^damn. i didnt know that. that sucks. also, why not put "TAMPA BAY" on the grey uni's that will be worn on the road?

11/29/2007 11:33:29 AM

What do you think about the Rays trading Delmon Young and Brendan Harris to the Twins for Jason Bartlett and Matt Garza? There were two other minor leaguers involved that I haven't heard of. I like the deal for the Twins because Harris played very well last year and Young is arguably the best young OF in baseball.

I understand what the Rays are doing though. They should have a very good 1-2-3 in the rotation next year with Kazmir, Shields, and now Garza. If those guys can stay healthy.

11/29/2007 12:55:16 PM

as a Twins fan I really want Delmon Young...we need somebody to replace Torii (THAT MOTHERFUCKER) and Young is a young stud

oh yeah it happened, good call^

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/wires/11/29/2010.ap.bba.rays.twins.trade.0889/

Bartlett is very replaceable I think, although he is surprisingly quick on his feet...very underrated base stealer

I liked Garza as well as a young pitcher, but if we can get Liriano back, and Baker, Bonser and Slowey could be decent starters if/when we lose Johan

also Pat Neshek is a fucking baller as a MR/LR/SU

[Edited on November 29, 2007 at 1:04 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2007 1:01:54 PM

I've hated the Twins since Kirby Puckett and Kent Hrbek ruined my childhood by beating the Braves in 91.

11/29/2007 1:07:50 PM

i've disliked the braves simply because a large number of my friends have always been braves fans

11/29/2007 1:08:27 PM

Tree I'm just curious...do you have any affiliation with Minnesota or did you just randomly pick them as your team since Charlotte doesn't have one

11/29/2007 1:29:34 PM

i liked Puckett a lot back in the day...basically i started pulling for them in 1987 when they were in the World Series with the Cardinals and I just stayed on the bandwagon since then...I would quickly make them my 2nd team though if we got a local team

11/29/2007 1:31:59 PM

Thats cool but you can't really blame Torii for taking 90 mil from the Angels. I never thought he was that great, I think his great catches made people think he was a great all around played instead of just a very good one. And theres no way he could have held up on that turf with his bum knees. He was probably your 4th best hitter anyway, so I don't think the lineup will suffer that much.

11/29/2007 1:36:24 PM

torii was getting up there in years...and the twins offered him a pretty fair deal...i think they offered him $15mil/year for 3 years or something like that...he's still a great defensive fielder though...not necessarily cause is the quickest or most limber fielder, but i almost see a gerald wallace type quality about him where he abuses his body to make plays...he was fun to watch...my question is does Vlad now bat DH or is it like a Youkilis/Ortiz thing where it varies based on their opponents

11/29/2007 1:47:30 PM

Well Matthews and Hunter are two of the ten best outfielders in the game, so Vlad and Garret Anderson will probably shift between the other outfield spot and DH, depending on who's healthier, since you know they're never 100% at the same time.

11/29/2007 1:52:13 PM

vlad probably spends less time as DH this year, he's younger and healthier than anderson

guerrero has the biggest outfield arm i've ever seen and a matthews-hunter-guerrero outfield is probably the best in the majors

mike scioscia is borderline retarded but not even he would squander a chance at having those three in the outfield as much as possible

that said, delmon young is a great pickup for the twins

he doesn't have the speed or the range of hunter but he does have a great arm -- and if he can turn his doubles into homeruns and learn to see the ball better at the plate, he'll easily surpass hunter's offensive output in a year or two

11/29/2007 2:32:56 PM

The 3-4-5-6 in their order of Mauer, Cuddyer, Mourneau and Young could be one of the best in league if Cuddyer rebounds from a down year and Young takes off

11/29/2007 2:38:54 PM

they said Delmon is the first rookie to hit 75 RBIs and get traded since Danny Tartabull from the Mariners to the Royals

maybe the Angels will fuse Torii and Vlad into one player...I'm fairly sure if you gave Vlad Torii's defensive skills, or gave Torii Vlad's arm, he/they/it would be the best defensive outfielder in the MLB...its just a shame that that would be impossible to do

11/29/2007 3:28:07 PM

Quote :

"vlad probably spends less time as DH this year, he's younger and healthier than anderson guerrero has the biggest outfield arm i've ever seen and a matthews-hunter-guerrero outfield is probably the best in the majors"

I just got done reading an article about Vlad in ESPN the mag and basically it looks like Vlad is likely to DH more, not less, next year. His body is simply breaking down from all the years playing on the concrete in Montreal.

