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I'm gonna join the anti-Slave Famous group and agree that most people will not mind this speech and might actually enjoy it/be affected by it.

[Edited on November 27, 2007 at 2:06 PM. Reason : 2]

11/27/2007 2:05:36 PM

People tune into see basketball.

They see grainy footage of some guy talking from the early 90's.

They turn the channel and don't bother coming back.



Thousands of people will go thru this exact process tonight.

ESPN will not gain any viewers by showing a speech thats been widely available for anyone to see since the advent of Youtube.

But they will lose viewers who don't care about cancer and want to see the game.

11/27/2007 2:08:25 PM

^the footage isnt grainy, and i bet you that 75% of the people tuning into the games will know EXACTLY who that is talking.

11/27/2007 2:10:16 PM

If 75 percent recognize, 30 percent will care.

and less than 20 percent will watch the whole thing.

11/27/2007 2:12:25 PM

^why do you fuckin care so much?? While they're playing the speech tomorrow, go wash the sand out of your vagina. Jimmy V is bigger than NC State, Jimmy V is bigger than basketball. GTFO

11/27/2007 2:15:28 PM

11/27/2007 2:16:05 PM

Pretty sure ESPN knows what they are doing when they broadcast something. If they were going to lose viewers (and ultimately advertising money) they wouldn't do it.

Shut up with the trolling and get back to the worthless speculation.

11/27/2007 2:18:31 PM

IDIOT

people that watch ESPN probably have a clue who dick vitale is

People who have a clue who dick vitale is have a clue who Jimmy V is

ESPN was basically built off of Jimmy V dude, so the people that watch the network have an all-around respect for the guy, and wouldn't mind getting inspired for 13 mintues

11/27/2007 2:19:02 PM

Jimmy V is not bigger than basketball.

He's the last remnants of this teams glory years that so many people hang on too instead of embracing the present.

To NC STATE, Jimmy V is a god.

To everyone else, he is just a distant memory.

11/27/2007 2:19:24 PM

Distant memorys don't lead fund-raising in cancer research year in and year out

11/27/2007 2:21:36 PM

Slave Famous quit the trolling, and get back to the topic at hand.

Quote :

"ACC/B10 - NC State vs. Michigan"

if you wanna troll head to chit chat.

This bullshit trolling about the Jimmy V stops now (in all threads)

11/27/2007 2:22:49 PM

yes... because ESPN loves NC State so much right?

shut the fuck up troll, even people who don't care about basketball can respect this speech

there is a reason millions of people still know about a guy who won a national championship so man years ago, its just that good

11/27/2007 2:23:48 PM

could we please get back to the game discussion and let this senseless argument continue elsewhere...

ps just to be on record I'll be watching the whole speech with everyone else that gives a damn about cancer / cancer research. come on man have a heart

11/27/2007 2:24:54 PM

I won't delve further, but anything anti-wolfpack is viewed as an outrage on this site.

I like our teams as much as everyone else, but I refuse to wear the homer goggles as so many of you seem to do.

11/27/2007 2:26:41 PM

Quote :

"Pretty sure ESPN knows what they are doing when they broadcast something. If they were going to lose viewers (and ultimately advertising money) they wouldn't do it."

Well, they do play WNBA games... just saying..

Quote :

"SPN was basically built off of Jimmy V dude"

I appreciate your zeal, but that is patently false. ESPN was actually built off of local CT sports. By the time Valvano was sick it was already a household name around the country...

[Edited on November 27, 2007 at 2:27 PM. Reason : x]

11/27/2007 2:26:55 PM

Quote :

"I won't delve further, but anything anti-wolfpack is viewed as an outrage on this site."

The Wolf Web... that ain't a ram in the upper left hand corner.

11/27/2007 2:32:31 PM

So have they come out with a line yet for the game, there wasn't one as of yesterday, and my work computer won't let me visit sports gambling sites

11/27/2007 2:37:34 PM

Haven't seen one yet, I'd guess we're getting 7-10, probably on the low side of that.

[Edited on November 27, 2007 at 2:43 PM. Reason : x]

11/27/2007 2:39:48 PM

yea, my first guess was 5 1/2, the nova line opened at 3 1/2

11/27/2007 2:49:24 PM

^ i doubt its that close..but I can't check either

11/27/2007 2:51:58 PM

it shouldn't be anymore than 7.5

11/27/2007 2:52:37 PM

knock on wood, but i say anything more than 7, take state to the house

11/27/2007 2:53:49 PM

I never gamble on teams I root for, your opinions are always jaded and its hard to view the game objectively when you're trying to handicap.

The only instances I do this are when I bet against my teams when I know their much worse than the spreads indicate, like us only getting 8 vs Louisville this year or anytime the Panthers play for the rest of this season.

