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"bad analogies != you being too stupid to understand them"

I agree. Your bad analogies are just wrong.

9/20/2007 6:19:39 PM

i really shouldnt expect people to understand simple analogies when they bend over backwards to defend Ahmadinejad

9/20/2007 6:46:37 PM

who are you referring to?

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 6:49 PM. Reason : ,]

9/20/2007 6:48:56 PM

you missed it? i figured you had read Page 1 since you posted on Page 1

how bout HUR, moron and Golovko for starters

9/20/2007 6:50:41 PM

well, you also are accusing them of not understanding your "simple analogies," so i just want to be sure here

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 6:57 PM. Reason : ,]

9/20/2007 6:56:44 PM

HUR makes an analogy of a terrorist leader who has vowed death to America to "the guy in the cubicle down the hall...undermin(ing) one of (his) important projects" but I get shit for bad analogies? give me a fucking break

i guess i overestimate most of you...analogies are ways of making complicated situations easier to understand...I guess I'll have to dumb it down even more for some of you

i mean half of you have more bad things to say about Bush on a day to day basis than Ahmadinejad, i dont know why i even bother

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 7:05 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 7:08 PM. Reason : .]

9/20/2007 7:00:08 PM

Actually, Bush and Ahmadinejad are very similar IMO.

Both are ultra-nationalists who appeal to the religious and bloodthirsty factions of their populace, they both prefer brinkmanship to diplomacy, and neither appears to be very smart.

They even kind of look alike, if you can imagine Bush with dark hair and a beard.

9/20/2007 7:51:10 PM

nahs ahmedinajad is a former soccer player and is "hot" and physical. its like if joe montanna was the president

9/20/2007 7:56:02 PM

Bush was a college cheerleader, which would be way hotter except for the fact that he's a dude.

PS keep your faggy shit in shit shat.

9/20/2007 8:05:07 PM

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"HUR makes an analogy of a terrorist leader who has vowed death to America "

Last time i checked Ahmadinejad was the president of Iran not a terrorist leader. Using your logic I guess JFK was a terrorist leader also for arming and supporting the rebel faction of cubans during the bay of pigs

9/20/2007 8:13:01 PM

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"Prawn Star All American 3012 Posts user info edit post Actually, Bush and Ahmadinejad are very similar IMO. "

^does the guy down the hall who shafted you on a past project at work wish death on your children?

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 8:29 PM. Reason : .]

9/20/2007 8:25:02 PM

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"Iranians are actively supplying arms to militant groups in Iraq and the government is, at best, turning a blind eye, at worst, actively supporting this."

Isn't the United States government actively supplying arms to militant groups in countries all over the world?

9/20/2007 9:06:21 PM

No, not really. Most of our training guerillas and supplying arms to insurgent groups was during the cold war, when fighting communism was our #1 priority in foreign policy.

We supply military aid to some of our allies, including Israel. But we don't train shady militant groups to blow up civilian targets like Iran does. We left that kind of shit behind after the cold war ended.

[Edited on September 20, 2007 at 9:32 PM. Reason : 2]

9/20/2007 9:31:26 PM

^^ I'm not claiming the moral high ground, just the Machiavellian one. We don't have to let someone who is actively or passively encouraging the death of our Soldiers onto one of our more hallowed spots.

We really don't lose anything by this, a month from now no one will remember us saying no, but a photo lasts forever.

9/20/2007 9:38:04 PM

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"We left that kind of shit [US-sponsored Terrorist Training] behind after the cold war ended."

so... we've been clean and sober now for what? bout 16, 18 years?

9/21/2007 12:05:48 AM

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"If it were up to me he would be arrested the second he steps on US soil. he is a criminal and by most accounts was directly involved in taking Americans hostage in 1979."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_immunity

9/21/2007 1:34:38 AM

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"^ I think it's a little more complicated than that. Yes, by letting him do what he wants to do, we gain higher moral ground. But, you have to take a lot of people's feelings into consideration. We have no evidence that he's ever committed any terrorist act. But, we have hunches. And hunches are enough to turn people off."

hunches? there are no hunches or evidence to support any of this. Bush wants a war with Iran so Bush will say anything and do anything to get it. You think every Arab or Muslim took part in terrorist attacks against the US. Maybe you should declare war on southeast Asian muslims too while you are at it, and round up every Muslim American and put them in concentration camps because of their part in 9/11. By most of you people's way of thinking, it would be insulting and devastating if a Muslim visited ground zero to pay his/her respects.

