I never said he wasn't a retard. He was, after all, a huge pothead.

I'm guessing how it happened was that either the cops smelled weed, or the neighbor smelled weed and called it in. Cops come to the door, find reasonable suspicion or some idiocy, or worse, a roommate lets the cops in (perfectly legal), cops search, etc. Either way, if they catch you at home, chances are they're going to search the place. (Again, this guy wasn't very bright, but still...)

11/29/2007 1:31:09 PM

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"Not a single one of them carrying a "normal" amount went to jail."

Let's assume the best possible case - it goes to court, they get a fine, they go home. It still screws them out of federal student loans and aid, unless they can get it expunged. It's not going to be the one event which puts them on the street, but certainly it'll fuck up their lives enough to count.

11/29/2007 1:36:01 PM

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"""hit their wives"" is this legal now agentlion"

no. my point was this - it looked like you were trying to come up with a list of petty, but technically illegal things that people do anyway, at least every once in a while. Fudge your taxes, get a little extra money from an insurance company, hire a mexican to clean your house? ehh, sure. "everybody" does that kind of stuff every once in a while, or at least not many people would be fast to condemn someone who has done it once or twice.
Drunk driving? well, most people don't/haven't done this, but yeah, most people have driven home after one too many drinks, probably when it would have been better to call a cab.

but "hit your wife"? That's not something you "just do" once or twice and expect everything to go back to normal. If a man hits his wife for whatever reason or excuse, even just once, that's inexcusable. If a political candidate came out and said "well, yeah ok - i hit my wife once or twice, but it was 15 years ago!! I was young and just experimenting!", I would have no problem with the court of public opinion condemning him failure.

11/29/2007 1:36:04 PM

HUR thinks its normal to hit women on occasion

that explains a lot about him and probably his troubled childhood

11/29/2007 1:44:32 PM

DUH he used drugs, the guy was training terrorists in Afganistan with all sorts of opium poppies all around him

11/29/2007 1:45:47 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/30/obama.harlem.ap/index.html

I lost a lot of respect for Obama today.

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"Obama's reference to the Jena Six incident, in which six black teenagers were arrested for beating a white teen after white students allegedly hung nooses at their Jena"

I guess on his mission of racial equality he has no problem with a gang of black students assaulting and nearly killing a white student. It's ok b.c an incident involving nooses months before led to "increased" racial tension.

I wonder if he would be beating the hate crime war drum had the situation been reversed. a group of white teens attack a black student in an inner city school. racial tensions are often high with gang members often threatening the white minorities.

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"he deplored the fact that hanging nooses"

I think this is all about context. a TP noose laying in a bathroom is not a form of hate crime. A redneck driving his F250 with a confederate flag filling the back window and a noose hanging on the side, maybe. A man walking through the brickyard dawning the KKK cloak holding a noose, then yeah is form of hate crime. If nooses are going to be prosecuted for hate crimes; then i expect any kind of gang symbols or illustration of gang signs on the street (ie bloods, crips, Ms-13) to be prosecuted as a form of domestic terrorism.

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"I don't want to wake up in four years and find out we still have more black men in prison than in college"

Maybe as future president he could be a role model to show that through hard work and acting civil you can succeed in society. If he is implying that it is the white man's fault for holding black people down then this is absolutely retarded. I look around at the Asian, hispanic, etc minorities and they do not seem to have the same problems. Maybe if African Americans valued the same ideals as the rest of society they wouldn't not be stuck as a part of the underclass. Instead a large % (not everyone) of the youth population values little more then being a NBA player, drug dealer, or living the lifestyle described by their favorite gangster rapper.

[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 2:38 PM. Reason : a]

11/30/2007 2:34:48 PM

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"nearly killing a white student"

give me a fucking break dude....he was released the same day

11/30/2007 2:35:57 PM

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"If nooses are going to be prosecuted for hate crimes; then i expect any kind of gang symbols or illustration of gang signs on the street (ie bloods, crips, Ms-13) to be prosecuted as a form of domestic terrorism."

I agree that gang signs and nooses often have terroristic implications, but their simple existence is not a terroristic act. Their needs to be a higher burden than that if we are going to have any semblance of freedom of speech.

11/30/2007 2:38:23 PM

exactly^

11/30/2007 2:39:27 PM

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"I think this is all about context. a TP noose laying in a bathroom is not a form of hate crime. A redneck driving his F250 with a confederate flag filling the back window and a noose hanging on the side, maybe. A man walking through the brickyard dawning the KKK cloak holding a noose, then yeah is form of hate crime. If nooses are going to be prosecuted for hate crimes; then i expect any kind of gang symbols or illustration of gang signs on the street (ie bloods, crips, Ms-13) to be prosecuted as a form of domestic terrorism. "

Yeah, it IS all about context. That's why hate crime laws exist.

