays, our defense will keep the game close. If we can't do any of those, we'll lose big.

State 24
Clemson 23

9/19/2007 10:57:02 PM

And remember:




[Edited on September 19, 2007 at 10:59 PM. Reason : ]

9/19/2007 10:59:13 PM

state-27
clemson- 42

9/19/2007 11:01:16 PM

^^^Getting the ball to Andre Brown isn't hard. It is having somewhere for him to go that seems to be hard for our team.

9/19/2007 11:07:22 PM

pack - 24
clumpson - 20

9/19/2007 11:12:33 PM

fuck wrong thread!

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 12:08 AM. Reason : ]

9/20/2007 12:06:14 AM

gg

9/20/2007 12:07:54 AM

9/20/2007 12:47:08 AM

blah

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 1:01 AM. Reason : win ]

9/20/2007 1:00:44 AM

does any body have an extra student ticket? i know someone out there doesnt want to wake up that early.

PM me please

9/20/2007 1:41:54 PM

Clemson - 31
NC State - 17

Beck throws for ~300 yards with 1 TD and 2 INTs. Brown/Eugene rush for ~150 yds. The defense plays well but gives up too many big plays.

Prove me wrong Pack.

9/20/2007 1:54:10 PM

Clemson 28
NC State 13

We play better, but if our run game abandons us like it did happened in B.C., expect this game to get "bowling shoe-ugly" quick.

9/20/2007 1:57:54 PM

what is the song in the background during starting lineups

any ideas?


instead of the scoreboard sound they just have the radio for pack pass

9/20/2007 3:11:47 PM

it gets old quick whatever it is, nothing special

9/20/2007 3:32:48 PM

its been stuck in my head for whatever reason

9/20/2007 3:45:06 PM

9/20/2007 7:06:50 PM

9/20/2007 7:18:14 PM

we should all be making signs about purple since theyll be wearing purple pants, like purple's for pussies or something sweet k

9/20/2007 7:42:56 PM

his sweater should have been purple




[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 7:58 PM. Reason : ]

9/20/2007 7:56:53 PM

thing is that they usually stomp our asses into the ground in their purple pants .. we'll need some more defensive touchdowns if we are going to win this game.

9/20/2007 8:22:11 PM

What are the rules about leaving the game during halftime and coming back? Sorry I can't remember.

9/20/2007 9:42:01 PM

If you leave, you get sent to chapel hill.

9/20/2007 9:49:10 PM

and they'll tase your balls, but I don't think you need to worry

9/20/2007 10:19:26 PM

Clemson - 27
NCSU - 23

9/21/2007 5:44:09 AM