meh, you can't hate THE OL' BALL COACH.

12/4/2007 7:28:15 PM

don't you mean The Old Ball Sack?

12/4/2007 7:28:46 PM

Steinbrenner, people...

12/4/2007 7:31:48 PM

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"most dominant coach of that time period... "

Did you ever hear of Bobby Bowden, the one guy that that had success over Spurrier?

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 7:36 PM. Reason : ..]

12/4/2007 7:36:20 PM

no, never


during THAT time period, Spurrier was the most dominant coach

Six SEC titles (1991, 1993-1996, 2000)

5-time Coach of the Year

Spurrier is the only major college coach to win as many as 120 games in his first 12 seasons at one school (122-27-1(.817) at Florida from 1990-2001).

One of only two coaches in major college history to win 10 or more games in six consecutive seasons (1993-98).

Gator offense became the only unit in modern collegiate history to score at least 500 points


Bowden had it easy, he was in the ACC most of that time

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 7:41 PM. Reason : d]

12/4/2007 7:39:55 PM

Bowden against Spurrier 8-5-1, hmm? The head to head is the most clear cut way to compare coaches on any level. Twice as many national titles as Spurrier in that time, hmm? I know Bowden went to the national title game for the 93, 96 (both) 98, 99, 2000 seasons. Did Spurrier make more than 2 appearances (I remember against FSU and Neb)? If not, the doubling up rule is present yet again. If this is an SEC vs. ACC argument, no one is saying the ACC is a better conference, but it would be hard to go up against Bowden in the ACC, I mean, what do you want him to do, win every single conference game for 10 years, well, he got close.

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"One of only two coaches in major college history to win 10 or more games in six consecutive seasons (1993-98)."

Hmm, I wonder who the other coach was?? (HINT: the guy you're trying to say was inferior)

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"Spurrier is the only major college coach to win as many as 120 games in his first 12 seasons at one school (122-27-1(.817) at Florida from 1990-2001)."

Bowden was 128-19-1 in the same time period, hmm?

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"Gator offense became the only unit in modern collegiate history to score at least 500 points"

You can't be serious, this has nothing to do with the ability to coach, the guy ran it up every chance he got, Bowden could have done the same thing in the ACC, maybe worse




[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 8:01 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2007 7:49:19 PM

chuck amato is as good of a coach as bobby bowden

12/4/2007 7:52:22 PM

damn right spurrier wasnt shit


fucker got fluked all the time lcuky as hell

12/4/2007 7:55:18 PM

well they went at it for 7 years, not a large sample size, and if Amato were here for another year, or gotten here a year earlier, then.....Bunting doubled up Amato sadly now that I think about it

12/4/2007 7:57:13 PM

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"Bowden could have done the same thing in the ACC"

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 8:05 PM. Reason : d]

12/4/2007 8:05:27 PM

no argument that the ACC is better than the SEC, but you look foolish to say that Spurrier was a better coach than Bowden from 90-2001. I think it's hilarious that you said that Spurrier was one of two coaches blah blah and the other coach was....Bowden. The 500 point thing was a gem too. No problem being an SEC fan, but keep the hate of the ACC from clouding up common sense.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 8:13 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2007 8:12:25 PM

^ why foolish?


ok, lets throw out who has better "stats" then, I will agree, they are tied... but Spurrier did it in a better, much better, conference, wouldnt that make him a better coach?

12/4/2007 8:14:13 PM

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"ok, lets throw out who has better "stats" then,"

you busted out the stats, not me, I just refuted every single one of them with more impressive stats from Bowden of the same category .

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"they are tied"

certainly not in head to head wins, national championships, wins in that time frame, I'm lost...

Also, tell me why Spurrier ducked Miami his whole tenure? Bowden played them every year and tried to beef up his non conference schedule any chance he got even though his plate was already full with Florida and Miami every year.

12/4/2007 8:22:24 PM

ACC



ACC was HORRIBLE back then, much worse than now... Spurrier could have had 20 less wins and it still would have been more impressive

12/4/2007 8:24:34 PM

head-to-head record

enough said

12/4/2007 8:26:22 PM

once again, head to head doesnt mean shit because one team had a whole year of playing a really hard schedule, the other didnt

12/4/2007 8:27:16 PM

k

12/4/2007 8:27:56 PM

you are right, no one EVER gets hurt or banged up...

