yea, you gotta give it to him

I hate Tebow and hes too young IMHO

12/2/2007 12:00:57 AM

hawaii wins the heisman and gets a NC game invite

12/2/2007 12:00:57 AM

What worth does a Heisman have anyway? It's an outstanding player award that basically goes to the RB or QB of the team with the best overall record. It ignores who the best player in the country is and focuses on who the best person on the "best" team is.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 12:04 AM. Reason : -]

12/2/2007 12:04:10 AM

yea, the heisman award system needs to be totally revamped...i say enforce an 8 player playoff where all parties compete in an all you can eat burger contest. that way we can crown a definitive winner, and ncaa and mcdonalds could make more money in sponsorships, publicity, etc..

12/2/2007 12:08:34 AM

It has to be LSU who gets to go, if they were in the Big 10 or ACC they would be undefeated and #1

12/2/2007 12:10:47 AM

I want to see LSU-USC. I don't care what damn game it is.

12/2/2007 12:12:08 AM

^^ But they're not.

12/2/2007 12:14:56 AM

welp...BCS Selection Show is at 8pm so I guess we'll know in about 20 hrs.

12/2/2007 12:18:21 AM

I think it was this past week when Herbstreit was on packman, and he something to the degree of; the best thing that can happen to OSU is that they go to the rose bowl and play USC. If they win they'll get respect for beating one of the hottest and arguably best in the country. If they go to the NC and beat WVU or MSU everyone is just going to shrug it off to playing easy teams the entire way through.

This whole thing is just a mess. Even so, I would love to see VT in the NC though I highly doubt it will happen, and Georgia cannot get in. It won't happen

12/2/2007 12:21:23 AM

HA! USC is anything but the "hottest team" in the nation.

12/2/2007 12:26:54 AM

at least all the bitches that were arguing hawaii can't anymore. they're getting stomped by the worst team in the pac-10

^^it's about as likely as anything else right now. i can easily see vt jumping kansas and georgia and i can't see LSU jumping VT since VT beat a higher ranked opponent.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 12:28 AM. Reason : .]

12/2/2007 12:27:16 AM

doesn't matter. Hawaii is still a conference champ, so they deserve a shot at it in some way.

12/2/2007 12:28:40 AM

I have a feeling the pollsters arent gonna let another Nebraska happen this year... so I would imagine OSU is a given and then its gonna be either USC or LSU or Oklahoma getting voted by the humans to #2 jumping them over georgia...

12/2/2007 12:29:09 AM

Quote :

"at least all the bitches that were arguing hawaii can't anymore. they're getting stomped by the worst team in the pac-10"

Are you dense? I want Hawaii to win because them winning throws this system to even more chaos and shows even more glaring flaws. I don't honestly think they're one of the two best teams in the country. But you lost a lot of credibility with the following comment.

Quote :

"it's about as likely as anything else right now. i can easily see vt jumping kansas and georgia and i can't see LSU jumping VT since VT beat a higher ranked opponent. "

Like the guy below me said, LSU 48, Virginia Tech 7.


[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 12:36 AM. Reason : .]

12/2/2007 12:32:06 AM

Quote :

"and i can't see LSU jumping VT since VT beat a higher ranked opponent"

you forget LSU beat Vtech 48-7

they have the tie breaker advantage

12/2/2007 12:33:32 AM

^^^ isn't that pretty fucking ridiculous? Wasn't the whole point of the BCS to give us a #1/#2 matchup? The polls, basically, are being CHANGED BY THE BCS!!!

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 12:34 AM. Reason : ]

12/2/2007 12:33:45 AM

Seriously. This entire process is in shambles now that voters are changing the way they vote because they don't like the possible way the BCS standings could come out.

12/2/2007 12:36:02 AM

^^^^ no it doesn't... hawaii hasn't played anyone and their conference is weak. this just shows how much of a joke they are and should have never been in the talk about the NC game.

lsu beat VT in week 2. a lot has changed. VT is playing much better and both of their losses came to then number 2s (and teams that will still be ranked in the top 20 and the top 10) LSU lost to two unranked teams. looking at their SOS VT is 11 while LSU is 27. VT was ranked higher than LSU in BCS and one of the 2 polls. VT beat a higher ranked team by a larger margin than LSU beat tenn. it is pretty much impossible for LSU to jump VT in the BCS

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 12:37 AM. Reason : .]

