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12/17/2007 5:19:46 PM

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"javi has been fine. he's a freshman and so he's made stupid mistakes, but he's also shown flashes of greatness....some great passes, really scrappy defensive plays...he's ok now, but he'll be good eventually "

idk what flashes of greatness you have seen . . . maybe flashes of acceptability, but not greatness. Have you watched him shoot a 3? he shoots from his chest like a little kid would.

12/17/2007 6:49:19 PM

he isn't terrible... at least he's pretty scrappy and can bring some enthusiasm to the court. we need it right now.

oh, and he had more assists than farnold last game

12/17/2007 7:46:01 PM

I was pleased with Javi's play considering that it was his first time getting significant minutes in a college basketball game. The fact that Lowe let him run the show for 23 minutes suggests he was pleased with Javi's play as well. The guy is a freshman, so turnovers are to be expected.

And we need Javi to get as much experience/confidence as possible before ACC play. He made some mistakes, but he also got 7 rebounds and made some nice passes too, like the no-looker to JJ in the post. I'm sure it was a great learning experience for him, and I predict he will eventually be better than Degand, but time will tell. They've both done better than I expected so far. Hopefully Johnson will be solid as well, but I doubt he plays much at point.


[Edited on December 17, 2007 at 9:55 PM. Reason : .]

12/17/2007 9:44:18 PM

Freshmen and inexperienced players need to make their impact on defense first. The best and most likely way for them to help the team is on the defensive end. Offensive skill only comes with time. If Javi can learn to bother and disrupt the other team's PG, he will have earned his freshman PT.

12/17/2007 10:04:41 PM

t minus 110 minutes

http://www.gopack.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9200&ATCLID=1355008

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"Y TONY HAYNES Raleigh, N.C. – Given the fact that NC State used 10 players – including nine that played double-figure minutes – in last Saturday’s 74-49 victory over South Carolina State, the Wolfpack isn’t necessarily a team that is in dire need of adding an extra body. But when the Pack (5-3) hosts dangerous Davidson (4-5) at the RBC Center Friday night at 7 p.m., it will indeed have another player vying for minutes in its already crowded rotation. After sitting out one year to accommodate the NCAA’s mandatory transfer rule, Marques Johnson is now eligible to run with the Pack. But whether that means the Tennessee transfer will actually see some playing time in the immediate future is another story. A 6-5 point guard, Johnson will be joining a backcourt that already includes lead guards Farnold Degand and freshman Javier Gonzalez. And while Degand has logged most of the minutes at the point this season, he actually played only 17 minutes against South Carolina State, six fewer than Gonzalez. As of Thursday, NC State head coach Sidney Lowe wasn’t quite sure what role Johnson would be playing in the immediate future. “We’re already playing nine or 10 guys, so it’s tough to say minutes-wise what he’ll get,” Lowe said. “The nice thing is knowing he is available. You never know when the opportunity might present itself.” As a freshman at Tennessee, Johnson played four games early last season before making the decision to go elsewhere. He landed at NC State in December and has been practicing with the Wolfpack ever since. Rated the nation’s 42nd best prospect coming out of Snider High School in Fort Wayne, Indiana, Johnson averaged 15 points, seven rebounds and three assists his senior year. He has three years of eligibility remaining. While Johnson was sitting out NC State’s first seven games, Degand, a former transfer himself, was given the opportunity to adjust to live competition after fulfilling his transfer rule obligations. “There’s a big difference because the intensity level is a lot different in a game than it is in practice,” Lowe said. “The crowd is there, so there’s a little more pressure to do well. When you haven’t played in a live game for a year or so, there’s quite an adjustment when you get out there. I think Farnold has handled it well. Marques is going to go through the same thing. Just the fact that he’s going to be suited up and out there with his guys, that’s going to be a treat and a thrill for him.” Johnson isn’t as speedy and quick as Degand or Gonzalez, meaning his style is quite different than the two players currently ahead of him. “He’s a steady type of run the show point guard,” said Lowe. “He’ll get you into your offense, defend, hustle; it’s nothing flashy. He’s just going to come in and work hard for you. That’s all we’ll ask him to do.” With games against Davidson, Cincinnati and Seton Hall coming up within a six-day period, the Wolfpack is about to enter into a challenging stretch that could be quite revealing. Will the Pack show improvement in the next week or it will it slip into the disjointed habits that proved so costly in losses to New Orleans, Michigan State and East Carolina? “This is a very tough stretch, no question about it,” Lowe said. “These next three ballgames will tell a lot I think. Right now with this game tomorrow, I want to see how we come out of the gates with energy and focus to get off to a good start. Can we keep our focus, our concentration and that effort of playing defense and getting stops when you need to?” Having already pushed top 10 opponents North Carolina, Duke and UCLA to the limit, Davidson has proven it can hang with the best teams in the country. The Wildcats were only a few late missed layups away from stunning the Tar Heels in Charlotte back on November 14, and led UCLA by 18 in the first half before eventually falling 75-63. Three Davidson regulars are shooting better than 40 percent from the 3-point line, including Stephen Curry, who averages 24 points per game. Curry is the son of former NBA sharpshooter Dell Curry, an ex-pro teammate of Lowe’s. “We’re going to try to play strong, tough man-to-man defense,” Lowe said. “He’s one of those players that you just don’t leave him. If you’re two-feet away from him, that’s too far. It’s a tough job and we’re going to need more than one guy to defend him because he’s constantly moving and they’re constantly setting screens for him and he does a good job of reading the screens. He has a little step-back move he uses to clear some space and all he needs is a look.” The two teams are diametric opposites in what they’re trying to accomplish on offense. With 279 3-point attempts in nine games, Davidson has taken 153 more 3-point shots than NC State. Of course, the Wolfpack will counter with an inside attack led by freshman sensation J.J. Hickson, who averages 18 points per game leads in the ACC in field goal percentage (71.2 percent). Lowe hopes his team’s excellent defense against the 3-point shot continues on Friday. In eight games, the Wolfpack has held its opponents to just 33.3 percent from the arc. “When you look at the statistics, our opponents are shooting only 38 percent,” Lowe said. “That’s pretty good. We’ve been able to get stops at times and defend people for the most part this year and we have guarded that three line real well. If we can continue to hold people to just 38 percent shooting, we should be ok. Of course, we have to make some shots, which has been a struggle for us at times.” This will be the 82nd meeting between NC State and Davidson, but the first since 1995. The Wolfpack holds a 68-13 advantage in the all-time series."

