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"Though the outcome was unfavorable, there were bright spots for the Pack, according to Lowe. Freshman J.J. Hickson continued to wow fans and please his coach, scoring 22 points and grabbing 13 rebounds in the contest."

Why when I read this, did I imagine Lowe as Hickson's dad/coach who always favors a player because he is his son?

11/18/2007 11:46:10 PM

speaking of father-son, Simon Harris is the son of assistant coach Larry Harris, but that certainly isnt banking Simon much playing time, though it looked like he had some good hustle and intensity when he did get some minutes late in the exhibition games and the red/white. They look so similar when I first saw him I knew they had to be related.

11/18/2007 11:50:38 PM

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"HICKSON WILL GET HIS ASS BUSTED AGAINST REAL COMPETITION, WE HAVEN'T PLAYED ANY GOOD BIG MEN YET. BY THE WAY HE IS NOT THE BEST PLAYER ON THIS TEAM JUST TAKES 18 SHOTS TO SCORE 18 PTS."

He was 10-18. How dare he make 60% of his shots.

I mean the kid is 22-30 on the year shooting. Are you serious?

11/19/2007 12:02:51 AM

the problem is that the ball stops moving with hickson.


ben looks to kick the ball back out for the three- something we need to work on

11/19/2007 12:10:22 AM

Haha I love this shit. So we suck now because we are too good? IT'S A LOSE-LOSE SITUATION

11/19/2007 12:13:26 AM

nobodys hitting the three though

like someone else said, its a sad state of affairs when gavin grant is your best 3 pt threat

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 12:14 AM. Reason : ^LAWL]

11/19/2007 12:13:56 AM

Yeah Hickson doesn't pass even if he's quadruple-teamed

This seems like a mistake

11/19/2007 12:13:59 AM

hahah

but really, this is pretty shitty, if it's true the team is having chemistry issues

11/19/2007 12:14:10 AM

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"But last time I checked, we have yet to win against a BCS school "

valid point, but the BCS is for football

11/19/2007 12:14:12 AM

^^^^^no we suck cause bitches dont know their role....it's all about mememememememememe

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 12:15 AM. Reason : too slow]

11/19/2007 12:14:41 AM

Quote :

"Yeah Hickson doesn't pass even if he's quadruple-teamed"

in all fairness he doesnt need to pass if he's making 70+% of his shots

11/19/2007 12:15:47 AM

it will matter when he is going up against real big men and doesnt know to look for the pass and open up the offense.

11/19/2007 12:18:58 AM

He could be making 80%+ if he had kicked it out a few times tonight

11/19/2007 12:19:04 AM

Quote :

""But last time I checked, we have yet to win against a BCS school " valid point, but the BCS is for football "

I realize. I was just using it as a descriptor in this case.

11/19/2007 12:19:24 AM

i love how the blame seems to be falling on hickson.

if ben and brandon can't take him stealing their minutes, then fuck them. all i've heard about is hickson's work ethic and how committed he is to improving. i haven't heard jack shit about costner or mccauley coming in at 6am to practice every day on top of the usual practices. JJ put in the work to earn the starts. then, his play on the court is what earned him the minutes he's gotten.

if they keep acting like this, i hope sidney benches their asses. we have too many guys sitting on our bench that really care to let a couple selfish fucks tear apart our team. gavin stepped up and had a monster game. any one of the other 3 returning starters could have done the same just as easily. it was fucking new orleans. instead of letting their play speak for itself, they chose to play like shit instead. sidney would have to be an idiot to limit their minutes if they were scoring points and making plays for us.

i'd rather see 5 guys on the court giving it their all and get blown out by 20+ than see guys that don't give a fuck and let a team hang around to beat them with a last second shot.

11/19/2007 12:21:51 AM

agreed 100%. It's ashame hickson seems to have more heart and determination that the entire fucking team.

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 12:25 AM. Reason : ]

11/19/2007 12:23:33 AM

i can't speak for everyone, but i'm putting none of this on hickson. he's just showing up and playing basketball.

11/19/2007 12:23:44 AM

^^^ex fucking zactly

Quote :

"it will matter when he is going up against real big men and doesnt know to look for the pass and open up the offense."

well when a game comes along where he hasnt been absolutely unstoppable on the inside then hopefully he'll pass out

until then keep throwing em down if they cant stop you

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 12:26 AM. Reason : .]

11/19/2007 12:24:49 AM

hey we made SPORTSCENTER!!

11/19/2007 12:25:55 AM

wait...so we don't chant a player's name because he seems like the only one on the court who wants to win? sorry, but i'm not going to stop cheering for him because mccauley and costner get their feelings hurt. how about they man up and stop being a bunch of pansies. if they want playing time or the spotlight, then earn it on the court. no one cares anymore what you did last year.