12/2/2007 12:37:22 AM

not that the voters ever had much logic in the way they did things...

the whole "late season wins hurting more than early season wins" never sat well with me... if VT hadn't lost to BC they'd probably be in the national title game, despite a far more humiliating one loss than Kansas has...

12/2/2007 12:38:11 AM

Quote :

"it is pretty much impossible for LSU to jump VT in the BCS"

Whatever amount of money you want to bet, I'll take it. It's happening tomorrow when the standings come out.

12/2/2007 12:39:28 AM

Quote :

"hawaii hasn't played anyone and their conference is weak."

Then WHY is that conference in I-A? Can you imagine if someone said that the NFC south was weak, so it shouldn't be included in the playoffs? (I just threw NFC South out for kicks, I'm not commenting on how good they actually are)

12/2/2007 12:40:12 AM

yeah, I'd like to get in on that

and stop trolling about hawaii you made your point

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 12:40 AM. Reason : ..]

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 12:41 AM. Reason : .]

12/2/2007 12:40:12 AM

What do you all say when Washington beats Hawaii tonite?

They are up 21-0 now

12/2/2007 12:40:37 AM

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"VT beat a higher ranked team by a larger margin than LSU beat tenn. it is pretty much impossible for LSU to jump VT in the BCS"

you are DENSEEEEEEEEEEEEE SON.

I'll bet you 300 bucks it happens.


^^^^ what he said


THEY ALREADY BEAT THEM!!!! WHO CARES THEIR SOS OR CURRENT WIN STREAK OR SHOE SIZE OF THEIR WATERBOY!!< THEY BEAT THEM


300 bucks, you down

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 12:41 AM. Reason : f]

12/2/2007 12:41:24 AM

doesn't that make the VT/LSU game meaningless, then?

12/2/2007 12:42:25 AM

Quote :

"What do you all say when Washington beats Hawaii tonite? They are up 21-0 now"

I'll say that college football is a great sport, but that it is hindered because of a bulls*** system that determines its champion, where the financial power of alumni, TV ratings, sportswriters and coaches with conflicts of interest, computer formulas, and unbalanced schedules have more say on determining a champion than winning and losing games.

That's why it will for the foreseeable future continue to be #2 to college basketball in my college sports pantheon.



[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 12:47 AM. Reason : .]

12/2/2007 12:43:46 AM

Quote :

"doesn't that make the VT/LSU game meaningless, then? "

doesnt what? the fact that LSU won? and won the SEC? how is that a meaningless game? it certainly had meaning and still does, especially now that both games are being considered.

12/2/2007 12:46:17 AM

>.<

I guess, then, that at least one of LSU's losses is meaningless, then. Cause if you put LSU in the champ, then other 2-loss teams have been shafted, as has 1-loss Kansas

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 12:51 AM. Reason : ]

12/2/2007 12:49:37 AM

i'd be down with a conference winners playoff, assuming every conference was forced to have a championship game. championship week would be like the first week of the playoffs.

and this would have to include all the d-i conferences

12/2/2007 12:49:58 AM

all i'm trying to say, and you can't argue this is that LSU has been getting worse as the season goes on VT has been playing better

12/2/2007 12:57:12 AM

the sec is tough, i dont know how you can say they were playing worse as the season went on.

12/2/2007 12:58:22 AM

The current BCS standings.

TEAM RK PTS % RK PTS % A&H RB CM KM JS PW % COMP AVG BCS AVG PRVS
1 Missouri 1 2779 .9751 2 1454 .9693 25 23 24 25 25 25 .990 1 .9781 4
2 West Virginia 2 2753 .9660 1 1467 .9780 24 25 25 24 24 24 .970 2 .9713 3
3 Ohio State 3 2638 .9256 3 1383 .9220 23 24 23 22 21 23 .910 3 .9192 5
4 Georgia 4 2368 .8309 4 1232 .8213 21 17 22 23 20 20 .830 5 .8274 7
5 Kansas 6 2170 .7614 T-5 1161 .7740 22 22 16 19 23 21 .840 4 .7918 2
6 Virginia Tech 7 2164 .7593 T-5 1161 .7740 17 19 19 21 22 22 .810 6 .7811 8
7 LSU 5 2215 .7772 7 1134 .7560 20 21 21 20 18 18 .790 7 .7744 1
8 USC 9 2059 .7225 9 1073 .7153 18 20 13 14 16 16 .640 T-10 .6926 11
9 Oklahoma 8 2132 .7481 8 1126 .7507 14 10 15 13 13 17 .550 12 .6829 10
10 Florida 11 1757 .6165 11 898 .5987 15 15 18 17 17 14 .640 T-10 .6184 12

12/2/2007 12:59:04 AM

i can say it because they started losing and started letting peole put 30 and 40 points up on them. they lost to 2 no unranked teams with 5 and 4 losses respectively. and people want to say they'll jump VT because they beat them (and yes they did smack them down). well that is already figured into current BCS and other polls and VT is still ranked higher in most of them.

