mo vaughn may be the most over rated player in the history of contemporary baseball

12/13/2007 1:50:00 PM

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"Jeff Bagwell Barry Bonds Aaron Boone Rafael Bettancourt Bret Boone"

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

12/13/2007 1:50:38 PM

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"So besides confirming what everyone already knew--that clemens and bonds cheated"

I dont think anyone KNEW that Clemens cheated, his was supposed to be all that hard work he did in the offseason...

12/13/2007 1:51:55 PM

on a serious note. i thought this list was coming out at 2? or did i miss something, or did shit get leaked?

12/13/2007 1:52:54 PM

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"A high-ranking MLB official said there are several errors in the list provided to WNBC.com by two sources. Original sources are standing by the preliminary list provided to WNBC.com. Therefore, we working to clarify the list at this time."

12/13/2007 1:53:47 PM

^or from that, is this list not even correct?

12/13/2007 1:54:31 PM

http://www.wnbc.com/videostream/13298034/detail.html

streaming the report

12/13/2007 1:54:36 PM

^^^^^strongly suspected then

throwing in the 100s when you are 44? yeah, ok.

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 1:55 PM. Reason : e]

12/13/2007 1:55:07 PM

zumaya

12/13/2007 1:55:51 PM

I dont know if Clemens has hit 100 in a decade if not longer

12/13/2007 1:56:10 PM

looks like Bonds isnt the only one "finally getting his"........

12/13/2007 1:57:12 PM

the baseball bubble is bursting...

12/13/2007 1:59:19 PM

Lo Duca is on there. Wow, A LOT of names that weren't on the NBC report.

12/13/2007 2:00:42 PM

good, the only reason im interested in this is to see this league hit rock bottom.

12/13/2007 2:00:57 PM

10/10. but why is Barry Bonds on there. He says he didn't do steroids just recently.

12/13/2007 2:00:57 PM

shit's goin' down.

12/13/2007 2:00:59 PM

words.


to this report so far...

12/13/2007 2:03:59 PM

http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 2:06 PM. Reason : david justice on list]

12/13/2007 2:04:09 PM

What about it gforce?.....well.....we're waiting for another dumbass thread from you....

12/13/2007 2:07:33 PM

What page is the list on?

12/13/2007 2:07:57 PM

alright i cant handle this anymore. im playing a video game, this is ridiculously boring.

12/13/2007 2:08:11 PM

Any minute now he's gonna say

"My investigation names dozens of players, and I will read the full list for you.......after this commercial break."

12/13/2007 2:11:53 PM

where is the streaming broadcast?

12/13/2007 2:12:41 PM

http://www.mlb.com

12/13/2007 2:12:56 PM

Jesus christ, I could only listen to like 5 minutes of that.

Was he basically reading his entire report?

12/13/2007 2:18:26 PM

didnt see brady anderson in the report

12/13/2007 2:20:01 PM

wow, Clemens was a fiend for that shit

12/13/2007 2:25:06 PM

Mitchell really sucks the life out of an interesting story. Could the speech been anymore dry?

12/13/2007 2:25:43 PM

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"McNamee injected Clemens approximately four times in the buttocks over a several-week period with needles that Clemens provided."

12/13/2007 2:25:51 PM

WOW, the original list that was posted is missing a lot of players... some of these names shock me.

No Albert Pujols though - I'm not surprised, just relieved. I think he's a really classy player

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 2:29 PM. Reason : etc.]

12/13/2007 2:27:23 PM

I'm not surprised about Clemens...just surprised at how he seemingly abused the hell out of it.

12/13/2007 2:28:39 PM

I'm pretty surprised at what the report says about Barry Bonds...it really sounds like he didnt ever inject himself with anything and could have very well thought the "cream and the clear" were legitimate ways to deals with arthritis (pages 176-178)

it makes Bonds look like a saint compared to Clemens

12/13/2007 2:31:02 PM

umm, I just ran a search on the pdf and "Varitek" didn't show up anywhere...what am I missing?

12/13/2007 2:32:17 PM

That the NBC report could have been wrong.

12/13/2007 2:36:29 PM

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"Jose Canseco"

NNOooooooooooooo

who woulda thought it?