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 12:27 AM. Reason : ]

11/19/2007 12:26:39 AM

the point was you dont have to chant his fucking name everytime he makes a layup.

if he's beating ass, chant his name when he comes out for a rest or something.

but i do agree that if it pisses off maccauly and coster they should man up

11/19/2007 12:28:25 AM

^^^^^^^ That all sounds fine. And I definitely don't think Hickson is responsible for other people's hang-ups if he is stealing their thunder/taking their playing time.

I just feel like Lowe could have handled the playing time/play calling better to make it a smoother transition for all. I mean if Costner, Fells, and McCauley are having issues, they should be able to get over them, but they are still fairly young. Speaking for me personally as a guy there age, if I was the man one year, and then the next year I was a second or third option, it would be a tough adjustment for me to make.

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 12:29 AM. Reason : asdf]

11/19/2007 12:28:49 AM

I don't think anyone is putting it on Hickson. What are you gonna tell him? "for the good of the team we need you to start sucking." I hope this is worked out soon though. I bet if Engin was still here this would likely be much less of a problem, just a stupid hypothetical.

11/19/2007 12:30:05 AM

Did you see what our team did with hickson on the bench? yeah, NOTHING. That was their opportunity to man up.

11/19/2007 12:30:12 AM

Obviously JJ is going to make a lot of dunks this year...so no need to go crazy chanting his name every single time.

11/19/2007 12:30:18 AM

i dont feel like we are building on anything we did last year with dropping the guys who gave you the momentum you had at the end of last year.

11/19/2007 12:34:22 AM

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"the point was you dont have to chant his fucking name everytime he makes a layup. if he's beating ass, chant his name when he comes out for a rest or something. "

Quote :

"Obviously JJ is going to make a lot of dunks this year...so no need to go crazy chanting his name every single time."

so far in both regular season games this season jj hicksons name has been chanted twice (at least loud enough for the whole arena to hear)...one of them was last game when he came out of the game after 31 points. the other was tonight after a siiiick spin move and dunk. 2 games and 2 chants. not after every layup. not after every dunk.

at this rate, if our team keeps playing like this....chanting for the team would practically equate to chanting for jj...he seems to be the only one playing out there (though gavin did step up tonight)

11/19/2007 12:35:16 AM

^^ My thoughts exactly.

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 12:35 AM. Reason : asdf]

11/19/2007 12:35:45 AM

here's my big question

WHO IS THE TEAM LEADER???

who the fuck is it? seriously?

SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP THE FUCK UP

11/19/2007 12:36:17 AM

the chant wasn't just about a dunk. It was about the timing of the dunk and his footwork to get the dunk.

Personally when I was chanting, it wasn't even so much about him. It was about the play and it hopefully providing a spark for the team. I doubt anyone would have chanted his name if they thought that was just gonna be another basket and the team was gonna still play flat.

I don't support Hickson, or Grant, or Costner, or Fells, or McCauley . . . I support NC State; however, when a NC State player makes an awesome move . . . I'm gonna let him know it.




I bet if Grant's shot had won the game and a Gavin Grant chant got going, not a single one of you would have objected to that. Yet that would essentially be no different . . . 1 play, 1 person.

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 12:39 AM. Reason : ]

11/19/2007 12:37:08 AM

well the tourney next week should definitely show us if we've learned anything from tonight. i can't wait. because we really need to get this bad taste out of our mouths.

^i support all those players...when they show up to play...and i would chant all those players' names...if they showed up to play

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 12:39 AM. Reason : ]

11/19/2007 12:37:45 AM

hmmm, interesting. i definitely don't remember any player's names being chanted last year.

11/19/2007 12:38:12 AM

^^^^ Should be Grant. He's probably our best hope for a leader/team player at this point.

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 12:38 AM. Reason : asdf]

11/19/2007 12:38:39 AM

Agreed, grant needs to be our leader.

11/19/2007 12:39:32 AM

^^^guess you didn't go to the games much then

both ben and brandon had their names chanted. guess its the fans fault though there too...since we spoiled them last year and now they're missing our praise so they decide to pout

and agreed with grant...and i think he has done a good job of it so far. definitely stepped up in the second half tonight. and then publicly calling out unnamed teammates in the postgame (although i'm not really sure if that was a good move or not)

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 12:42 AM. Reason : ]

11/19/2007 12:40:50 AM

Quote :

"hmmm, interesting. i definitely don't remember any player's names being chanted last year."

then you have selective memory, there were several times. Either people having big nights and getting chanted at the end of the game, or making big plays.

11/19/2007 12:40:59 AM

dont get me wrong, if they can't take the praise others are getting, they need to man the fuck up.

but seriously, no need to inflate the player's egos already. THEY HAVENT DONE SHIT

11/19/2007 12:42:52 AM

Bickering already? I thought we had some Players on our team that wanted to win and ball out...but now I am hearing all this crying like some middle school team. If someone comes in and gets your shine, shut the fuck up, tighten up your kicks, and earn your spot. Make the plays, make the passes, grab the boards, and hustle.