12/4/2007 8:29:06 PM

well that's a pretty convenient excuse for 13 years

this isn't my argument though, so imma stay out now

12/4/2007 8:29:50 PM

players can get banged up regardless of level of competition

12/4/2007 8:30:16 PM

venis williams

12/4/2007 8:30:33 PM

^^^ so you think playing in the 90s ACC was JUST as hard as playing in the 90s SEC?

^^ well no shit, but playing bigger, faster, harder hitting teams increases your chances. Playing a lot of close games, no time to get the backups in, starter goes down, boom you are fucked etc.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 8:31 PM. Reason : d]

12/4/2007 8:30:34 PM

You've got issues with the ACC, but your previous arguments for Spurrier being the better coach were shot down with factual numbers and are laughable. Bowden lost 4 conference games in that same 11 year time frame, what more could he have done? tell you what, present your case to some college football historian, see what any of them say, and please don't forget your "500 points........" for emphasis.

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"so you think playing in the 90s ACC was JUST as hard as playing in the 90s SEC?"

Read the part where I said the ACC isn't/wasn't better than the SEC. Bowden lost 4 games in 11 years, Spurrier lost what, at least 8 (don't know for sure), so I'd say the two conference records are at least comparable, I mean I'm saying Spurrier can lose twice as many conference games as Bowden and calling it equal??

BTW wiki machine, nice job pasting the "only one of two coaches to win 10 games from 93 to 98." I didn't even look that up previously, I just knew Bowden was the other, obviously you have no clue about this Bobby Bowden fellow. I just tried to find what Spurrier's record was in the SEC from 90-2001, couldn't find it on the fly, but I bet it was more than 8 games.



[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 8:42 PM. Reason : trying to find sec record]

12/4/2007 8:30:50 PM

you didnt shoot down shit, you are just a typical ACC homer. I promise you, you ask ANYONE that knows college football which conference was harder and they will tell you the SEC. Is Bowden good? sure, hes great, maybe the best ever, but I think what Spurrier did in a much harder conference is more impressive than what Bowden did in a lesser conference

12/4/2007 8:32:59 PM

^ man shut the hell up ACC dominates this shit


there are 7-8 teams in the ACC that could when the SuECks every year

hell dook would be 8-4 even


over rated cha cha cha cha

12/4/2007 8:40:01 PM

i have always fucking ABHORRED Steve Spurrier AND Tommy Bowden.

absolute hate for those pussies.

12/4/2007 8:40:18 PM

12/4/2007 8:42:38 PM

While I agree that the ACC wasn't anywhere close to the level of the SEC back then, it wasn't a completely terrible conference. GT had come off a National Championship in 1990. UVA had been the #1 ranked team one of the years prior to FSU coming in and had established themselves as one of the better ACC teams of the 90s with George Welsh. Clemson was still a perennial Top 25 team. North Carolina was a top 10 team a couple of years. Hell Duke was ranked around #14 at one point during 1994. I don't care what you say, losing only 2 conference games in an 8 season span 1993-2000, is a pretty amazing accomplishment, especially when you consider that the first one @ UVA in 1995 they were just a couple of inches away from winning it, and the State win in 1998 Weinke had one of his worst games ever with 6 interceptions. They were unbeaten at home in conference play until 2001 when State beat them. Hell just look at the Peach Bowl during the 90s when it became exclusively ACC vs. SEC.

January 2, 1993 North Carolina 21 Mississippi State 17
December 31, 1993 Clemson 14 Kentucky 13
January 1, 1995 North Carolina State 28 Mississippi State 24
December 30, 1995 Virginia 34 Georgia 27
December 28, 1996 LSU 10 Clemson 7
January 2, 1998 Auburn 21 Clemson 17
December 31, 1998 Georgia 35 Virginia 33
December 30, 1999 Mississippi State 17 Clemson 7
December 29, 2000 LSU 28 Georgia Tech 14
December 31, 2001 North Carolina 16 Auburn 10
December 31, 2002 Maryland 30 Tennessee 3
January 2, 2004 Clemson 27 Tennessee 14
December 31, 2004 Miami (Florida) 27 Florida 10
December 30, 2005 LSU 40 Miami (Florida) 3
December 30, 2006 Georgia 31 Virginia Tech 24


That's 8 ACC wins to 7 SEC wins. I know that this bowl game doesn't pit the very best of the two conferences against each other, but the match up is usually between two of the better teams from the conferences. In fact in 2005, the Peach Bowl had two top 10 teams face each other (even though Miami wasn't really worthy of that ranking at that point in the season).

