^who are you asking boone or myself?

10/31/2007 9:05:53 AM

^You. That's why there were two arrows pointing to your post.

10/31/2007 8:15:01 PM

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"spooky, statistically speaking? Come on. Im not saying it hasnt happened, Im just saying that their isnt any proof of it happening. Statistics or not. Thats all im saying."

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"Juan Moreno, the surviving victim, was the key eyewitness in the trial, eventually identifying Ruben Cantu as the killer in court, only to recant his story a decade after Cantu was executed. On the basis of no physical evidence, no confession, and only Moreno's subsequently recanted testimony, Ruben Cantu was convicted by a jury of first degree murder. Shortly after his conviction and sentencing, Cantu wrote the following note to the people of San Antonio: "My name is Ruben M. Cantu and I am only 18 years old. I got to the 9th grade and I have been framed in a capital murder case.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruben_Cantu

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"Despite the compelling evidence of Griffin’s innocence, appeals courts upheld his conviction and death sentence. Griffin was executed by lethal injection on June 21, 1995. Griffin maintained his innocence right up to his execution. After Griffin's execution, his case was reopened by Samuel R. Gross, a professor at the University of Michigan Law School. The post-execution investigation was sponsored by the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund. In the investigation, Griffin was found innocent. His case is considered one of the strongest examples of an execution of an innocent man and is cited by capital punishment opponents."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Griffin


For starters.

10/31/2007 8:44:34 PM

sorry I missed the double arrow.

My parents were from PA. Dad walked out when i was 2. My mom remarried when i was 4. He was killed by a drunk driver before they were even married a year. She was an RN, worked crazy hours so I was grew up in daycare mostly, but she always put me first and pushed me. She grew up without a father. Her dad was killed when she was 4 in a coal mining accident. In those times you got his salary for a year, thats it. No multi millions. (btw did you see the knicks sexual harrassment girl got 11.5 million? WTF) So my grandmother raised two girls waiting tables and pulling double shifts. They didnt have much growing up, but were too proud to ask for handouts. I think thats why I get upset when I see people being lazy and irresponsible, or pushing thier responsiblities onto others. People can do it.

I grew up in knoxville, tn. Did 4 at state, then 4 in memphis(which has great bbq btw)

That help? how about you?

Spooky, thanks for the info. I wonder why his conviction was upheld in appeals? I realize it couls happen, but there has to be more to the story than just the wiki, right? The NAACP investigation proved he was innocent? How? But seriously, thank you. I have never heard those two stories before.

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10/31/2007 8:55:36 PM

There's some more information here, although I as well would like to read up on the appeals process he went through (I'll post it if I find anything). Basically, the "witness" who placed the executed at the scene of the crime, Robert Fitzgerald, was in police custody, only to be released the day of Larry Griffin's conviction. A victim who survived the attack said that Griffin did not commit the crime but was not called to testify by the defense or prosecution. The actual witnesses of the crime said that neither Robert Fitzgerald nor Larry Griffin were even present. Police corroborated Fitzgerald's story, but later said they could not explain why they did.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/14/opinion/14herbert.html?th&emc=th

The way I see it, until either the government is proven to be infallible or death becomes a reversible process, the government has no business going around executing people.

10/31/2007 9:16:48 PM

^thanks for the additional info. I must admit this is the first ive heard of it. The article did touch on no concrete evidence of an innocent man being put to death. However, it still doesnt seem right to me. He sat for 15 years, conviction was upheld. I wonder how many times he appealed. Then the NAACP does an investigation with a professor 20 yrs later. Ill certainly tip my hat to you for finding this, but it still doesnt add up.

I remember vividly the last guy that they had thought was innocent(of course they all are. ) with danny glover's group all over the news. They were talking about how they finally killed one and the evidence will show it, but it only confirmed it. I was using that as my arguement that i thought they hadnt killed an innocent.

You will find that Im not for death when there is doubt. However, there are plenty of cases where their is no doubt. And for those, im all for it... and quickly.

Again, let me know if you find more.

10/31/2007 9:27:27 PM

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"The way I see it, until either the government is proven to be infallible or death becomes a reversible process, the government has no business going around executing people."

The government and the people (who serve as jurors) need to be infallible for me to ever imagine supporting the death penalty. And they never will so...

11/1/2007 9:37:48 AM

^ the whole jury system is pretty fucked, i think. I don't know why anybody thought it would be a good idea to choose 12 random people off the street with now background or knowledge of the cases they hear to make life-and-death decisions for others.

11/1/2007 10:20:48 AM