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10/4/2007 4:36:15 PM

grand slam 6-3 rockies

10/4/2007 4:36:39 PM

Go fuck yourself Kaz.

V of course not... but that fucker was horrid in New York and he has been pretty damn good in COL

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 4:39 PM. Reason : I'm actually kind of happy for him but still fuck him..]

10/4/2007 4:37:05 PM

^ Are you a Phillies fan now?

10/4/2007 4:38:32 PM

Lohse

10/4/2007 4:55:48 PM

^^ No he just hates Kaz because he sucked as a met.

Quote :

"I like Rollins and would have no problems with him winning MVP... BUT his 2007 wasn't all that much better than Reyes' 2006. People go gaga over his HR total mainly but he plays in a Little League Park. 11 of his 30 HRs were on the road. 19 were in CBP, which is a freaking joke of a park. His OBP was mediocre for a leadoff hitter and his defense is slightly above league average, though it was better this year then it has been in the past."

I wont argue the Reyes-Rollins comparison, but Rollins deserves the MVP for more than just stats. Rollins was the ONLY Phillie doing anything early in the season when the Phillies were in the shitter. Had he given up like the rest of the team seemingly had, they would not be in the playoffs.

Also since you cherry picked stats by picking his worst stat (OBP), I'll throw some out. 94 RBIs for a leadoff man, 139 Runs scored (most ever by an NL SS), 531 SLUG for a leadoff SS, 41 SBs, 212 hits, started all 162 games (had not been done in forever by a NL SS), reached base over 250 times.

He was almost as good on the road as he was at home: Also he hit 12 HRs on the road, not 11 as you said.

1. He had 47 RBIs on the road, 47 at home.
2. He had 25 doubles on the road, 13 at home.
3. 9 triples on the road, 11 at home.
4. 556 Slug at home, 507 on the road.
5. 336 OBP at home, 352 on the road.
6. 69 runs scored at home, 70 on the road.
7. 193 total bases at home, 187 on the road.

Rollins stats are not even as remotely weighted towards his home field as Holliday's are (Holliday's home field SLUG was 722, road is 485), yet you and packboozie act like he didn't do shit on the road. Both you guys just don't like him because he is a Phillie. I am a Brave fan and I realize he deserves the award.

[Edited on October 4, 2007 at 5:01 PM. Reason : k]

10/4/2007 5:01:25 PM

^ NL Howard.....AL - AROD.....Book it

10/4/2007 5:06:59 PM

^ A-Rod yes, Howard = no chance in hell.

Holliday is my pick (even with his horribly home inflated stats). Rollins is a close second.

10/4/2007 5:14:28 PM

Quote :

"Look at Rollins numbers pre 2006 and tell me again that he is a power hitter. That stadium is a joke and the reason that 200 K/a year man Ryan Howard stole a MVP from Pujols last year. People give Holliday and any Rockie shit because of Coors....guess what stadium had the most home runs hit in it this year? Philly. "

There's no question that Citizens Bank Park is the most hitter-friendly park in MLB. Rollins wouldn't hit for this kind of power anywhere else, but I mean it's not like he hit 28 of his 30 at home. And almost 100 RBI's in the leadoff spot is just ridiculous no matter where you play...the guy has been unbelievably clutch and is a total bases machine. Not to mention he's an All-Star defensive SS. Although personally I like Holliday to win it this year.

But do not be so quick to discredit Howard. He hits plenty of HR's on the road (exactly half this year), and of those i'd say almost 3/4 are to opposite field. And sure the strikeouts were ridiculous but .270 is not exactly awful, and he still finished with almost 50 HR and 140 RBI...and has done it all since June. And last year's team wouldn't have even sniffed the post-season last year if not for him. So he didn't steal anything.

10/4/2007 5:20:29 PM

^^^and what he said about Rollins

10/4/2007 5:21:43 PM

Say good night Phillies !!

10/4/2007 6:00:11 PM

Wow Tony Gwynn makes Charles Barkley look skinny and makes Tim Duncan sound black

10/4/2007 6:33:56 PM

1 zip Yanks

10/4/2007 6:43:11 PM

yanks/indians...

look at first row on the left, dude is wearing an nc state shirt

10/4/2007 7:13:31 PM

are they chanting 'Yankees Suck'?

10/4/2007 7:30:55 PM

That sounds like Ron Darling doing the Cubbies color... he's damn good as a Color guy.. one of the best in the biz IMO. But I listen to him 160+ times a year so I'm biased.

10/5/2007 1:11:51 AM

goddamn fucking cubs

10/5/2007 1:13:52 AM

THE EAST COAST RULES!

10/5/2007 1:23:16 AM

time for dice-k to earn every cent we paid for him



[Edited on October 5, 2007 at 11:32 AM. Reason : h]

10/5/2007 11:32:18 AM

Quote :

"So he didn't steal anything."