Admittedly, I haven't been following the toilet paper noose thing, but if someone was offended enough to complain, then there may have been some contextual information that warrants a punishment.

Also, the white kids at the Jena 6 high school apparently made constant racial slurs, and were not punished for it. In a situation where the leadership fails and doesn't take action when they are suppose to, street justice is often the next best course.

Just like that guy in Johnston Co (I think) that rammed his car in to the person that had stolen from his several times, or that recent story where a guy beats the crap out of the robber than stole his wife's car. The police don't have the resources or the time to pursue those relatively small crimes, so the people took it in to their own hands, and the public feels its within their rights. From what i've heard about the Jena 6 incident, it seems to be a similar situation.

11/30/2007 2:43:57 PM

i don't think it's hypocritical that they used drugs when they were young, have changed since growing older, and want to fight harder to end drug use.

i disagree completely with the drug war, but i don't see it as hypocritical

and how in the fuck do they get a number like 45% being less likely to support, that's ridiculous

11/30/2007 3:30:40 PM

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"Just like that guy in Johnston Co (I think) that rammed his car in to the person that had stolen from his several times"

i think a white kid getting his ass beat; b.c some other white kids dropped a few N-Bombs is a little different then coming home while thieves are stealing $1000s of your property.

11/30/2007 4:01:57 PM

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"Maybe if African Americans valued the same ideals as the rest of society they wouldn't not be stuck as a part of the underclass."

I guess you just don't understand - this ^ - when these white peole have that sort of mentality, it's just making everything worse.

Thank God not all whites are like you though, hopefully this type of thinking is keeping to the klan rallies.

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"nearly killing a white student"

I think you just want to believe that he was fighting for his life, but you know he wasn't.



[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 4:07 PM. Reason : ]

11/30/2007 4:06:22 PM

like me? i have nothing against any racial group. i am just tired of a culture that tries to put blame for their problems on other people.

11/30/2007 4:11:14 PM

That's not what I was talking about, you just classified the WHOLE GROUP, "African Americans," as having 1 set of values and ideals. It's laughable how racist that is. Maybe that just came out wrong.

Or... "just slipped out" like most other racist things people say

11/30/2007 4:14:28 PM

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"i don't think it's hypocritical that they used drugs when they were young, have changed since growing older, and want to fight harder to end drug use. i disagree completely with the drug war, but i don't see it as hypocritical"

It's one thing to say, "Drug use is bad, I should know, let's work to end drug use," and quite another to say, "Let's end drug use... by continuing to ruin lives and put people in jail for it, even though I had the chance to turn my own life around because I had the good fortune not to get caught." The problem is with the latter: Obama advocates for a system which would deny people the same opportunity to turn their lives around, should they get caught.

Great, let's discourage drug use. But maybe if you're going to take credit for having first-hand knowledge of how drug use is bad and your amazing story of turning your life around as a result, it's only fair to advocate for policies that allow others to do the same.

11/30/2007 4:22:03 PM

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"WHOLE GROUP, "African Americans," as having 1 set of values and ideals. It's laughable how racist that is."

I never said the whole group. I would say a larger % follow this mentality then the % of members in other racial groups that occupy the above mentioned category.

I have yet to hear any stories about Mexicans protesting over hate crimes....
or illegal mexicans committing crimes and blaming their situation on the intolerant attitudes of white controlling gov't that prevents them from having the same rights at other people in this country.

11/30/2007 4:30:06 PM

Well HUR, if you know your American History correctly... Blacks and Mexicans aren't really coming from the same place.

11/30/2007 4:35:13 PM

yeah you're right.
that's the beauty of america is the diverse background of everyone who came here.

my Scottish ancestors in America got forcibly kicked out of Scotland during a revolt of the 1700's

a lot of mexicans who do not feel like waiting in line for legal entry hop the fence

a bunch of jews came here most in particularly during the 1930's and post WW2 after facing severe prejudice and even ethnic cleansing.

many Chinese immigrants to California were given a free ride over by entrepreneur's and pretty much tricked into being indentured servants payed so minimally and treated so bad that they might as well have been slaves. hell to this day illegal Chinese immigrants are smuggled and forced into the sex trade or jobs not protected by federal labor laws working for next to nothing.

most blacks ancestor's got an "escort" over which unfortunately was in part due to the slave trade that was abolished 150 years ago.

so what exactly is your point. why should one group be given "special" rights when everyone should be treated equally.



[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 5:46 PM. Reason : a]

11/30/2007 5:41:53 PM

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"got a free ride over"

'Free ride' is not a phrase I would use to describe the slave trade.

11/30/2007 5:43:58 PM

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1791240

11/30/2007 7:47:53 PM

^^^ This is as much of a response to that bullshit that you'll get from me. If you really feel that way, I feel sorry that you've been brought up the way you have.

11/30/2007 8:44:26 PM