12/2/2007 1:01:21 AM

^ Coaches and Harris Poll voters will move LSU up their polls and that will enable them to leapfrog VT.

12/2/2007 1:02:10 AM

also, I think we can easily argue that Les Miles has been a pretty shitty coach this year...

12/2/2007 1:02:28 AM

i don't doubt that, and unfortunately they probably will put them above VT. VT should definitely jump georgia and kansas though (i mean kansas beat 2 teams with winning records) logically though, based on the teams that played today, and who they played, how they won, and how they've been playing at the end of the season, it should finish OSU, VT, LSU, Oklahoma, georgia or USC at number 5

12/2/2007 1:05:03 AM

Quote :

"I guess, then, that at least one of LSU's losses is meaningless, then. Cause if you put LSU in the champ, then other 2-loss teams have been shafted, as has 1-loss Kansas"

true
in a computer based system, humans have WAYYYYYY too much control, then again Chris Leak says thank you for the human interaction.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 1:06 AM. Reason : j]

12/2/2007 1:06:29 AM

This weekend should also prove that you DON'T WANT to play late games. The Big-11 is a fucking genius right now. If you can manage to lose early and then finish early, then you can sit back and watch other teams lose and then leap-frog other teams at the end of the year.

12/2/2007 1:07:47 AM

just shows how screwed up the system and the voters are.

they need something new, at least for a little while, not a playoff..wont happen...but a new system.

12/2/2007 1:08:10 AM

so really, you just want a system that makes money. You don't really care about a champion, right? or, you care about the money more than the champion.

12/2/2007 1:09:14 AM

i need to go to bed since i have work early in the morning... guess we'll see tommorrow when the BCS comes out

12/2/2007 1:09:26 AM

BUCKEYES, YOU HOES!!!!!!!!!!!1


hahah what an awesome night lets see you bitch when tressel holds up the crystal ball again, hopefully over Georgias sorry ass team

12/2/2007 1:10:28 AM

i care about the champ, the OUTRIGHT CHAMP

but im just saying I have no power to change it from my living room. none of us do really.

id love to see a playoff...


im just saying WHY it wont happen
^ like he did last year with a better team?

he got lucky and snuck his way in, better be glad and praying to God thanks that he got this far.




[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 1:11 AM. Reason : h]

12/2/2007 1:10:33 AM

Tressel didn't sneak in last year, Meyer did. Which in itself showed how fucked up the system is

12/2/2007 1:44:10 AM

I think a good system for a playoff would be 8 teams, and completely end this nonsense.

6 conference champions
2 at-large

The 2 at-large leaves the door open to be filled by other BCS schools that didn't win their conference, but also provides for non-BCS schools to have a chance to play for the national championship if they somehow managed to be ranked that high.

It would be absurd to have a national champion that didn't win their conference in the current setup.

Also, since it seems the Pac-10, Big East, and Big Ten don't have conference championships, they should be forced to make their top teams play a 13th game to be scheduled immediately following the conclusion of their season. OSU could play USC this week, and WVU could play whoever, and then we would have all teams in contention for a playoff spot being judged on 13 games, and not having a team like OSU getting extra rest because of not playing this weekend.

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 2:03 AM. Reason : If we had an 8 team playoff, Georgia would probably get one of the at-large bids]

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 2:07 AM. Reason : Rick Barnes has accepted the Michigan head football coach position]

12/2/2007 2:02:09 AM

bullshit. Those two at-large slots would ALWAYS go to BCS schools. Once again, you'd guarantee that only BCS schools get a shot at the chance, and you again say that the other conferences are worthless

12/2/2007 2:29:35 AM

LOOKS LIKE HAWAII JUST BURST THE BCS BUBBLE!!!

12/2/2007 2:51:05 AM

usc v. illinois rose bowl?!? ugh

12/2/2007 3:28:42 AM

ill be watching that game, not

12/2/2007 3:30:20 AM

That game will likely be a blowout, but there is no reason it shouldn't happen. I just hope they find a way to make a new system monetarily possible.

12/2/2007 4:14:59 AM