What both Bowden and Spurrier did in the 90s was extremely impressive, a feat that may not be seen for quite some time. USC right now may be the closest thing we see in terms of an 8 year span of dominating a conference like those two did.

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12/4/2007 8:44:18 PM

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"you didnt shoot down shit, you are just a typical ACC homer"

I certainly did, but if you'd care to explain the "one of only two coaches to win 10 games from 93-98" point again, I'd be more than appreciative for another laugh, shoot form the hip man, quit looking up stuff thats going to come back and bite you. Please scroll up to my post regarding your other gems that were shot down with more impressive facts. No one is saying that the ACC was better than the SEC, but not twice as good, Bowden lost 4 conf, games in that period, period. But you got me with the "500 points in a season" as that one takes the cake for sure!

Aight, it's apparent I took the bait, I'm done.



[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 8:49 PM. Reason : ..]

12/4/2007 8:46:35 PM

^^ damn fucking rite



ACC FOOTBALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SEC FOOTBALL

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 8:47 PM. Reason : d]

12/4/2007 8:47:05 PM

^^ once again, one was against a very very strong conference, the other was in a conference with one really good team and a bunch of shit with maybe 1 team stepping up every year or so


^ wtf? jesus christ you fucks cannot be objective when it comes to sports, so fucking annoying

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 8:49 PM. Reason : d]

12/4/2007 8:48:15 PM

where's Beardawg when we need him to get rid of the trolls. the SEC is the most dominant conference of the past 15-20 years, but it's not like the SEC is Division I-A and every other conference is I-AA. some people tend to over hype how great the SEC is in football, the same can be applied to the ACC in basketball.

12/4/2007 8:52:15 PM

12/4/2007 8:55:06 PM

^ and?


once again, have those teams play LSU, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee 5 weeks in a row, then go out of conference and I bet those numbers drop like a rock

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 8:57 PM. Reason : d]

12/4/2007 8:56:57 PM

I like how you asked me to survey other people's opinion of the SEC over the ACC, I'm not dumb, I know the SEC was better, now you run along and ask people if Spurrier was a better coach than Bowden in that time frame, and as I mentioned earlier, use the "500 points in a season" as your backbone, because head to head, national titles, national title appearances, total wins, etc are cases against your claim. Playing in the toughest conference is certainly a plus for your argument, but in no way shape or form is it an end all be all, especially when Bowden lost 4 conference games by the end of the 2001 season.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 9:00 PM. Reason : grammar out of control]

12/4/2007 8:57:44 PM

I was just posting numbers since yall seem to like numbers. I'm still trying to figure out how this thread got turned into an SEC-ACC pissing contest

12/4/2007 8:58:52 PM

^jaybee showed up

12/4/2007 8:59:29 PM

^^^ its a major major difference...

^ no, acc homers should up... FSU fucking dominated the acc when they first joined, it was a joke... and dont say "thats because bowden was sooooo good" hes still there and not nearly as good... why? because the ACC is a lot better than it was but its STILL not near the SEC and is bowden tearing shit up? nope



[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 9:01 PM. Reason : d]

12/4/2007 8:59:31 PM

haha. the acc is better? it's like watered down shit right now.

