Some will drop but they may wait till NH - at the precinct on TV both Biden and Richardson had over 10% on the first ballot

[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 8:55 PM. Reason : .]

1/3/2008 8:52:13 PM

Damn. 24% in for the Democrats per MSNBC.

Edwards 33%
Clinton 32%
Obama 32%

1/3/2008 8:52:46 PM

According to CNN. Huckabee wins Iowa Caucuses.

1/3/2008 8:58:58 PM

186 for Obama - 116 for Edwards - 74 for Clinton at the precinct on TV

could end up a good night for Obama if the larger precincts are favoring him (as they probably haven't reported yet)

1/3/2008 8:59:10 PM

It's looking like a neck-and-neck race for 4th between Paul and McCain at the moment - Thompson looks (surprisingly!) poised for third. (Now, how he managed that is a wonder...)

1/3/2008 9:00:14 PM

According to Charles Gibson on ABC,

Huckabee wins it, Romney 2nd-place

Obama wins it, Clinton 2nd-place

my personal favorite though,

"Edwards a disappointing 3rd"

ha ha ha.

1/3/2008 9:01:05 PM

And Obama... "surges!" lolz.

Senator Barack Obama : 33.29%
Senator John Edwards : 32.11%
Senator Hillary Clinton : 31.71%
Governor Bill Richardson : 1.74%
Senator Joe Biden : 1.03%
Senator Chris Dodd : 0.07%
Uncommitted : 0.05%

Precincts Reporting: 659 of 1781

Hilary gets stomped. I like it.

1/3/2008 9:02:16 PM

yeah what an ass beating! 2% out of the lead

STOMPED

1/3/2008 9:07:09 PM

Given her aura of inevitability, placing third isn't exactly a stellar performance for The Woman Who Would Be President By Marriage.

1/3/2008 9:09:25 PM

as of right now 3 candidates each essentially have 1/3 of the vote. tell me how anyone of the top 3 "lost"

[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 9:11 PM. Reason : ,]

1/3/2008 9:10:42 PM

Well, I'm just reiterating what I heard, of course at this point it is too soon to say anything with certainty...

... however, I think the point it that since Edwards has focused on Iowa he ought to do better there, and obviously he is not doing all that well.

I don't find Thompson getting 3rd place all that surprising, he is more conservative than most.

1/3/2008 9:11:30 PM

How is Romney taking second in Iowa considered a loss?

Easy. Return on investment. And that investment, for those two at least, ain't returning at anything approaching a decent rate.

1/3/2008 9:12:08 PM

Senator Barack Obama : 34.52%
Senator John Edwards : 31.61%
Senator Hillary Clinton : 31.13%
Governor Bill Richardson : 1.69%
Senator Joe Biden : 0.98%
Senator Chris Dodd : 0.04%
Uncommitted : 0.03%

Precincts Reporting: 1000 of 1781

1/3/2008 9:14:24 PM

Quote :

"Clinton of New York leads the delegate race as of Thursday, with support from 154 superdelegates, more than three times the number supporting her nearest rival, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois. Obama has the support of 50 superdelegates, followed by former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, who has the backing of 33 superdelegates. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd have won the support of 19 and 17 superdelegates, respectively, while Delaware Sen. Joe Biden has eight superdelegates in his column. 'CNN Special Coverage' Get the fastest results and latest developments with special coverage of the Iowa caucuses. 8 p.m. ET see full schedule » Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich has the support of one superdelegate -- himself. All sitting Democratic governors, U.S. senators and U.S. representatives are all automatic superdelegates, which means that Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Kucinich, Obama and Richardson each began the race for delegates with at least one vote -- if they cast it for themselves. Democratic superdelegates make up about 800 votes of the just more than 2,000 delegate votes needed to clinch the presidential nomination at their convention."

1/3/2008 9:18:01 PM

NBC declares Obama the winner.....Obama needed it worse then Clinton and poor Edwards...after 6 years of campaigning in the state and still not a win....



[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 9:30 PM. Reason : w]

1/3/2008 9:29:29 PM

It is such bullshit that Iowa and N.H. get so much more say so when it comes to choosing the candidates from each party to run in the election.

Our entire presidential election process is a fucking sham and is hardly what i call a democratic institution. Insulted is what Classical Greece Athens would be if they knew our gov't compares our free democratic system to that of theirs.

1/3/2008 9:33:14 PM

^ If only those 300 Spartans knew what they were dying for


I agree though, Edwards finish a major disappointment for him.

1/3/2008 9:38:18 PM

Uh... Sparta was Athens' hated rival. Maybe you knew that. (Maybe not.)

(Also, they weren't even a democracy. More of a military junta.)

[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 9:42 PM. Reason : also...]

1/3/2008 9:41:20 PM

1/3/2008 9:43:33 PM

Senator Barack Obama : 36.99%
Senator John Edwards : 30.07%
Senator Hillary Clinton : 29.72%
Governor Bill Richardson : 2.16%
Senator Joe Biden : 0.91%
Uncommitted : 0.11%
Senator Chris Dodd : 0.03%
Precincts Reporting: 1604 of 1781

I repeat: stomped. And with increasing justification.

1/3/2008 9:53:40 PM

66% in

Mike Huckabee 25,510 34%
Mitt Romney 18,668 25%
Fred Thompson 10,308 14%
John McCain 9,891 13%
Ron Paul 7,674 10%
Rudy Giuliani 2,708 4%

1/3/2008 9:55:42 PM

wow look at that surge for McCain...



sorry dnl.