If they crying and can't deal with losing time now, then they need to be sat down and learn how to ride the pine...Fuck them

Get the boys that want to play and won't whine like some HS cheerleaders...


III

11/19/2007 12:54:42 AM

whole lot of stupid in this thread

11/19/2007 1:07:55 AM

^^^^^I also agree Grant needs to be the leader. Not only is he playing well like others have said, he's the one that's put the big, bright spotlight on us with his predictions earlier this year. Time to rebound from this and back that claim up.

11/19/2007 1:10:59 AM

great post on PP

Quote :

"We all know tonights Loss is unacceptable. Its embarrasing for everyone involved..players, coaches and us fans who have bragged to workmates and friends about how good you guys are going to be this year. But everyone loses in todays NCAA Basketball world. You cant just show up anymore and expect to win. I have a feeling thats what happened tonight and it should be a great learning lesson. Last year was a special season. One we as fans will never forget. You veterans earned a special place in our hearts. You poured it all out on the court every ACC tournament game. When the final horn blew, even though you guys didnt win the acc champ. at least you knew you gave it all you had. You earned respect not only from State fans but from Bball fans across the nation who watched a Jimmy V protege' work Jimmy V "like" magic. Well this is a new season. There is no carry over. Your floor general is gone from last year, yet the talent and depth is there to recover from losing Atsur at PG. We now have added depth down low and have recently realized we have one of, if not, the best big men in the country. The ingredients are there. This could be a top 10 or 5 team at seasons end, if you leave it all on the court. If you dont, you will see more disappointments like tonight. The solution is simple, if you want to win NC State an ACC Championship. Realize your potential and utilize your talent. The best player on the court on most nights will be on our team for a change. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. IF you all will play just to win and not to put up numbers then you will go very far and then all the hype and press and notoriety will follow. Thats the way it was meant to be. Just bring it. We believe. We always have."

11/19/2007 1:25:09 AM

in case it wasn't clear to anyone how real of an issue team chemistry really is with this team, listening to lowe's postgame interview from PP removes any doubt. good interview.

and i hope he really sticks by his comment "if you're not ready to play, then you're not gonna play" in reference to guys not accepting their roles

11/19/2007 2:58:55 AM

I think the rotation should look like this..

Degand
Grant
Fells
Costner (although if he doesnt get his shit together, sit him down)
Hickson

First off the bench
Big Ben for Costner or Hickson

Second off the bench
Horner for Fells or Grant

Third off the bench
Javy for Degand


Ferguson is just not an ACC caliber player. We have enough quality guys now that we shouldn't have to play guys who don't bring anything to the table besides a warm body. Fergie and Smith should get garbage minutes. If Costner keeps playing lazy on D and not going after loose balls and not crashing the boards on offense, then let smith take his place in the rotation.

11/19/2007 11:05:02 AM

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"valid point, but the BCS is for football"

I know this is an innocent enough comment and this isn't directed at you totally...

but WHY THE FUCK do people think that this is some unknown fact? No shit the BCS is for football. There are six BCS conferences that are the dominant force in college football. Those six conferences are also the dominant force in basketball. It's a simple and easily recognizable designation for the six power conferences in both sports.

I got into an argument on here with some fag over this that went over 2 pages. "It's not a BCS conference because the BCS is only for football!!!!" Shut the fuck up. Everyone knows it's only for football. Fucking christ.

11/19/2007 11:18:43 AM

wait. someone argued with you over that??

lol. I guess I shouldnt be surprised

11/19/2007 11:20:05 AM

its November

make this thread in January

11/19/2007 11:21:48 AM

at times like this, its important to remember what TOB said about sports teams in genral (paraphrased):

"Usually when you win, you're not as good as you think, and when you lose you're not as bad as you think."

11/19/2007 11:24:50 AM

i heard ben, courtney and costner are transfering to wake tech and trev. ferg is pickin up the 4 spot and that jeremey hyatt still has a year of eligibility and that he's coming back

11/19/2007 11:27:00 AM

5^ I really was not trying to be a dick, and I understand that it's just a quick was to reference the good teams. But 4/10 top ten teams right now are not from BCS conferences so BCS =/= all the dominant forces in basketball. Sort of a douchey thing to point out, sorry.

11/19/2007 11:38:30 AM

^ no need to apologize to that bastard social apologists. He's been on his period sinces the mets got out classed

now lets keep things on topic here. this could be a HUGE potential problem for us.

[Edited on November 19, 2007 at 11:42 AM. Reason : .]

11/19/2007 11:41:03 AM