i don't have to back that up with any statistical data, it is common knowledge that bunting to move the runner over to 2nd base is not typically a double play.

It has become clear to me that you are a complete faggot.

10/17/2007 5:36:13 PM

But what is their success rate? high or low? I stand corrected. There, Im a man. I was wrong, I got corrected. Not that hard.

10/17/2007 5:37:04 PM

the success rate is extremely high and if I had to guess I'd say 90% or higher you ignorant queer

10/17/2007 5:38:22 PM

You don't have to call the guy a faggot just cause he doesn't know baseball. That just isn't cool.

But yeah, bunts are basically guaranteed to work in the Bigs... hell even pitchers can get them down.

With no outs and a runner on 1st, unless you have a really good hitter up or a fast runner at 1st, man I bunt almost every time.

10/17/2007 5:39:24 PM

hey I call em like I see em

10/17/2007 5:40:38 PM

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"my point; this sport requiret the least amount of "coaching" when compared to other team sports. "

I can appreciate the fact that you're making an honest attempt to discuss the importance of a manager in baseball.

Reason - a HUGE portion of the duties attended to by a baseball manager takes place BETWEEN games, not just during the games. This is a partial breakdown of managerial duties:

1) Who should pitch?

- Who's up in our rotation?
- How well has this pitcher performed lately? Against this particular team?
- How many pitches should I allow him to throw before taking him out?
- Who's ready in the bull-pen to finish the game? to take over if the starter pitches poorly?
- Who's available in the minor leagues if a spot opens up?
- Who needs to be sent down due to poor performance?
- Who's coming off injured reserve?

2) What's the line-up?
- Who's hitting well?
- Should I put in the best infield or the best hitters?
- Should I plan to play small-ball with singles, hit-runs, steals, bunts, and walks, or look to hit home-runs?
- Who's injured/need a day off?
- How can I maximize runs scored with the hitters I have?
- Who's going to complain/cause issues due to the hitting order?
- Who can I bring up from the minor leagues?
- Which positions are lacking depth? Who can be a replacement?
- Which players can I bring in as a pinch hitter? pinch runner?

3) Who's the opponent?

- Who's the named starter?
- Who are the likely replacements? Bull pen?
- Who on my team is/isn't hitting well against these pitchers?
- Where's the scouting report for those pitchers?
- How can I adjust the defense for this team's lineup?
- Which hitters should I avoid/pitch around?

4) What about special situations?
- When should I hit-n-run?
- Who can steal bases?
- Will a squeeze bunt work? Sac bunt?
- Should the defense play in? Deep? Favor the left side? Right side? Watch for the bunt?
- Should walk the big hitter?
- Should I keep my starter in past 80 pitches? 90? 100? Even if he's dominating? In a tie game? When we have a big lead?
- Should I bring in our ace in the bull pen? Second guy? Right-hander? Left-hander? A power or breaking-ball pitcher?


Hope that helps...

10/17/2007 5:42:13 PM

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"you backed it up with jack!! You made a very very very broad claim and scurried away from backing it up, like a jackass."

pot

kettle

10/17/2007 5:42:17 PM

These guys have confidence problems on here. This is a place where they let their worldly frustrations out. I made an incorrect statement about bunting, I get called a faggott.

But I still have yet to read one decent response to my original claim. ^^ Thanks man. I appreciate a rational response.

[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 5:44 PM. Reason : .]

10/17/2007 5:43:15 PM

^^^

A lot of what you mentioned, the GM actually does.

Second, it isn't too hard to look at a stat sheet and decide who to pitch, when to take them out, etc.



[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 5:46 PM. Reason : ^ Oh, and don't bitch about being called a faggot, nobody wants to hear that shit.]

10/17/2007 5:45:09 PM

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"I made an incorrect statement about bunting, I get called a faggott."

LOL

10/17/2007 5:47:15 PM

Erios, your post is correct. It is a very comprehensive list of all possible decisions a manager MAY have to make during any given day. These decisions are scrutinized more than other sports' decisions because of the pace of the game and the impact they may have.

But if somebody made a list of all the decisions that an NBA coach of NFL coach made it would dwarf that list in comparison. On top of that, many of the deciss made in baseball are done solely on the numbers. It is more of a game of statistics. Match ups matter more in other sports. Again, these decisions (because of the increased scrutiny) probably have a bigger impact on the game, but they are very few compared to other games.

10/17/2007 5:57:55 PM

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"many of the deciss made in baseball are done solely on the numbers."

I think there is an echo in here.

10/17/2007 5:59:42 PM

^^ or any other sport for that matter. Dude is so desperate, he went BETWEEN games a still compile a subpar list of duties. That should tell you something right there.

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"^ Oh, and don't bitch about being called a faggot, nobody wants to hear that shit.] "

I wasnt bitching about that man. I was just stating his rebuttal. calm down please.

[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 6:05 PM. Reason : ,]

10/17/2007 6:03:18 PM

I'm just saying, it's like throwing gas on a fire. Heed my advice... heed.