Its funny to think that most of you believed and still believe that Saddam and Iraq had any part in 9/11 attacks.

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"If it were up to me he would be arrested the second he steps on US soil. he is a criminal and by most accounts was directly involved in taking Americans hostage in 1979"

He and George W Bush can share a cell and contemplate their crimes against humanity. Then again even if he did have a part of the hostage taking in 79, its a slap on the wrist compared to Bush's crimes and the number of innocent lives he's taken. Not to mention invading a sovereign country for no real reason.

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"No, not really. Most of our training guerillas and supplying arms to insurgent groups was during the cold war, when fighting communism was our #1 priority in foreign policy. We supply military aid to some of our allies, including Israel. But we don't train shady militant groups to blow up civilian targets like Iran does. We left that kind of shit behind after the cold war ended."

you've moved onto bigger things right? Or is it because most of the people the US have trained are now fighting the US? Where's that thread that lists every wrongful act the CIA has committed in a foreign country and how many of the dictators the US has empowered that turned out to be pure evil.

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 1:42 AM. Reason : fda]

9/21/2007 1:37:59 AM

silly Golovoko you must be a terrorist. You are talking bad about the good ole USA the shining beacon of democracy and freedom throughout the world. If you do not like the way we do shit then GTFO

9/21/2007 1:47:21 AM

el oh el. I'm talking bad about the administration and the bad things with this country. And don't say beacon of freedom OR democracy until 1) I can buy a beer after 2am and drink it on a public beach and 2) voting actually works

9/21/2007 1:48:53 AM

We get it. The US has a checkered past (and present) when it comes to foreign policy. Thats tangential to the point of this thread.

Our foreign policy blunders are irrelevant to the issue of letting Ahmadinejad mug for the camera at ground zero. He is an enemy of the US, specifically in our so-called "war on terror". I agree that the "war on terror" is a misnomer and that Bush has just as much blood on his hands as Ahmadinejad. But that doesn't mean that we should let a sworn enemy who condones terrorist attacks on the US anywhere near ground zero.

So shut the fuck up about Bush already, or move it to another thread.

9/21/2007 2:13:35 AM

If anything Bush has increased the resolve of the terrorists in the Middle East and his actions reinforce the reasons why the radical islamic leaders do not like the US anyway.

I guess Bush really does not care since it lets him look like a hero by "fighting the war on terror" , providing a steady supply of defense contracts to his buddies in industry, and gives him an excuse to expand the power of the executive branch in the name of "homeland security.

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 11:26 AM. Reason : l]

9/21/2007 11:26:13 AM

so they liked us before 9/11? oh wait, that might flaw your logic some.

some of you have to get your head out of the sand and realize that this fight was brewing for a long time and it was a long time coming regardless of Bush's shortcomings. Regardless of your feelings for the man (and I dont like him either) Bush is not the root cause of terrorism and he has done a good job in taking the fight to them and preventing anymore attacks at home. Iran is a major sponsor of our enemy publicly and privately.

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 11:42 AM. Reason : . ]

9/21/2007 11:39:42 AM

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"o they liked us before 9/11? oh wait, that might flaw your logic some. some of you have to get your head out of the sand and realize that this fight was brewing for a long time and it was a long time coming regardless of Bush's shortcomings. Regardless of your feelings for the man (and I dont like him either) Bush is not the root cause of terrorism"

I never claimed he was. He did not help the situation much either.

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"good job in taking the fight to them and preventing anymore attacks at home."

yeah he sure did
That is why instead of single despot keeping the population of Iraq together in fear. We have a bunch of factions fighting for control in the power vacuum of Iraq; with people living in fear that some random crazy is going blow themselves up in the town square any give day.

Fighting terrorist cells is not like trying to take out a conventional established government. If you cut off the head another is just going to grow back. Furthermore our occupation of the region is fanning the flames of radical Islamic clerics to get new recruits.

9/21/2007 11:54:58 AM

despite all the griping on Bush and the situation in Iraq you simply have to acknowledge that his policies and actions have prevented more terrorist attacks here at home. isnt that the most important thing?

9/21/2007 12:09:38 PM

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"despite all the griping on Bush and the situation in Iraq you simply have to acknowledge that his policies and actions have prevented more terrorist attacks here at home"

that's one of the most asinine things i've ever heard.

