god i'd forgotten all about V...

damn you bastards for reminding me of it...

Quote :

"I don't want my pain taken away! I need my pain! "

if only i could find the PVPonline.com comic that uses that...

10/19/2007 10:13:03 AM

1)II
2)First Contact
3)I
4)Undiscovered Country
5)Nemesis

The rest are just "meh" to me

10/19/2007 11:38:09 AM

I can't believe I'm going to geek out and do this, but I guess there's a first time for everything, and hopefully it'll be the last too...

First Contact - Save your franchise! Just add Borg and time-traveling!
IV - Star Trek brings teh funny.
VI - Cause zero-G Klingon blood just looks fucking cool.
II - Brain-eating sandworms ftw
III - Make your own Spock! Just add water!
-=-
Generations - We're running out of ideas, can you tell?
I - This is Voyager 6. If found, please mod and return to Sol 3. Thank you. -NASA
V - Star Trek gets religion.
-=-
Nemesis - Uhh, lets make the bad guys Borg Klingons facelift people Voyager 6 God whales.. the Romulans.
Insurrection - Who needs a plot anyway?

[Edited on October 19, 2007 at 12:01 PM. Reason : .]

10/19/2007 12:00:47 PM

^pretty much agree

10/19/2007 1:56:24 PM

STAR TREK IXXX:

STELLAR COMEDY

10/19/2007 3:30:58 PM

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3696&Itemid=99

Plot details

11/12/2007 6:00:19 PM

^Not a horrible plot, but they'll really have to work hard to not fuck it up.

11/12/2007 6:37:49 PM

This also has the oddest cast Star Trek movie ever...

Winona Ryder = Spocks mother
Bruce Greenwood = Capt. Pike

new cast additions

11/12/2007 6:44:42 PM

FINALLY THEY MANAGED TO WORK TIME TRAVEL INTO THE PLOT OF A STAR TREK MOVIE. THANK HEAVENS.

11/12/2007 6:48:00 PM

It could be worse, they could have tried to add Q

11/12/2007 6:50:31 PM

^But at least the Q were interesting. That's really more due to John De Lancie's performance, but the concept of a god-like being that was perpetually fucking with humanity was intriguing. The real problem is when the writers castrated the Q (as well as the Borg) during Voyager.

11/12/2007 8:03:23 PM

lets not discuss the plot in this thread until the movie comes out... can we agree to that?

11/13/2007 9:07:42 AM

I seriously thought the cast list was a joke

until I IMDBed it

11/13/2007 9:13:57 AM

^^^ What didn't Voyager castrate?

11/13/2007 1:58:05 PM

Does the Star Trek crew go back in time to bring Al Gore to the future so he can rally people behind dealing with Universal Warming?

11/13/2007 2:24:35 PM

^^ Yeah I guess it was redundant to specify what Voyager ruined.

11/13/2007 6:03:18 PM

11/13/2007 8:26:29 PM

Quote :

"It is precisely because of shitty writing that Trek has become the joke that is. Not all the writers were bad, and the franchise did have its moments; TNG did get better as the seasons went by, and for all its flaws DS9 was a good series. But if you want really bad writing, look no further than Voyager. Every other episode was a holodeck malfunction, a transporter malfunction, something involving time travel that basically "reset" everything so that nobody died and nothing bad actually happened, etc. The concept itself was great, but nearly every episode was just mindless filler. And the episodes that did advance the plot tended to be weak and/or unbelievable. "

most of voyager's episodes are expanding on concepts started in TNG (not to say I support that) so if you think the writing is lame and repititive for voyager than you must think TNG's is even worse, and if you take the average person's opinion of star trek I doubt it would have changed much since tng, if they didn't like the newer series he probably just wouldn't know anything about them

11/13/2007 9:45:47 PM

Quote :

"The real problem is when the writers castrated the Q (as well as the Borg) during Voyager."

the borg were castrated in TNG "The Best of Both Worlds"

11/13/2007 10:47:59 PM

Quote :

"the borg were castrated in TNG "The Best of Both Worlds Part II""

fixed it for you.


Seriously, the ending of Part 1 was awesome..


"Mr. Worf.....Fire"

[Edited on November 13, 2007 at 10:55 PM. Reason : a]

11/13/2007 10:54:49 PM

fascinating

11/14/2007 6:29:27 AM

The Borg kicked ass until they made them look like mutant zombies with wires coming out.

11/14/2007 6:59:54 AM

^i mean that's pretty much what they are.



and BOBW did NOT castrate the borg.

11/14/2007 3:40:34 PM

Quote :

"But if you want really bad writing, look no further than Voyager"

to continue this conversation off track: I thought Voyager failed to develop the characters individually. Every episode was about the entire crew, whereas TNG did a great job of exploring each individual character with multiple episodes focused on just 1 character. TNG also addressed current real issues and wrapping it in a futuristic environment.

That and I got tired of Janeway's flop between trying to be your best friend and being a hard-assed captain.

[Edited on November 14, 2007 at 4:28 PM. Reason : ]

11/14/2007 4:27:31 PM

Quote :

"Every episode was about the entire crew Janeway, the Doctor, or 7 of 9"

Fixed it for you.

TOS: Campy in a good way

TNG: Way too happy, first 2 seasons were pretty terrible, finally found its footing when Riker grew the beard.

DS9: Realized they couldn't make a show last if it just took place on the station, add Worf, the Defiant, and truly bas ass enemy = Trek at its finest.

Voy: Essentially the same as TNG, a concept most were tired of (holodeck malfunctions, showing people the Federation was the best way to do things etc) The majority of the episodes could have easily been set in the Alpha Quadrant and no one would have known. Also pussified the Borg and Q.