Haha okay you started it. I am going to go ahead and lay out what I did last year in this argument.

Quote :

"packboozie All American 7991 Posts user info edit post The voters didn't pick the right guy. Their numbers offensively are almost identical except Albert missed 19 games. But there are 5 more factors that should have been put in: 1) Pujols team made the playoffs by winning their division MOSTLY because of him 2) Pujols was awarded Gold Glove 1B, so obviously Pujols is better at 1st base than Howard. 3) Their Batting Averages with runners in scoring position: Pujols .397.......Howard .239 4) Strikeouts/Walks: Pujols 50/92 Howard 181/108-An MVP doesn't K 181 fucking times. 5) Game winning RBI: Pujols 26 Howard 17. Which means Pujols WON the Cards 9 more games. Which is more imporant? Homeruns or game-winning performances???? I think I have done enough here, I have stated the stats and proved why Pujols is more fucking valuable. But whatever. All I know is Pujols has a damn ring baby [Edited on November 21, 2006 at 2:00 AM. Reason : Look at the K/BB ratio damn what an MVP] 11/21/2006 1:59:34 AM"

10/5/2007 12:00:30 PM

Just to play Devil's advocate.

1) The Phillies actually finished with a BETTER record than the Cards last year. It was dumb luck that the Cards were in the shittiest division in baseball.
2) The Gold Glove is so poilitical. There are many more, far better 1B than Pujols... but Howard is a hack there.
3) & 4) good stuff. right on. It amazes me how a guy with Pujols power can K so little. He might be up there with the Babe in that respect.
5) This is one of the most retarded stats in baseball and I can't believe, since you seem to know baseball pretty well, you would cite it. Game winning RBIs can come in the first inning of a 21-0 blowout. Close and late splits paint a much clearer picture.

[Edited on October 5, 2007 at 12:04 PM. Reason : x]

10/5/2007 12:04:06 PM

This is true but the BAs with RISP is amazing.

Do you think Howard should have won over Pujols?

10/5/2007 12:10:42 PM

well i don't necessarily think Howard should've won, i think both were deserving and i can see the argument for both. but surely you know MVP isn't just about stats - i think the deciding factor last year was where the Phillies would have ended up without him, and that was probably in worse shape than STL....i seem to remember him single-handedly winning plenty of games down the stretch by himself when the rest of the offense was sputtering

10/5/2007 5:20:58 PM

Well, then by that logic Wright has an argument still... The Mets would have been far worse without his clutch hitting and his numbers blow Rollins out across the board (OBP, OPS, HR, RBI, even SB are so close)...

I don't care how valuable Wright was to the Mets, the Mets failing to make the playoffs, killed any chance he had at winning... you can make the argument it should have done the same to Howard.

There is a Sabremetric stat called Win Shares. Look it up for '07...

[Edited on October 5, 2007 at 5:24 PM. Reason : wright was leading the NL but Rollins may have closed teh gap... I don't know.]

10/5/2007 5:24:34 PM

lol at abreu

10/5/2007 7:12:06 PM

at least there aint no bugs in cleveland

10/5/2007 7:59:09 PM

i can't imagine playing in that

10/5/2007 8:00:10 PM

one of cleveland's countless great qualities

10/5/2007 8:00:29 PM

I dont think Ive ever seen bugs affect a game like that.

10/5/2007 8:02:38 PM

i remember watching a game like this once before...milwaukee i think

10/5/2007 8:03:46 PM

what kind of bugs are those?


EWWWWWWW JESUS CHRIST HIS NECK

[Edited on October 5, 2007 at 8:05 PM. Reason : ewwwwwww]

10/5/2007 8:04:48 PM

ick

10/5/2007 8:07:26 PM

one of cleveland's countless great qualities

10/5/2007 8:10:23 PM

canadian soldiers??? haha

10/5/2007 8:10:55 PM

Canadian Soldiers....basically flying ants. My GOD that is disgusting. Ants are bad, but flying ones????? FUCKING A

10/5/2007 8:11:23 PM

there should be some pretty hilarious photos from the game involving players violently swatting at gnats or "noseeums" or whatever

10/5/2007 8:13:43 PM

uh oh uh oh uh oh uh oh

10/5/2007 8:15:23 PM

come on Arod... You can do it!

















You can choke!

10/5/2007 8:22:08 PM

A-rod does it again

10/5/2007 8:24:07 PM

Yeah he might have faith in Fausto to pitch in that situation

But he probably has even more faith that A-Rod will choke

10/5/2007 8:25:46 PM

10/5/2007 8:25:47 PM

uh oh

10/5/2007 8:49:07 PM

heads up play right thur

10/5/2007 11:19:04 PM

come on angels, you're the only AL playoff team I don't hate

10/6/2007 12:30:17 AM

^ I hate them for their inability to pick a city. Shit's retarted.