12/13/2007 2:37:29 PM

^^^^Yeah, I got the same impression skimming through it. There wasn't anything damning Bond's nearly as baddly as -

Quote :

"Later that summer, Clemens asked McNamee to inject him with Winstrol, which Clemens supplied. McNamee knew the substance was Winstrol because the vials Clemens gave him were so labeled. McNamee injected Clemens approximately four times in the buttocks over a several-week period with needles that Clemens provided. Each incident took place in Clemens’s apartment at the SkyDome. McNamee never asked Clemens where he obtained the steroids."

Of course, it could be they left a lot of the Bond's stuff out because he is currently in the middle of a federal indictment.

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 2:40 PM. Reason : :]

12/13/2007 2:39:37 PM

For a team of steroid users, the O's sure haven't been playing well...

so there goes the "performance enhancing" aspect

12/13/2007 2:48:00 PM

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"they left a lot of the Bond's stuff out because he is currently in the middle of a federal indictment"

ding ding ding

^Oh, it enhances. Enhances the shittiness.

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 2:51 PM. Reason : ]

12/13/2007 2:51:22 PM

Quote :

"Marvin Benard Barry Bonds Bobby Estalella Jason Giambi Jeremy Giambi Benito Santiago Gary Sheffield Randy Velarde Lenny Dysktra David Segui Larry Bigbie Brian Roberts Jack Cust Tim Laker Josias Manzanillo Todd Hundley Mark Carreon Hal Morris Matt Franco Rondell White Roger Clemens Andy Pettite Chuck Knoblauch Jason Grimsley Greg Zaun David Justice F.P. Santangello Glenallen Hill Mo Vaughn Denny Neagle Ron Villone Ryan Franklin Chris Donnels Todd Williams Phil Hiatt Todd Pratt Kevin Young Mike Lansing Cody Mckay Kent Mercker Andy Piatt Miguel Tejada Jason Christianson Mike Stanton Stephen Randolph Jerry Hairston Jr. Paul Lo Duca Adam Riggs Bart Miadich Chad Allen Fernando Vina Kevin Brown Eric Gagne Mike Bell Matt Herges Gary Bennett Jr. Jim Parque Brandon Donnelly Jeff Williams Howie Clark Nook Logan Daniel Naulty Rick Ankiel Paul Byrd Jay Gibbons Troy Glaus Jose Guillen Gary Matthews, Jr. Scott Schoeneweis Jose Canseco Jason Grimsley Darren Holmes John Rocker Ismael Valdez Matt Williams Steve Woodard David Bell"

Actual list, gleaned from the report.

12/13/2007 2:54:28 PM

The only think more naive than thinking there were no steroids in baseball is believing that this list is all-inclusive.

12/13/2007 2:59:48 PM

some of it is pretty shocking, we always get hung up on the massive home run hitters, it just shows that anyone can do it, isn't just the guys with size 13 heads.

12/13/2007 3:08:31 PM

jason grimsley juiced so much he's on your list twice

12/13/2007 3:08:40 PM

Pettite surprises me actually, but I could totally see it now with how he has gone downhill in a way.


there are alot of names I am surprised didnt make the list to be honest, some guys I thought for sure would be listed but arent.

Im really surprised David Wells isnt up there. out of all the pitchers I would have thought him and Rocker would be two dumb enough to do it.

12/13/2007 3:10:56 PM

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"For a team of steroid users, the O's sure haven't been playing well... so there goes the "performance enhancing" aspect "

i already made that joke.

12/13/2007 3:15:21 PM

Quote :

"John Rocker"

mystery solved

12/13/2007 3:22:07 PM

so thats why david justice beat halle berry

12/13/2007 3:22:34 PM

Haha... the Yankees won the 2000 World Series 4-1 over the Mets.

Game 1 starter: Pettitte (in mitchell report), Yankees win
Game 2 starter: Clemens (in mitchell report), Yankees win
Game 3 starter: El Duque, Mets win
Game 4 starter: Denny Neagle (in mitchell report), Yankees win
Game 5 starter: Pettitte (in mitchell report), Yankees win

[Edited on December 13, 2007 at 3:30 PM. Reason : V that was '99, b]

12/13/2007 3:28:22 PM

todd pratt, who hit the HR to get you guys there was in the report too

12/13/2007 3:29:22 PM

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"Im really surprised David Wells isnt up there. out of all the pitchers I would have thought him and Rocker would be two dumb enough to do it."

David Wells sticks to the booze. Everybody knows that.

12/13/2007 3:34:47 PM

^^my b

12/13/2007 3:36:22 PM