11/27/2007 2:58:37 PM

i hate bettin on state too, but it makes the game that much more intense, especially when you're hammered

11/27/2007 3:00:18 PM

The bad part about is when you bet on your team as underdogs, and they cover but don't win outright.

Thats the main reason I don't do it...conflict of interest.

11/27/2007 3:03:08 PM

Quote :

"I never gamble on teams I root for"

I usually don't either...but I made an exception with NC State in the ACC Tournament and NIT last year...and that worked out beautifully

11/27/2007 3:03:24 PM

"conflict of interest"??

I'd call that hedging your saturday (or whatever day state's playing)

If they don't win but cover, you've won money, so that could lead to a good night

11/27/2007 3:07:21 PM

bet on the opposing team to your fave, then its a win win

11/27/2007 3:09:28 PM

Yes, conflict of interest

say State is 5 point dogs and is down by 3 at the end of the game.

You won the bet but your team lost.

Then State hits a 3 at the buzzer to send it to OT.

Your team now has a chance to win the game, but you now have a chance to lose your bet.

Two many conflicting scenarios, I'd rather stick to betting on games I don't have a rooting interest in.

11/27/2007 3:10:38 PM

Quote :

"Two many conflicting scenarios, I'd rather stick to betting on games I don't have a rooting interest in."

or you just bet the moneyline and not the spread...then theres no conflicting cheering

11/27/2007 3:14:07 PM

True

But to me, the double whammy of my team losing and me losing money is something I'd rather avoid.

I bet money on some games that I plan on watching in order for me to have a rooting interest...with State games, I already have one.

11/27/2007 3:17:09 PM

^ r u blaque?

11/27/2007 3:34:17 PM

I don't care what your opinion of V is... no one wants to hear your trolling shit. You're just one more troll to me and I won't miss you when you're gone. This is a warning.

11/27/2007 4:24:10 PM

to teh top.

11/27/2007 10:53:04 PM

Nice WTF moment tonight hearing Dickie V talking about NC State during a Dook game...I felt like I was in Bizarro World.

11/28/2007 12:45:19 AM

i heard that.. i was kind of hoping clempson would choke. they did most of the night xcept the last 45 seconds


i hope our guys wake up and play proficent bball with fewer turnovers

fewer than 10 turnovers would be nice to see from this team. and plz to show up costner and not get picked on by refs.

11/28/2007 1:15:02 AM

Here's my theory, you take however much money you would pay to see NC State win a game, and bet it on the other team to win outright.

If NC State wins, it's like you bought the victory.

If the other team wins, at least you get some money.

11/28/2007 1:23:04 AM

^ so you are saying that you're poor from last season, and you're still a virgin and will always be one, even if it means you have to buy our wins?

right on dude. admirable as hell.



WWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLFFFFFFFFFFFF

11/28/2007 1:25:32 AM

Actually I don't bet on sports.

11/28/2007 1:29:48 AM

2007

November 26

* Wake Forest 56, Iowa 47, Game played in Iowa City, IA

November 27

* Georgia Tech 79, Indiana 83, Game played in Bloomington, IN
* Florida State 75, Minnesota 61, Game played in Tallahassee, FL
* Virginia 94, Northwestern 52, Game played in Charlottesville, VA
* Duke 82, Wisconsin 58, Game played in Durham, NC
* Clemson 61, Purdue 58, Game played in Clemson, SC

November 28

* N.C. State at Michigan State, 7:00 PM, ESPN
* Illinois at Maryland, 7:30 PM, ESPN2
* Boston College at Michigan, 8:00 PM ESPNU
* North Carolina at Ohio State, 9:00 PM, ESPN
* Virginia Tech at Penn State, 9:30 PM, ESPN2

Not Playing: Miami (FL)

In Progress

ACC leads 5-1

11/28/2007 2:38:40 AM

one more W and we already take this challenge

seems like all the analysts were wrong about the Big 10 dominating

11/28/2007 2:48:48 AM

^which analysts predicted that?

11/28/2007 4:08:58 AM

I didn't hear anything about domination but i heard some "if they're gonna do it, this is the year" type shit.

11/28/2007 4:10:24 AM

they say that every year

11/28/2007 4:16:12 AM

We should start playing some different conferences to make the thing more competitive

11/28/2007 7:31:36 AM

The only conference that could be more competitive would be the Big Least, and only if they left out their bottom 5 teams.

I think we are 2-2 vs Big East teams so far.