12/21/2007 5:10:48 PM

i say this guy is lucky if he gets on the court for more than 5 minutes.

12/21/2007 5:14:33 PM

if nothing else, he becoming eligible means that fergy has played his last meaningful minutes here

12/21/2007 5:21:54 PM

where the fuck is this lil ngr

12/21/2007 5:31:08 PM

Wow no playing time.

Marques was really highly recruited and has to be better than Javi.

12/23/2007 12:21:48 AM

I'm not really surprised that Sid didn't feel like giving a guy his first ever minutes here during a close game against a scrappy team.

I think we'll see him get some time over the next few games.

12/23/2007 12:23:05 AM

Told you guys. Personally, I'm ready to see furgie get these minutes. Sure he can't create anything and may have trouble bringing the ball up or playing d but the same can be said about these "point guards". They don't even look comfortable dribbling. At least trevor can shoot it and we wouldn't have to play so much 5 on 4. I rather play nieman ball. We need a guy capable of shooting open 3s out there.

12/28/2007 5:04:48 PM

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"We need a guy capable of shooting open 3s out there."

but, as you said, that's the only thing ferguson can do

he's the most one dimensional player since luke schenshsshehr

and at least that dude could provide marginal defense

12/28/2007 5:08:18 PM

^^wow you are an idiot

do you know anything about basketball?

have you ever seen ferguson play?

are you really suggesting we rely on him to play PG?

gonzalez/johnson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ferguson

[Edited on December 28, 2007 at 5:13 PM. Reason : /]

12/28/2007 5:10:51 PM

I was impressed. He's a little tenative, but he doesn't look completely terrified of scoring like Javi does.

12/28/2007 5:13:26 PM

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"Told you guys."

Told us what, you are an idiot?

I thought Marques played fairly well for his first real college experience....especially after sitting out.

12/28/2007 5:13:37 PM

hey daire the dumb broad
you are the same idiot that said this:

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" Johnson sucks guys let it go. There is no knight in shining armor to save us. He's had a year with the team and still doesn't get any minutes. You won't be able to find any good player who went 2 games with 0 minutes. Sure he can improve but right now he is not good enough to get minutes. Degand didn't sit out any games. If any decent acc caliber player transferred they would be in the game as soon as they could because we could have used another guard the last 2 games. *I support our players but its realistic to say a guy sucks if he is beat out easily by Javi with no other guard on the team"" "

[Edited on December 28, 2007 at 5:15 PM. Reason : thank fucking god you are not a coach in our system - please dont post in sports talk]

12/28/2007 5:15:06 PM

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"I support our players but its realistic to say a guy sucks if he is beat out easily by Javi with no other guard on the team"

aha

i guess by "beat out" you meant "not eligible to play"

12/28/2007 5:19:01 PM

marques johnson sighting at best buy in cary, along with fergie and big ben

12/28/2007 5:21:56 PM

^really?

what were they buying?? some ipod stuff? lol

12/28/2007 6:09:56 PM

hopefully some talent

12/28/2007 6:14:59 PM

yeah they were buying some ipod things and other handheld electronics so ferguseon could occupy himself duriing games since he won't be playing at all

12/28/2007 6:15:05 PM

I must say, Johnson looked confident and I felt good when the ball the basketball was in his hands...I'm not giving him a cookie yet...but I saw some things (back door at the end of SH game, hitting free throws, ball handling) that I liked. He may be...just maybe...be the man.

