Yeah Klesko was like the Rasheed of baseball, except he actually wasn't that good of a player

12/13/2007 11:37:12 AM

Quote :

"There's already talk that the report is already losing credibility due to the fact that it was headed by a director for the Red Sox and already is known to name several prominent Yankees"

The list I have included Varitek and Taveraz. Not to mention prominent members of the World Series winning 2004 team including Damon, Nixon and Sanchez. If that holds true the bitching would only be from sour grapes Yankees fans...

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 11:37 AM. Reason : i lost recpect for pujols in 2006 nlcs... the glavine quotes..]

12/13/2007 11:37:26 AM

^Yeah even as a Sox fan I'd be very surprised to not see at least a couple of names, in fact I'm almost hoping there are so I don't have to listen to those Yankee fans

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 11:46 AM. Reason : ]

12/13/2007 11:45:24 AM

No A-Rod on there.

Baseball breathes. They need him to be clean to pass Bonds.


Question for the diehards here. I'm a casual Reds fan, so if any of our players were on roids, they should ask for a refund. Do you care? Does this change your impression of your team, their players on the list? My opinion is that people don't really care if players are using roids or not (see the NFL), but care if they're using steroids only if they break home run records.

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 11:54 AM. Reason : .]

12/13/2007 11:48:14 AM

I think if you look at the players and how they are allocated on teams you will see mixed results...will the Yankees have a higher number of players than other teams? Perhaps, but maybe just because they pay the best players and some of the best players are juicers...do the Astros and Rangers have more players than other teams? Perhaps, but maybe because they're closer to Mexico and easier access to roids?

Do the Kansas City Royals have any juicers? Man I hope not cause that would be pathetic

12/13/2007 12:01:38 PM

Rick Ankiel, Ryan Franklin, Mark McGwire, Albert Pujols, Fernando Tatis

All make me

LOL at fucking John Rocker.

12/13/2007 12:13:41 PM

Is Rocker the only former/current Atlanta Brave on that list? I'm supposed to be studying for finals, so I didn't look at the list very carefully...

12/13/2007 12:16:13 PM

No

12/13/2007 12:20:36 PM

Quote :

"There's already talk that the report is already losing credibility due to the fact that it was headed by a director for the Red Sox and already is known to name several prominent Yankees "

Goddamn that's a lot of "already"s in one sentence.

Enough, already!

12/13/2007 12:35:04 PM

Quote :

" Is Rocker the only Atlanta Brave on the list?"

NO. Bret Boone and Damian Moss played for the Braves at one point.

And Sheffield. And Paul Byrd And Wally Joiner

12/13/2007 12:36:11 PM

Quote :

"Goddamn that's a lot of "already"s in one sentence. Enough, already!"

Wow, I was re-reading it thinking "wtf is he talking about, there's only 2.....oh, yeah that is a bit excessive"

12/13/2007 12:55:32 PM

if i had to guess

Brady Anderson
Manny Alexander
Rick Ankiel
Jeff Bagwell
Barry Bonds
Aaron Boone
Rafael Bettancourt
Bret Boone
Milton Bradley
David Bell
Dante Bichette
Albert Belle
Paul Byrd
Wil Cordero
Ken Caminiti
Mike Cameron
Ramon Castro
Jose Canseco
Ozzie Canseco
Roger Clemens
Paxton Crawford
Wilson Delgado
Lenny Dykstra
Johnny Damon
Carl Everett
Kyle Farnsworth
Ryan Franklin
Troy Glaus
Rich Garces
Jason Grimsley
Juan Gonzalez
Eric Gagne
Nomar Garciaparra
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Jose Guillen
Jay Gibbons
Juan Gonzalez
Clay Hensley
Jerry Hairston
Felix Heredia, Jr.
Darren Holmes
Wally Joyner
Darryl Kile
Matt Lawton
Raul Mondesi
Mark McGwire
Guillermo Mota
Robert Machado
Damian Moss
Abraham Nunez
Trot Nixon
Jose Offerman
Andy Pettitte
Mark Prior
Neifi Perez
Rafael Palmiero
Albert Pujols
Brian Roberts
Juan Rincon
John Rocker
Pudge Rodriguez
Sammy Sosa
Scott Sc hoenweiis
David Segui
Alex Sanchez
Gary Sheffield
Miguel Tejada
Julian Tavarez
Fernando Tatis
Maurice Vaughn
Jason Varitek
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Kerry Wood

12/13/2007 1:14:40 PM

^

12/13/2007 1:19:51 PM

there are several sox up there so i dont see how they can use that as an excuse

i wish he'd wrap this shit up and give me some names

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 2:02 PM. Reason : .]

12/13/2007 2:02:09 PM

does he honestly think anybody's listening to him right now?

12/13/2007 2:08:01 PM

^ Well, it provides substance behind his McCarthy list on how to fix the problem.

12/13/2007 2:15:08 PM

George Mitchell for President

12/13/2007 2:23:47 PM

where do you get Tek from? I did a search on the pdf and no "varitek" appeared in there

12/13/2007 2:35:48 PM

Mitchell: "Numerous club officials are named in the report."