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 12:35 PM. Reason : .,]

9/21/2007 12:33:39 PM

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"If anything Bush has increased the resolve of the terrorists in the Middle East and his actions reinforce the reasons why the radical islamic leaders do not like the US anyway. I guess Bush really does not care since it lets him look like a hero by "fighting the war on terror" , providing a steady supply of defense contracts to his buddies in industry, and gives him an excuse to expand the power of the executive branch in the name of "homeland security."

What the FUCK does this have to do with letting Ahmadinejad visit ground zero?

Quit hijacking this thread and go on a Bush bashing circle jerk with Golovko somewhere else.

9/21/2007 12:59:27 PM

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"despite all the griping on Bush and the situation in Iraq you simply have to acknowledge that his policies and actions have prevented more terrorist attacks here at home. isnt that the most important thing?"

That is like if the government encouraged park rangers to go around and start forest fires. At the same time the fire department budgets around the US are increased 10 times to fight the forest fires. At least the policies and actions to augment the fire department have prevented more forests from burning down. isn't that the most important part???

9/21/2007 1:01:37 PM

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"Our foreign policy blunders are irrelevant to the issue of letting Ahmadinejad mug for the camera at ground zero. He is an enemy of the US, specifically in our so-called "war on terror"."

9/21/2007 1:03:05 PM

^^ You come up with the worst analogies I've ever seen in my life. You must have bombed the analogy questions on the SAT.

9/21/2007 1:27:32 PM

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"that's one of the most asinine things i've ever heard. "

is it not true? I am looking forward to november '08 as much as the next guy but there havent been any more attacks on US soil. that counts for something.

9/21/2007 1:33:50 PM

is it true that there have been no attacks since 9/11....DURR...we all know that answer to that

is it true that there have been no attacks since 9/11 specifically because of bush's policies....uh...i dont know how anyone can claim to know the answer to that


[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 2:25 PM. Reason : /]

9/21/2007 2:22:44 PM

Anybody who tries to say Bush hasn't put more of an emphasis on homeland security than previous administrations is just lying to themselves...now if 9/11 happened under another President's watch, I'm sure that other president would also step up homeland security...once again you get people's hatred of Bush clogging up their rational thought...they'll eat up any Bush bashing the media feeds them though so its no real surprise

9/21/2007 2:27:06 PM

hey dumbass, we were talking about his actions in IRAQ, not homeland security

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"despite all the griping on Bush and the situation in Iraq you simply have to acknowledge that his policies and actions have prevented more terrorist attacks here at home"

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 2:28 PM. Reason : see, i bolded it for you]

9/21/2007 2:28:11 PM

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"is it true that there have been no attacks since 9/11....DURR...we all know that answer to that is it true that there have been no attacks since 9/11 specifically because of bush's policies....uh...i dont know how anyone can claim to know the answer to that "

great job with the 'DURR' thing. pretty funny and original.

the evidence is pretty strong that US operations have severely limited Al Queda's ability to carry out attacks, especially a large scale one. most of Bin Laden's top guys have been arrested or killed along with countless others within their organization. his ability to plan and communicate with the outside world is limited to messengers with mules or propaganda videos. he has zero operating capacity.

how anyone can claim that that hasnt prevented more attacks here in the US is insane. Bush is the boss so he gets the credit for that, much like he gets the blame for the bad shit.

9/21/2007 2:36:48 PM

dude, bin laden's operational capacity means absolutely dick. he's just a figurehead. he doesn't give out orders. al qaeda is not a centrally controlled terrorist organization anymore. (wonder why?...hmm )

thousands of cells across the world do as they damn well please.

BESIDES ALL OF THAT. HOW THE FUCK DO BUSH'S POLICIES AND ACTIONS IN IRAQ HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BIN LADEN (other than acting as a rallying call for people to join in bin laden's ultimate goal, of course)

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 2:47 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2007 2:42:43 PM

^are you intentionally trolling or is your hatred for bush so deeply ingrained in your head that you come across as an idiot?

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"despite all the griping on Bush and the situation in Iraq you simply have to acknowledge that his policies and actions have prevented more terrorist attacks here at home"

allow me to simplify this simple statement for simpleminded fools like yourself:

Despite all the griping about Bush and Iraq.........