12/4/2007 9:02:03 PM

as an overall conference it is better than it was when FSU first joined... or maybe more "even" is a better term... for a long time it was FSU and a bunch of terds


but ok, lets say it is watered down, hell, lets say it sucks... why isnt Bowden winning all the time now if it soooo much easier?





but if you want to get this thread back on track... hardly anyone hates Bowden, hes the cool grandfather of coaches... everyone hates Spurrier

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 9:05 PM. Reason : d]

12/4/2007 9:03:30 PM

TEAMS BETTER THAN ANY TEAM IN THE SEC:


FLORIDA STATE
VIRGINIA TECH
VIRIGNIA
GT
MARYLAND
BC
MAIMI




/THREAD FINISHED

12/4/2007 9:07:13 PM

okay, I'll disregard the SEC championship game since it wouldn't be fair, so Spurrier goes 82-12 in the SEC, very impressive, Bowden goes 76-4 (joined ACC in 92)......Bowden lost 4 games in a noticeably weaker but nowhere close to a DII conference which you're making the ACC out to be. I guess we can prorate it and say he lost 4.8 games in 12 years. Is the SEC better, OBVIOUSLY, but Bowden's domination of the ACC is nothing to poke fun at. This one (Spurrier vs. Bowden) is not as close a a comparison as you make it out to be, speaking of homers, I haven't seen a bigger homer than what you post.

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"why isnt Bowden winning all the time now if it soooo much easier?"

Sort of like Spurrier is right now?? You keep throwing up on yourself like its the new thing

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 9:16 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2007 9:11:44 PM

El Tri.

(the Mexican national soccer team)

12/4/2007 9:12:09 PM

^^ HA


I KNEW, fucking KNEW you were going to say that, so predictable... Spurrier hasnt been at South Carolina long enough yet to get the players he needs, unlike Bowden who has been there forever

12/4/2007 9:19:51 PM

spurrier at south carolina comes off like a guy doing usc a favor. i am not at all convinced that he actually cares about south carolina football.

12/4/2007 9:24:03 PM

Keep slamming Bowden in favor of Spurrier, it makes you look more intelligent. Bowden is what, 77? Yea the game has passed him by, we're talking about 90-2001, you keep turning this into a SEC vs ACC (which I took the bait), even after I acknowledged the SEc is better than the ACC. Then you turn it into a where are they now. You still have yet to acknowledge your points of "one of two coaches to win 10+ for 6 years" was completely shot down, and the amount of wins from 90-2001 was shot down, and the whole 500 points thing as being even somewhat relevant, admit you're wrong man, it's on paper and able to be proven, unlike many other opinionated topics.

12/4/2007 9:26:31 PM

sigh. OK, Bowden has been in one place. If he was soooo good, and it wasnt at all a question of the ACC being bad, AND the acc is now "watered down" then Bowden should be continuing his same dominance. But he isnt... so therefore either he isnt a good coach, OR, the league around him has caught up and now he isnt doing as well.

Spurrier on the other hand had his great years when the conference WAS already really good... then left for 2 years, came back to a team without his players, without a stable coaching staff etc so we dont know if he can do it again or not, but that doesnt matter because hes already proved he could do it in a conference with a lot of good teams, Bowdens dominating years occurred when the rest of the conference sucked ass


I never turned it into a "where are they now" except to say that now that the ACC is better overall, Bowden isnt dominating. Spurrier dominated when the SEC WAS already really good

AND, I never "slammed Bowden", in fact, I said he might be the greatest coach ever... but I still feel what Spurrier did during that time period was more impressive than what Bowden did.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 9:33 PM. Reason : d]

12/4/2007 9:31:05 PM

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"so therefore either he isnt a good coach, OR, the league around him has caught up and now he isnt doing as well. "

I guess pushing 80 has nothing to do with a diminishing performance, as we all know, everyone is as sharp at 78 as they are when they are 35-70. I already stated he was over the hill, please read it again. Hell, he was 70 when he won the national title, that's pretty good if you ask me. When Spurrier is blasting the SEC into his middle-late 70's I'll more than concede that particular point. I'll leave it at this, I do not think there was any coach of any team that could have posted the 76-4 acc record from 90-2001, and that includes Spurrier, I mean each games represents 25% of the error margin.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 9:38 PM. Reason : .]

12/4/2007 9:36:01 PM

well, thats your opinion, I think he knows just as much as he always has... I just think its more ACC schools taking football seriously

12/4/2007 9:37:23 PM

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"I think he knows just as much as he always has"

The man doesn't even know how to send an email, the game (esp. recruiting, and that's over half the battle) has passed him by, it's not about retaining what you know so much as it is keeping up with the changing landscape....see there you go, getting me on the here and now as opposed tot he topic at hand 1990-2001.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 9:44 PM. Reason : ..]

12/4/2007 9:43:40 PM