12/13/2007 2:37:25 PM

Quote :

"NO. Bret Boone and Damian Moss played for the Braves at one point. And Sheffield. And Paul Byrd And Wally Joiner"

Matt Franco's in the report as well. (Though, not on the list for some reason)

12/13/2007 2:53:25 PM

The report is dense and repeats itself many times. From what I've managed to wade through

confirmed

Clemens
Petitte
Tejada
Bonds


still working on it

12/13/2007 2:55:07 PM

For some players they have photocopies of checks written to the equipment manager that said he dealt the steroids. See pages 151 and 153 for example.

12/13/2007 2:57:58 PM

^There are a bunch more starting around page 200.

12/13/2007 2:58:08 PM

The words "Schilling" and "Varitek" do not appear in the report.

So a couple names on that early list aren't there.

12/13/2007 3:01:02 PM

^Pujols as well. David Justice is though

12/13/2007 3:05:07 PM

john rocker. . lol

david justice bought once

wow

denny neagle? lol

12/13/2007 3:05:31 PM

well this was pretty anti-climatic

12/13/2007 3:11:01 PM

^Seriously. Who's the former MVP we were promised? It better not be Caminiti or Bonds. So far the only interesting thing I have learned is that Clemens was on Roids as early as '97.

12/13/2007 3:15:38 PM

tejada

12/13/2007 3:16:18 PM

link to report http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/sports/mitchell-report-drugs-mlb.pdf

Twins that I found were Rondell White, Chuck Knoblauch, Denny Neagle, Chad Allen (who?), Daniel Naulty

you can just Control + F that whole PDF shit and find who you want to find

Quote :

"Who's the former MVP we were promised? It better not be Caminiti or Bonds."

Its either Caminiti or Bonds...or Canseco

12/13/2007 3:16:36 PM

^^Grimsley already ratted him out

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 3:18 PM. Reason : +]

12/13/2007 3:17:47 PM

former mvp's:

bonds
tejada
sosa
bagwell
giambi
caminiti
mo vaughn
canseco

12/13/2007 3:21:24 PM

so the real question is how does this affect hall of fame voting

mcgwire already got snubbed on his first ballot

will the same happen to clemens -- arguably one of the top three pitchers of all-time -- when he retires in 15 years?

i say fuck em all and let dale murphy and jime rice in

--

also, other than gagne is there anyone else who recently signed an overpriced free agent deal?

i bet the brewers front office is like FUCKING CARL FACE

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 3:26 PM. Reason : ]

12/13/2007 3:21:33 PM

^^No dirt on Bagwell or Sosa in the report. I forgot Mo Vaughn won a MVP. Everyone else we knew about already.

12/13/2007 3:26:17 PM

The Hall of Fame will have to show leniency and forgiveness. If they don't, they'll have about a 5-year spell with no one getting added.

12/13/2007 3:26:19 PM

fuck them then

let guys who should be in like jim rice, andre dawson and alan trammell get in over cheating fucks like clemens, bonds, etc

12/13/2007 3:28:44 PM

you forgot to say dale murphy

12/13/2007 3:30:03 PM

no i knowingly left him off


btw this is bs

15) Do you believe the report's conclusions are in any way compromised by Mitchell's role on the board of directors of the Red Sox?


65.5% No

34.5% Yes

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 3:32 PM. Reason : 34.5% of the people who voted are fucking retards]

12/13/2007 3:31:50 PM

Dear Astros,


Thanks!

Sincerely,

Baltimore Orioles

12/13/2007 3:32:14 PM

Quote :

"15) Do you believe the report's conclusions are in any way compromised by Mitchell's role on the board of directors of the Red Sox? 65.5% No 34.5% Yes [Edited on December 13, 2007 at 3:32 PM. Reason : 34.5% of the people who voted are fucking retards]"

In a related finding, 34.5% of MLB fans are Yankee fans.

12/13/2007 3:33:55 PM

Quote :

"i bet the brewers front office is like FUCKING CARL FACE"

they should have been that before this report. Gagne sucked ass for the sox last year.

12/13/2007 3:34:35 PM

Stephen A. Smith is giving a tirade saying everyone better give these players the same crap they gave Bonds. Especially Clemens as he was given accolades forever despite him getting older and yet better.

12/13/2007 3:39:39 PM

what a surprise

but these players didnt lie about it to a grand jury

12/13/2007 3:40:21 PM

damn i didnt know clemens was that good...top 3 of all time?!?

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 3:45 PM. Reason : .]

12/13/2007 3:45:45 PM

how many sc specials were made about clemens' off season training regimine though

B/C NOW WE KNOW THAT WAS THE FULL REASON

12/13/2007 3:45:54 PM

aha

12/13/2007 3:51:50 PM

Quote :

"they should have been that before this report. Gagne sucked ass for the sox last year."

my point was that i'm sure they were hoping he could return to form

not knowing that would require a heavy dose of steroids

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 3:53 PM. Reason : ]

12/13/2007 3:52:03 PM

Jason Grimsley is smiling somewhere alongside Jose Canseco.

Quote :

"so the real question is how does this affect hall of fame voting"

I think that a shitload of players who are/were HOF bound are going to be given the same kind of vindictiveness as Big Mac was earlier this year. Maybe, this will allow the nimrods to put in candidates like Goose Gossage and others like Buck O'Neil who should have gotten in years ago.

12/13/2007 3:52:56 PM

12/13/2007 3:53:53 PM

if i were bonds i would want all the rest of them to have an asterisk by their name also

12/13/2007 3:54:18 PM