You must acknowledge that Bush's policies and actions in general have prevented more terrorist attacks at home



or you can twist around words like a fucking moron

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"hey dumbass, we were talking about his actions in IRAQ, not homeland security"

try again, retard

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 3:37 PM. Reason : btw focus more on the info than the namecalling in my post ]

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 3:38 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2007 3:28:08 PM

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"the evidence is pretty strong that US operations have severely limited Al Queda's ability to carry out attacks, especially a large scale one. most of Bin Laden's top guys have been arrested or killed along with countless others within their organization. his ability to plan and communicate with the outside world is limited to messengers with mules or propaganda videos. he has zero operating capacity."

Did Fox News tell you this??

oh-shit terror alert RED

9/21/2007 3:47:35 PM

so his dead/arrested cronies help plan attacks on US soil? because they really have since 9/11 (which is the point you are missing)

9/21/2007 3:53:19 PM

i think some people hate Bush so much, they almost want another terrorist attack on US soil just so they can say "I told you so" or "looks like Bush isnt doing a great job after all!"

makes me sick

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"i mean half of you have more bad things to say about Bush on a day to day basis than Ahmadinejad, i dont know why i even bother"

9/21/2007 4:07:35 PM

We should have let Hitler visit Pearl Harbor.

9/21/2007 4:12:20 PM

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"Our foreign policy blunders are irrelevant to the issue of letting Ahmadinejad mug for the camera at ground zero. He is an enemy of the US, specifically in our so-called "war on terror". I agree that the "war on terror" is a misnomer and that Bush has just as much blood on his hands as Ahmadinejad. But that doesn't mean that we should let a sworn enemy who condones terrorist attacks on the US anywhere near ground zero. So shut the fuck up about Bush already, or move it to another thread."

Its simple minded people that believed and still believe Saddam was as much a part of the 9/11 attacks as Bin Laden. Same people also believe that Ahmadinejad is as much involved. The problem these days is the administration knows its audience and can easily manipulate simple minded Americans who have no knowledge or experience outside of their own state let alone their own country. So anything the government says is golden. Education and general common sense is definitely not an American strong point, but hey at least you are 'free' to be stupid.

as far as Bin Laden goes, he isn't a master mind of any attacks. He's just the go to guy to get things done. Other cells come to him with their plots in order to get financing and the right connections. This has been widely known for many many years. To call him the master mind of all things terrorist is giving him too much credit.

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"i think some people hate Bush so much, they almost want another terrorist attack on US soil just so they can say "I told you so" or "looks like Bush isnt doing a great job after all!""

I think some people are so disgusted with Bush because he's degraded the highest honor any American citizen can have in serving his/her country. If someone of such little intelligence and ignorance can become President, whats that say about the rest of the population who elected him?


For people to claim Bush has reduced terrorist attacks in the US is retarded. You act like before Bush we lived in a war zone filled with terrorism and death. Before 9/11 the last terrorist attack on homeland soil was when? 1993? Not counting embassy bombings (which are still going on to this day) or USS Coles getting holes blown in their hulls etc etc....So really he's done nothing for that except alienate some minority US citizens and create more enemies on the international level.

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 4:39 PM. Reason : fda]

9/21/2007 4:32:06 PM

so you are trying to equate the pre-9/11 threat level with the post 9/11 threat level? come on. every Bush hater on this thread rushes to point out the fact that because of him, radicals hate us more than ever before. which is it?

9/21/2007 4:42:56 PM

bush haters don't share a brain. We, unlike Bush supporters, have the ability to think for ourselves. The whole purpose of a democracy and freedom is for the free citizens to question their leadership and not follow them blindly like sheep into the wolves den. AKA Bush Supporters.

Terrorism has always been a big threat to the US and to the UK and still is. Before Bush there were numerous attempts on the WTC. We don't know if Bush's administration was the cause of 9/11* or if they were just elected at the right time, but Bush's response and reaction seems very 'pre-scripted' and disastrous. They went into office wanting a war and they got it soon after.


*I'm not saying its some government conspiracy or due to lack of security or whatever, take it as you will.