His arm is still amazing, but the article cited how he just was not able to get to balls in the gaps as much anymore. Certainly having Torii out there will help and give Scioscia more faith that in using Vlad, but the Angels just can't afford to have him get hurt playing defense.

I think Anderson is going to find himself on the bench a lot next year. He was pretty awful until the last 1.5 months of the season when he got white hot.

11/29/2007 5:27:29 PM

Quote :

" it looks like Vlad is likely to DH more, not less, next year. His body is simply breaking down from all the years playing on the concrete in Montreal. "

that makes sense, i was just speculating

either way anderson is all but toast

11/29/2007 6:02:21 PM

per rosenthal

Quote :

"Johan Santana will not waive his no-trade clause mid-season, sources tell Ken Rosenthal, so the Twins need to act fast on a deal."

billy beane told omar minaya he didn't have the pieces to trade for blanton or haren

so the mets are probably out of the running for johan as well

12/3/2007 3:14:39 PM

sounds like if he goes to the Yankees, Phil Hughes would be one of the pieces the Twins would get in return, and if he goes to Boston, the Twins would either get Elsbury or Jon Lester but not both or something like that

we just need to get some value out of him...luckily even though we're losing a great player, we're losing a great player that had zero effect on ~125 games a season

12/3/2007 3:21:50 PM

^^ If the Mets change their minds on Reyes (which I hope they won't) they instantly become the favorites in any big trade for an ace...

12/3/2007 3:23:01 PM

yankees caved on adding hughes, but won't add kennedy or joba

red sox added ellsbury, but won't add both ellsbury and lester

i don't see the deal happening unless one side gives in completely

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trading reyes would be for a potential free agent pitcher, no matter the caliber, would be the worst GM decision of the past billion years

[Edited on December 3, 2007 at 3:24 PM. Reason : ]

12/3/2007 3:23:28 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7525396

This would set the dominos in motion. That would probably allow the Dodgers to go all in on Bedard since they won't have to keep their pieces for Cabrera. Then the A's would have some leverage with Blanton/Haren as they'd be the best left on the market... etc.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 11:48 AM. Reason : x]

12/4/2007 11:48:30 AM

I wish the Indians would/could go after one of these big names. Miguel Cabrera at 3rd would be nice.

oh well, at least we arent trading anyone away to the yanks or bosox

12/4/2007 11:52:42 AM

willis AND cabrera to the tigers

amazing

12/4/2007 6:15:02 PM

great deal for both but mainly tigers

12/4/2007 6:15:28 PM

andrew miller is part of the package going to the marlins

good trade for both sides, especially if dontrelle continues to fade

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what's the over-under on the time the commentators spend discussing hats during the first willis/sabathia matchup?

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 6:31 PM. Reason : ]

12/4/2007 6:29:12 PM

Skip Bayless gave NC some love on First and 10 today saying he didn't see how the Carolinas didn't have a baseball team and called it a hotbed for baseball. They were talking about the Marlins possible move and said Nashville or Charlotte or even Raleigh/Durham would be good choices.

12/5/2007 3:07:08 PM

i wish. that shit would be awesome and since i will be soon joining the work force, season tickets to a major league baseball team in the carolina's would be one of my first and top priority purchases.

if there was only a way for my beloved oakland a's to switch to the east coast...


Anyways, looks like the A's are going to wait until Santana goes somewhere before they start working deals with Haren. Personally, I wish there was a way for the A's to get some good young talent (Chris B. Young, Ryan Braun, Josh Hamilton, etc.) in return. I am hearing the A's are talking with the DBacks about 3 minor league prospects and not Chris Young or Conor Jackson. Typical Oakland shit...