10/17/2007 6:17:12 PM

can you believe this whiny faggot?

10/17/2007 7:17:32 PM

i'm just posting to point out that someone claimed phil garner was a recognized genius

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10/17/2007 7:58:23 PM

wow man, this thread is awful

10/17/2007 8:35:03 PM

In any sport, what you do day in and day out depends on your staff and those within your organization. If you're the only coach/manager/GM, you're going to have the longest list. If you have a staff that can function well without you, (more likely than not) you're going to have an easier time than one in a dysfunctional organization

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"football, there are plays to be coached. basketball " " " soccer " " " But baseball, you just hit the ball."

There's defense too.
But with going with what you state, once you hit the ball/puck or shoot the ball, is your whole team going to just sit there and watch it? No. Both sides prepare for what they want to get out of it.
As a defense, you better be willing to setup to retrieve the ball/puck and stop the rebound/throw out the runner. The offense has to get ready for a rebound/moving up the runner, if they don't get points out of it. If you don't do either, you'll lose 99% of the time.

[quoteWhy the need for extensive coaching? Do all grown men require leaders or teams will resort to totall complete anarchy? In baseball the manager basically babysits.[/quote]
As a manager, you have to be able to adjust your lineup and rotation for different opponents. Much like in football, where you'd put more players in the box against a running-heavy team. Or in basketball, where you might substitute tall centers for speed with an extra forward or guard. And as in most team sports, you might sacrifice offensive power for a more reliable defensive position for Catcher, Power Forward, or Left Wing. A manager would call for a double steal like a coach would call for a screen play. Defensive positions/plays are also important for these sports. Planning goes into all of this.

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"I can see children being taught the sport (all the funamentals) but on a professional level, it seems pointless."

Pitching and batting is always being taught and developed. If as a player, you fail to improve/learn new mechanics, opponents will know what your weaknesses is.

A pitching coach may help a pitcher develop a new type of pitch for them, a knuckleball for example. They have to learn the mechanics to throw it,work on controlling it within the strike-zone,learn what counts and what situations it is most effective

A batting coach would help a player hit a certain type or location of a pitch. If you can't hit a slider that's low and in, pitchers will ring you up with strikeouts or make you ground-out everytime. Even if you can't hit left handed pitching or change ups, if you can increase your batting average up ten points against it, it's an advantage you gave yourself and your team.

10/17/2007 8:46:57 PM

this thread reminds me of this

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/nascar_coach_reveals_winning

10/17/2007 9:13:38 PM

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"Normally the players decide if they want to steal a base or not. And every player that comes to bat tries his hardest to knock a homer."

Quote :

"One guy tries to hit the ball, the other guy tries to strike you out"

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"you try and knock the crap out of it to increase rbi"

Please show me proof that Billy Beane agrees with these statements

10/18/2007 10:20:26 AM

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"A lot of what you mentioned, the GM actually does."

True, but a MLB manager deals with all of these issues indirectly, if not directly. My list is also a partial list, since it comprises all the duties/responsibilities I could think of off the top of my head.

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"But if somebody made a list of all the decisions that an NBA coach of NFL coach made it would dwarf that list in comparison. "

That's why NFL coaching staffs are enormous. NBA coaches only have to worry about 5 guys on the floor, and no more than 15 players for their team. The NFL and NBA also don't have a three-tier farm system where developing a player often takes several years, if not longer.

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"On top of that, many of the deciss made in baseball are done solely on the numbers. It is more of a game of statistics. "

Shenanigans. It's not easy to keep track of all the numbers associated with all 25 players on your team as they relate to the numbers related to the 25 players on the opposing team. It's also not easy to figure which numbers are truly relevant in any given situation.

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"Match ups matter more in other sports."

Shenanigans again. Match-ups are more easily visible in other sports. Baseball is much more comparable to, say, a game of chess. You have far more pieces in play, and the top-tier players are able to analyze the game on a level that's often far beyond our understanding. I don't pretend to think I could understand how to coach football, basketball, or manage baseball.

Don't marginalize the job that MLB managers do. If it was that easy then everyone would do it. There's a very good reason why the best make millions of dollars managing this game.

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"Again, these decisions (because of the increased scrutiny) probably have a bigger impact on the game, but they are very few compared to other games."

That's why, over a 162-game season, even small impacts can create a huge effect. Knowing when to pull your ace pitcher will allow him to get a few more starts in at the end of the year during the race for playoff spots. Effective bull-pen management gets extra wins during the year AND it's incredibly critical in the playoffs. A small shift in a line-up can make the difference between a 3-game losing streak and back-to-back sweeps.

Over time, effective management is incredibly crucial. Every small decision can potentially make or break your season several months after it happens. Great managing is like great refereeing. People rarely take notice of it unless there's something to complain about.

[Edited on October 18, 2007 at 6:10 PM. Reason : sfd]

10/18/2007 6:09:45 PM