And when i talk about Bush I don't just mean the ape we see on TV talking. I'm referring to his 'behind the scenes' puppet masters. We all know Bush is not Presidential material and without his 'puppet masters' wouldn't have lasted 30 seconds in office. The guy was governor of Texas for crying out loud. Its more of a glorified 'playboy' position then a real government office. (In Texas at least)

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 4:53 PM. Reason : fda]

9/21/2007 4:51:13 PM

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" Its simple minded people that believed and still believe Saddam was as much a part of the 9/11 attacks as Bin Laden. Same people also believe that Ahmadinejad is as much involved. The problem these days is the administration knows its audience and can easily manipulate simple minded Americans who have no knowledge or experience outside of their own state let alone their own country. So anything the government says is golden. Education and general common sense is definitely not an American strong point, but hey at least you are 'free' to be stupid. as far as Bin Laden goes, he isn't a master mind of any attacks. He's just the go to guy to get things done. Other cells come to him with their plots in order to get financing and the right connections. This has been widely known for many many years. To call him the master mind of all things terrorist is giving him too much credit. Quote : "i think some people hate Bush so much, they almost want another terrorist attack on US soil just so they can say "I told you so" or "looks like Bush isnt doing a great job after all!"" I think some people are so disgusted with Bush because he's degraded the highest honor any American citizen can have in serving his/her country. If someone of such little intelligence and ignorance can become President, whats that say about the rest of the population who elected him? For people to claim Bush has reduced terrorist attacks in the US is retarded. You act like before Bush we lived in a war zone filled with terrorism and death. Before 9/11 the last terrorist attack on homeland soil was when? 1993? Not counting embassy bombings (which are still going on to this day) or USS Coles getting holes blown in their hulls etc etc....So really he's done nothing for that except alienate some minority US citizens and create more enemies on the international level. "

Golovko FTW

9/21/2007 5:09:03 PM

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"or you can twist around words like a fucking moron"

says that guy that actually added words to someone else's statement to twist the meaning

so he could make the point that i was twisting words around

JESUS, MAN. how can we take you seriously??

9/21/2007 5:24:38 PM

if i have to add words to make you understand a concept, i'll gladly do it since your brain is incapable of understanding it in the first place

the point was not to call you out for twisting words around...IT WAS TO INFORM YOU WHAT THE SIMPLE STATEMENT MEANT, since you severely misinterpreted his statement

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"Its simple minded people that believed and still believe Saddam was as much a part of the 9/11 attacks as Bin Laden"

who said saddam had as much to do with 9/11 as bin ladin? is the only way you can win to bring up points that nobody is even attempting to make? his point was that if you can say only one postive thing about bush, he's stepped up security...i pointed out that any president, when faced with 9/11, would also probably step up security...but Bush was President...if you blame him for nearly everything bad since its "his watch", you have to give him some credit

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"If someone of such little intelligence and ignorance can become President, whats that say about the rest of the population who elected him?"

Do you all honestly think he is that dumb? Do you truly believe that he is as dumb as talk show hosts make him seem? Do you think his job is easy or something? I'd tell you he isn't but if you really think he is I'm certainly not gonna convince you anything about him (btw i'm sure none of you have ever met him)



--

ps i dont hate any of you or think any of you are idiots or retards

just your idiotic and retarded ass ideas



[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 5:56 PM. Reason : final edit]

9/21/2007 5:35:12 PM

^enter in the simpletons. We get it man, so from hence forth we will just skip over your posts because you are nothing more than a 'rinse and repeat' poster.

9/21/2007 5:45:10 PM

you call me a simpleton cause you think you're smart...you think you see through the foggy half truth that the govt puts out there...you think you're smart enough to decipher all the media lies and sways

in reality you're just a slave to a different aspect of the media...no different really...and CERTAINLY no smarter

btw you may want to re-read my last post...i edited out some of the garbage namecalling to attempt to make a more coherent post

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 5:50 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2007 5:48:37 PM

I'm not a slave to any media. I don't ever watch the so called news. I call you a simpleton because you eat and breath this bullshit you get fed everyday. You live in a bubble in which you think the world is some evil place and America is heaven. I've been to and experienced many cultures on 5 continents and lived on 3. I see America as it should be and as it once was, a place for all cultures to inhabit under one banner and live the dream. You see it as the big boss man in a world of tyranny and that all others should be eliminated from the face of the earth, which is the bullshit your so called brave leader feeds you.

9/21/2007 5:54:54 PM

i think you're getting me confused with somebody else

[Edited on September 21, 2007 at 6:01 PM. Reason : set em up]

9/21/2007 5:56:51 PM