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 4:02 PM. Reason : 1]

12/5/2007 3:59:43 PM

Imagine if Billy Beane had say Cubs money or God-forbid Sox or Yanks money....the As would never lose. They could win 130 games.

12/6/2007 2:30:56 AM

andruw to the dodgers, 2 years $36 million, nearly half of which is a signing bonus

way too much money, but they did well to sign him to a short deal

he'll be hitting .220/.300/.350 and playing left field in two years

12/6/2007 5:25:45 AM

rule 5 draft was today

Quote :

"1. Tampa Bay, Timothy Lahey, RHP, Minnesota (Rochester Red Wings). 2. Pittsburgh, Evan Meek, RHP, Tampa Bay (Durham Bulls). 3. Baltimore, Randor Bierd, RHP, Detroit (Toledo Mud Hens). 4. San Francisco, Jose Capellan, LHP, Boston (Pawtucket Red Sox). 5. Florida, Jose Guevara, RHP, Cincinnati (Louisville Bats). 6. Cincinnati, Sergio Valenzuela, RHP, Atlanta (Richmond Braves). 7. Washington, Matthew Whitney, 3B, Cleveland (Buffalo Bisons). 8. Houston, Dequam Wright, LHP, L.A. Dodgers (Las Vegas 51's). 9. Oakland, Fernando Hernandez, Jr., RHP, Chicago White Sox (Charlotte Knights). 10. St. Louis, Brian Barton, CF, Cleveland (Buffalo Bisons). 11. Toronto, Randy Wells, RHP, Chicago Cubs (Iowa Cubs). 12. Seattle, Robert Dickey, RHP, Minnesota (Rochester Red Wings). 13. N.Y. Mets, Steven Register, RHP, Colorado (Colorado Springs Sky Sox). 14. San Diego, Michael Gardner, RHP, N.Y. Yankees (Scranton Yankees). 15. Philadelphia, Travis Blackley, LHP, San Francisco (Fresno Grizzlies). 16. Washington, Garrett Guzman, OF, Minnesota (Rochester Red Wings). 17. San Diego, Callix Crabbe, 2B, Milwaukee (Nashville Sounds). 18. Philadelphia, Lincoln Holdzkom, RHP, Boston (Pawtucket Red Sox)."

former brave jose capellan joins his 19th club

12/6/2007 5:29:39 PM

Quote :

"9. Oakland, Fernando Hernandez, Jr., RHP, Chicago White Sox (Charlotte Knights)."

never heard of him

no wonder its because he's not a starting pitcher, DOH!

[Edited on December 6, 2007 at 5:32 PM. Reason : .]

12/6/2007 5:31:44 PM

Quote :

"former brave jose capellan joins his 19th club"

same name, different player. THAT capellan plays for the Rockies now, was just dealt by the Tigers a few days ago for Denny Bautista.

12/6/2007 6:16:59 PM

well that makes sense

12/6/2007 7:07:17 PM

this is the correct thread to use.


Trash the rest of these

12/12/2007 2:04:24 PM

This is a rumor thread

so if its already happened, its no longer a rumor

so done deals dont belong here

12/12/2007 2:10:31 PM

fwiw, aaron rowand put his house in delaware county, outside philadelphia up for sale

asking a lower price than purchased at a few years ago

tells me he's all but gone

12/12/2007 2:10:53 PM

Oeuvre there was a thread before yours stop being a little bitch

12/12/2007 2:11:45 PM

theres a rumor that this thread will get locked soon

12/12/2007 2:28:17 PM

haren to the indians for fausto carmnona and a top prospect in the indians organization


thats a rumor. thats a rumor i would love to see.

12/12/2007 2:45:23 PM

at least when i made this thread, i gave it the correct title

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=438515

12/12/2007 2:45:24 PM

well aren't you perfect

12/12/2007 2:52:43 PM

Dan Haren traded from A's to Diamondbacks in 6 player deal

12/14/2007 6:26:59 PM