Remember the episode about the other Star Trek vessel that was in the Delta Quadrant,the one that had been beat to shit, no holodecks, and had to steal from other societies...that should have been Voyager.

Ent: Well, it tried. The first couple seasons suffered from "Lets talk about how X was invented", seriously transporters, photon torpedoes, red alert, holograms, replicators etc. Just because its a prequel doesn't mean you gotta touch base on everything that was in the other series. After they bought in a new writer, it got good, however not enough to make up for the damage caused already.

11/14/2007 5:49:46 PM

Jennifer Morrison (Cameron from House) will be playing Dr. Carol Marcus (most likely) or Janice Reed

11/18/2007 3:23:40 PM

Quote :

"Ent: Well, it tried. The first couple seasons suffered from "Lets talk about how X was invented", seriously transporters, photon torpedoes, red alert, holograms, replicators etc. Just because its a prequel doesn't mean you gotta touch base on everything that was in the other series. After they bought in a new writer, it got good, however not enough to make up for the damage caused already."

no it was just bad and destroyed the plot lines that were already established

11/18/2007 5:11:32 PM

I sat down to watch the Enterprise twice, both times it turned out to be the same episode. It was the one where some people on a remote planet were being bullied by Klingons into giving them free starship fuel or something. Pretty much the plot of A Bug's Life set in the Star Trek universe.

It was pretty stupid. The people on the planet moved the town over by a few feet so the Klingons were tricked into walking into their fuel extraction field. The Klingons walked into their trap and were surrounded by a ring of fire.

So what do they do? They become afraid, beam aboard their ship, and never come back. Wow. Notice that one little tidbit? They beamed aboard their ship. You'd think they would just beam themselves out of the ring of fire and start slaughtering the village, but I guess that was before Klingons became battle hardened.

I gave the show another chance and when I tuned in it was the exact same episode. Never bothered trying to watch it again.

11/18/2007 5:17:09 PM

The dvds for enterprise were the last star trek I bought (meaning I had everything else already). Watched them all fairly quickly and actually got to like the show more than I thought I would. Dunno if it was just because it was the last series I watched or not.

11/18/2007 5:28:55 PM

this is the man that killed Trek.

11/18/2007 5:30:19 PM

^he's currently fucking



So I don't think he cares. However, she's a prude

11/18/2007 5:43:07 PM

^ nah, that was only during Voyager, they broke up

11/18/2007 6:22:56 PM

Current rumor is that Tyler Perry has been cast as the head of Starfleet Academy

12/30/2007 2:59:38 PM

Do you nerds actually think this movie is going to be good?

12/30/2007 3:23:06 PM

No, but it'll be fun to watch it fail

12/30/2007 3:36:14 PM

no. not at all. that is the purpose of this thread.

12/30/2007 5:26:18 PM

any star trek > no star trek

12/30/2007 5:33:46 PM

i don't necessarily agree with that statement.

the whole "temporal cold war" trek would have been better had it never existed.

12/30/2007 5:36:51 PM

no star trek > franchise killing star trek

12/30/2007 6:02:13 PM

The entire concept of prequels is fucking stupid to begin with.

HAY LETS GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN WHY SHIT HAPPENED

OH WAIT WE CANT BECAUSE WE LOVE TO FUCK OUR STORYBOARDS IN THE ASS WITH TIME TRAVEL HORSE SHIT

I mean seriously, couldn't they just watch Star Trek 6 take notes, and make a movie like that? Hell, lie to me, take the same script, update the cast and ship, and do it again. I'll watch it. It'll be good. For the love of God.

There seriously has not been a single good sci fi film in the last decade.

12/30/2007 6:56:40 PM

1. II (The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one. - Awesome)
2. First Contact (Destiny and fate.)
3. Insurrection (Live in the moment.)
4. III
5. The Motion Picture
6. Nemesis
7. V
8. VI
9. IV
10. Generations

[Edited on December 30, 2007 at 7:10 PM. Reason : .]

12/30/2007 7:06:13 PM

Quote :

"[debate] II is #1, IV is #2"

12/30/2007 7:38:46 PM

Really? Insurrection as number 3? Generations last? VI not even in the top 5? GTFO.



1. II
2. VI
3. First Contact
4. IV
5. III
6. Generations
7. Motion Picture
8. Nemesis
9. V
10. Insurrection



is the correct list.

[Edited on December 30, 2007 at 8:02 PM. Reason : a]

12/30/2007 8:02:10 PM

^pretty much

12/30/2007 10:07:53 PM

^^I could stand behind that list, although i might put generations above III.

12/30/2007 10:17:30 PM

The reason why I put III ahead of Generations is because the destruction of Kirk's Enterprise was one of the best scenes in trek history.

12/30/2007 10:52:41 PM

1. II
2. VI
3. III
4. IV
5. First Contact
6. The Motion Picture
7. Insurrection
8. Generations
9. Made for TV 2 HR finale (TNG)
10. Nemesis

12/31/2007 12:02:47 PM

1. A New Hope
2. Return of the Jedi
3. The Empire Strikes Back
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. Attack of the Clones
6. The Phantom Menace

1. Futurama episode "Where No Fan Has Gone Before."
2. Any Trek movie.

12/31/2007 12:16:45 PM

Empire Strikes BAck > return of the jedi.

Just so you know.

12/31/2007 12:32:16 PM

What's wrong with you people? "generations" and VI both sucked ass

Not as bad as Nemesis and Insurrection, but they sucked

12/31/2007 12:55:41 PM