12/28/2007 6:25:25 PM

he needs to start hitting some 3s before i give him the title of "da man". i know he was just easing himself back into real game like situations yesterday and probably was ordered to not try and do too much, but we really need someone to step up and become an outside threat.

hopefully costner can get his shot back and looking like the shane battier type of player that we saw at the latter portion of the season.

12/28/2007 7:47:03 PM

i agree with the previousposter that he looked decent considering its his first time playing in awhile


when he was in we scored

when javi was in we fell apart

12/28/2007 8:33:51 PM

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"when he was in we scored when javi was in we fell apart"

that's a bit of an overstatement.

12/28/2007 10:48:26 PM

^indeed

12/28/2007 10:55:08 PM

javi seems terrified when he has a wide open shot with nobody even 20' near him.

12/29/2007 12:46:10 AM

definitely outshined javi this afternoon.

12/29/2007 6:02:17 PM

I saw the ball hit javi's face while he was just dribbling. Does not exude much confidence right now.

12/30/2007 1:28:58 PM

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"marques johnson sighting at best buy in cary, along with fergie and big ben"

i was there haha...there were a few more as well

12/30/2007 1:40:51 PM

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"I saw the ball hit javi's face while he was just dribbling. Does not exude much confidence right now. "

hahaha

12/30/2007 6:09:47 PM

this is the only thing he has done all year to help our basketball team score points..

this pass to hickson. other than that, he has been useless

12/30/2007 7:37:01 PM

javi is getting way too much shit. honestly.

12/30/2007 7:50:44 PM

Some of you are forgetting how many steals Javi has gotten or caused simply by getting into the passing lanes or playing heads up basketball and smacking the ball out of an opposing players hands, a lot of times when it's not his man. He is still just a freshman. He's been put in a stressful situation. Most freshmen hardly even play, and have a year to develop and get used to the system. Instead he's being asked to play a significant role on the team. Ced didn't look great as a freshman. McCauley didn't look great as a freshman either. But look at how far they came from their freshman to their sophmore years.

This reminds me of all the asshats getting on Grant in the past but are now kissing his butt.

12/30/2007 8:10:43 PM

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"javi is getting way too much shit. honestly."

12/30/2007 9:00:56 PM

yeah you guys are right. his 0.1 points per game are honestly too much to handle. let's give him the floor vs ty lawson. yeah

12/30/2007 9:25:49 PM

^ b/c pts are ALL that matter

12/30/2007 9:28:03 PM

That steal he got in the backcourt of the last game or the game before it was huge.

12/31/2007 12:05:10 AM

^^ pretty much. in fact i was giving him credit for the pass in the pic above. not his points scored.

hope javi can get off a good shot or 2 before we hit the season vs unc then clemson

that's all. i ain't hatin on him

12/31/2007 9:30:54 AM

rat, youre an idiot. PG's are supposed to be pass first / shoot second
Assists would be more important than points for a PG since he is the guy on the floor getting everyone into the right set

please...shut the fuck up

12/31/2007 10:26:19 AM

^^that's all that you seem to do about ncsu basketball: hate.

[Edited on December 31, 2007 at 10:27 AM. Reason : .]

12/31/2007 10:27:06 AM

gunzz calling someone an idiot in sports talk?

i've seen it all now

12/31/2007 10:29:59 AM

hey ernie, have you had a good holiday surfing TWW all day and night? ive been out having fun with my girlfriend and other real people instead of sitting on a message board.

12/31/2007 10:33:29 AM

fuck! you got me!

12/31/2007 10:37:36 AM

That was a pretty dumb thing to say though, points scored are one of the least important statistics for a point guard of all things.

Atsur rarely broke double digits last year but he was absolutely crucial to us.

12/31/2007 10:38:43 AM

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"Assists would be more important than points for a PG since he is the guy on the floor getting everyone into the right set "

somebody named gunz doesn't know how to use teh internets and get his statistics

can i see his wonderful assists you speak of???


OH thats right, i pointed out practically the only one he's had worth shit all year

so sit down and shut the fuck back up yourself bitch.

12/31/2007 10:59:54 AM

hey idiot, did i say Javi was an assist machine? I was pointing out the fact that you fucking clueless if you think that the PG's most important stat is points.

its assists and assists to turn over ratio. so please, eat a dick!
Thanks
gunz(Z) since you cant even get that right

[Edited on December 31, 2007 at 12:35 PM. Reason : fag]

12/31/2007 12:35:29 PM

thanks gunz aka sr fucktard mod. you know shit about sports plz leave

12/31/2007 1:00:31 PM

the daire = Howard

just so ya'll know who you're arguing with

12/31/2007 1:16:49 PM