1/3/2008 10:01:38 PM

lol

ron paul may not even end up in double digits

then fox will be justified in not letting him in the debate (their rules are bullshit, i know, but still)

Quote :

"I repeat: stomped. "

because she was definitely getting completely owned when you first posted it

[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 10:05 PM. Reason : m]

1/3/2008 10:03:38 PM

Did you even bother to read the follow-up reply that I posted to that matter, or were you too busy using that eye-roll emoticon? I mean, I'm just curious and all.

1/3/2008 10:08:45 PM

yeah i read it. return on investment, blah blah blah

she was in a dead heat for the lead with like 30% reporting and you declared she was being "stomped"

then tried to spin it into her being "stomped" because she wasn't annihilating everyone else.

what if clinton had ended up with the plurality, with say, 35% instead of obama?

did she still get "stomped" 35% doesn't seem like such an awesome return on investmen

[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 10:17 PM. Reason : .]

1/3/2008 10:13:51 PM

So, you read the words, but did not process them. Gotcha.

And if she'd ended up with the plurality, then no, she wouldn't have gotten stomped. She'd have just wasted buttloads of money on a fairly narrow margin.

As it is, she came in behind Edwards, who basically has next to nothing to his name. Frankly, that's telling - she invested a crapload in Iowa and really doesn't have a lot to show for it. And in "reality land," we like to call that a swift kick in the ass. Kind of like the one hilariously delivered to Romney.

[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 10:17 PM. Reason : .]

1/3/2008 10:15:29 PM

obamaobamaobamaobamaobamaobamaobamaobamaobamaobamaobama

hillarrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(


lololollololololololol

1/3/2008 10:15:58 PM

[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 10:18 PM. Reason : ,]

1/3/2008 10:16:31 PM

Edwards speech is a real buzzkill.

I'm waiting for "my daddy worked in a mill"

[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 10:17 PM. Reason : a]

1/3/2008 10:17:09 PM

ask and you shall receive

1/3/2008 10:18:45 PM

Quote :

"She'd have just wasted buttloads of money on a fairly narrow margin."

hello and welcome to the race for the presidency

1/3/2008 10:19:02 PM

Quote :

"lol ron paul may not even end up in double digits then fox will be justified in not letting him in the debate"

woow you really just said that? and you expect anyone on here to take anything you say about politics seriously now?

1/3/2008 10:19:21 PM

Quote :

"hello and welcome to the race for the presidency"

Yeah, uh... quick check with history here. Trends like that typically do not bode well for campaigns, who typically expect to get more bang for the buck if they intend to make off with the actual nomination.

1/3/2008 10:20:29 PM

Edwards sounds a little drunk.

1/3/2008 10:22:11 PM

^^^hey dumbshit, way to selectively quote what i wrote

fox set the rules, and they will abide by their rules.

yeah, they are bullshit rules, pretty much everyone in america agrees.

[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 10:22 PM. Reason : ,]

1/3/2008 10:22:38 PM

hahahaha selectively quote? dont try and backout now just because you deleted it. the only statement i left out of that was the fact that you said you agreed it was BS. but that doesnt mean that the mere fact you thought they were justified because he might not end up in double digits didnt change because of that so i left it out, besides it was like right above mine, wasnt trying to hide anything.

one of the main reasons he ISNT as competitive is the fact that he was getting screwed over by the media left and right! the mere fact that he is in double digits at the moment with the way he was treated by the media is a victory in its own right.


so if yo meant something else or you were being sarcastic it didnt come out right thats for sure

[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 10:25 PM. Reason : ]

1/3/2008 10:22:42 PM

yay moral victories for everyone!

deleted what? what are you talking about.

i didn't say I thought it would be justified, i said it was bullshit. just that fox will think it's justified

[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 10:34 PM. Reason : .]

1/3/2008 10:24:39 PM

i was hoping edwards would let out a yell after he said nh, sc, etc

1/3/2008 10:26:30 PM

my apologies if i completely misunderstood you but you need to say that fox will think they are justified.

saying "fox will be justified" != fox will think they are justified....



[Edited on January 3, 2008 at 10:28 PM. Reason : ]

1/3/2008 10:26:33 PM

the fact that you left of where i say ITS BULLSHIT completely tears away at the context of my post

1/3/2008 10:28:19 PM

well im sorry i read it as fox IS justified and saying "their rules are bullshit, i know, but still" seemed to further support, i agree it was stupid to leave him off in principal but in the end they are still justified.

maybe im the only one that read it that way but it wasnt worded clear thats for sure.

im sorry and its not worth arguing about if thats not what you meant at all then.

1/3/2008 10:30:17 PM

well it probably wasn't very clear

but he's still at 10% so no worries yet, ok

1/3/2008 10:31:48 PM

i was hoping to see him in the teens but i cant be too upset with 10% considering everything

1/3/2008 10:33:07 PM

sorry hillary, even edwards speech bored me less than this

1/3/2008 10:35:55 PM

yeah that was awful.

chances of a ron paul speech?

where are the republican speeches?

1/3/2008 10:36:37 PM

^ Huckabee talking now.

McCain is now in third, having passed Fred Thompson.

Based on the numbers, it looks like the Democratic turnout for the caucuses is going to double the Republicans. Maybe the typical Iowa Republican just cares less about politics than the typical Iowa Democrat, but this is a 50/50 state in general elections, that is a huge difference. What is everyone's opinion on this?

1/3/2008 10:39:56 PM

Iowa is such a lame state

People only remember they're a state every 4 years

Seriously...who cares what Iowa thinks?

1/3/2008 10:40:47 PM

Chris Dodd officially dropping out. He's the first post-Iowa.

1/3/2008 10:41:24 PM

does he get to donate his money to hillary...i bet he wants her to win

1/3/2008 10:53:54 PM

^ What money?

1/3/2008 10:55:58 PM