NCSU beat Villanova
GT beat Notre Dame
Seton Hall beat UVA
USF beat FSU

11/28/2007 8:04:41 AM

Quote :

"By now, airplane rides and hotel rooms have become a way of life for NC State. After winning three games in four days at the Old Spice Classic in Orlando, the Wolfpack is packing its bags again. This time the location will be quite a bit colder and the opponent bigger and stronger than any of the teams the Pack faced in Orlando. Now back in the A.P. top 25 following its run to the title at Disney World, the 24th ranked Wolfpack (4-1) squares off against No. 10 Michigan State (4-1) as part of the ACC/Big Ten Challenge Wednesday night at the Breslin Center in East Lansing. Tip off is set for 7 p.m. “It’s a big show,” NC State coach Sidney Lowe said of the annual challenge, now in its ninth year. “You’ve got great teams going against each other and great competition. It’s fun.” Lowe and the Wolfpack had plenty of fun over Thanksgiving weekend, posting three consecutive comeback wins to capture the Old Spice Classic trophy. Before the tournament, Lowe cancelled his team’s reservations at the official tournament headquarters, choosing instead to stay at another hotel, one that was separate from the other teams. The bonding experience appeared to have a positive affect on a team that seemed to have some chemistry issues in the aftermath of a stunning upset loss to New Orleans back on November 18. “We didn’t stay in the hotel with the other teams,” Lowe said. “I wanted it to be just us and not in a situation where they had to see other players. If you see other players, you’re going to talk and laugh about things and I just didn’t want to be in that type of atmosphere. We were down there to go to war and go to battle; I wanted them to keep that focus.” Using a rotation of eight players, Lowe got tremendous contributions from everyone during the course of the tournament. The one steady force was junior guard Courtney Fells, whose energetic defense and perimeter scoring paced the Pack. “He’s a very talented player,” said Lowe. “He certainly has the ability to impact the game and not just offensively. I know everyone talked about his offense this weekend, but he defended; he chased guys around and denied them the ball. He guarded some of the toughest guys in the country this weekend.” Fells will likely earn another tough assignment on Wednesday night. A pre-season All-American, Michigan State’s Drew Neitzel is the Big Ten’s leading returning scorer from last season. In four games this year, the 6-0 senior is averaging 14.6 point per game, while shooting 50 percent (13-of-26) from the 3-point line. “We want to make it difficult for good players,” Lowe said. “You try to limit certain things. Part of playing defense is trying to take an individual away from his strength. People think you get out there and just start guarding. You have to have a plan when you’re guarding someone who’s talented and can score the ball. We’ll talk to Courtney about his strengths and things that you want to eliminate.” The Pack’s Gavin Grant could also have his hands full at the ‘3’ position since he’ll likely match-up with Michigan State’s leading scorer, Raymar Morgan. A 6-7, 225-pound junior, Morgan averages 17.4 points and 8.4 rebounds per game. If NC State doesn’t compete any better on the boards than it did in Orlando, it will run the risk of being manhandled by the Spartans. The Big Ten’s best rebounding team in eight of the last 10 years, Michigan State has posted a plus-11 rebound margin in its first five games this season. In Saturday’s 75-71 victory over Oakland, 11 of Michigan State center Goran Suton’s 20 rebounds came on the offensive glass. The Spartans have more offensive rebounds than its opponents have defensive boards. The Wolfpack’s three opponents at the Old Spice Classic grabbed an average of 20 offensive boards per game. “They’re a very good ballclub,” Lowe said. “They really come after you and they’re going to pound you on the boards. I think the main concern is their aggressiveness and how they play. Their talent level is a given.” The Spartans also have a significant home court advantage, having won 29 straight over non-conference opponents at the Breslin Center. The streak is the sixth-longest active streak in the country. Speaking of streaks, the ACC has won all eight previous challenges with the Big Ten. With a 4-3 mark, Michigan State is the only Big Ten team with a winning record in the challenge. NC State is 5-3 in the event. This will be the first meeting between the two clubs since the Wolfpack downed the Spartans 69-58 in the first round of the 2002 NCAA Tournament. "

11/28/2007 9:37:49 AM

If State doesn't improve defensive boards this game, it'll be ridiculous

Rebounding is mainly desire and tenacity with a little bit of athletiscm.

We have the athletiscm, and have been getting hounded the past 3 games for poor rebounding.

If they make it a focus to hit the fucking defensive boards strong as shit, there shouldn't be a problem...in the rebounding department at least.

11/28/2007 9:46:46 AM

yeah i take it you saw this

Quote :

"In Saturday’s 75-71 victory over Oakland, 11 of Michigan State center Goran Suton’s 20 rebounds came on the offensive glass."

11/28/2007 9:48:04 AM

yea, and i mean, it seemed like nova's point guards were hitting the offensive boards stronger than our whole team

11/28/2007 9:54:06 AM