10/6/2007 12:32:13 AM

^I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks that

10/6/2007 12:39:01 AM

OH HELL YEAH

10/6/2007 12:44:57 AM

man what a blast

10/6/2007 12:47:18 AM

fantastic games today

man, MLB postseason is the heat

10/6/2007 1:25:57 AM

http://tinyurl.com/27b2ya


CLEVELAND – Even before Gen. Moses Cleaveland arrived here in 1796 and first surveyed what would become a delirious baseball town on the shores of Lake Erie, residents occasionally had to deal with swarms of gnat-like insects called midges, which descend in vicious waves from Canada and overwhelm just about any warm body.

Friday, in an eighth inning of a game where the Cleveland Indians couldn't swat a fly if it meant pushing a run across the plate, the midges arrived unannounced and landed, seemingly all at once, on Joba Chamberlain's neck.

Or they danced in front of the normally unflappable New York Yankees reliever's face. Or they buzzed his ears, got in his eyes, nose, mouth and psyche.

"It was like blankets of stuff out there. They came in sheets," Yankees manager Joe Torre said. "He was having trouble seeing out there."

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Mostly, he was having trouble pitching. Leading 1-0 in the eighth inning, the Yankees were about to steal Game 2 of the American League division series, riding the great pitching of Andy Pettitte to offset their woeful offense.

And then some kind of biblical locust landing occurred.

Suddenly, Chamberlain, swarmed by bugs, walked Grady Sizemore. Then he threw a wild pitch. Then, with Sizemore on third, he threw another wild pitch, allowing the Indians to tie the game.

Three innings later, with the bugs mostly gone due to a slight breeze, the Indians won it 2-1 on a Travis Hafner single. Cleveland leads the ALDS 2-0 as the best-of-five series moves to the Bronx on Sunday.

"I've never seen anything like that before," Torre said. "Especially all of a sudden coming on the scene like that."

It's common enough here that games have been delayed due to the bugs. However, the idea of a delay apparently didn't dawn on anyone. Torre said he didn't ask. The umps never gathered to discuss it. The Indians certainly weren't going to complain as Chamberlain lost his concentration.

"We've had that happen a few times," said Indians manager Eric Wedge, who like any Clevelander is familiar with the occasional midge mauling. "Every now and again, at certain points they show up. Whatever the reason, they did tonight."

Perhaps, after all these years and all these Cleveland losses, God decided to become an Indians fan. He certainly couldn't have picked a better time or the better Old Testament vengeance for fouling up the Yankees.

Drought, mildew and famine would have lacked the immediate impact. Pestilence would have been too mean; fire mixed with blood too messy; grasshoppers, probably too obvious.

The midges were just enough.

"It was at a bad time," Torre said.

Of course, neither divine intervention nor the fly patterns of gnat-like insects are responsible for the pathetic Yankees offense.

The reason New York is on the brink of another October disappointment (they've won just three of their last 15 playoff games) is the decided lack of offense from its highly paid lineup.

Among the regulars, only Bobby Abreu is hitting above .167 for the series. Four Yankees, including 4-5-6 hitters Alex Rodriguez, Hideki Matsui and Jorge Posada, are hitless. Derek Jeter (.125) and Johnny Damon (.111) are only slightly better.

A lineup that was supposed to be murderous can't even be called Misdemeanor's Row.

A night after managing just five hits in a 12-3 loss, the Yankees got just three in 11 innings off starter Fausto Carmona and reliever Rafael Perez.

The focus, of course, will be on Rodriguez, the highly paid lighting rod who has thus far capped another MVP-caliber season with a pathetic playoff performance. And to think he is expected to opt out of his current mega-contract to seek more money.

"A-Rod, he's not the only one," Torre said. "We just really didn't get anything going."

The Yankees were hoping to ride Pettitte, the prodigal son who returned from the Houston Astros and delivered some old playoff magic. He shut out the Indians into the seventh and left with one out and a 1-0 lead.

Chamberlain, the 22-year-old legend-in-the-making, took the mound and immediately ended an Indians rally. New York was six outs – three from Chamberlain, three from closer Mariano Rivera – from squaring the series.

Then the midges descended. They swarmed the infield, where the wet dirt seemed to attract them. They were of little nuisance for the outfielders, dugout-dwellers and the 44,732 fans.

Chamberlain and others were sprayed down with insect repellent, but it did nothing against the midges. According to a state of Ohio website, the insects can be so aggressive that "piles of eight to twelve inches of dead midges may accumulate in unwanted places."

For the Yankees, that unwanted place was the middle of the ALDS.

10/6/2007 10:01:28 AM