who are YOU PEOPLE to decide what must be my personal priorities? Oh yeah, socialists who want to control everything else like healthcare and cafeterias.

1/17/2008 11:18:53 AM

DrSteveAlias

you're the only one getting worked up about this...we're all rightfully so making fun of this stupid change by Pelosi...you however seem to really have your panties in a bunch about the Iraq War and seem to want to tie the Iraq War into any discussion about any topic, however unrelated...well there are plenty of threads about the Iraq War...if thats the only thing you want to talk about then take that shit to another thread...this thread has a pretty clear cut topic, which is Pelosi's food changes in Congress...everyone who doesn't have a hardon for Pelosi realizes that

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"why the fuck is this even noteworthy in light of other significant shit going on?"

why the fuck are you posting in this thread then?

1/17/2008 11:19:56 AM

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"who are YOU PEOPLE to decide what must be my personal priorities? Oh yeah, socialists who want to control everything else like healthcare and cafeterias."

Jesus tap-dancing Christ, calm the fuck down already. Judging your personal priorities to be absurd and imposing new ones upon you are two different things.

The only people I know who get more touchy about value judgments are hyper-PC liberals. Anything you'd care to tell us?

1/17/2008 1:07:08 PM

^ Only a Menucrat denies his true Menucrat nature.

1/17/2008 1:12:02 PM

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"you're the only one getting worked up about this...we're all rightfully so making fun of this stupid change by Pelosi...you however seem to really have your panties in a bunch about the Iraq War and seem to want to tie the Iraq War into any discussion about any topic, however unrelated..."

Uh, you made a thread about it. Obviously, it's your panties which are in a knot.

Meanwhile, you may have noticed I brought up other noteworthy issues of significance, If you could read, that is. How the fuck did you get into college?

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""why the fuck is this even noteworthy in light of other significant shit going on?" why the fuck are you posting in this thread then?"

Is my question really that hard to answer? Do I need to dumb it down for you a shade?

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 1:13 PM. Reason : Really? Do I?]

1/17/2008 1:13:22 PM

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"Uh, you made a thread about it. Obviously, it's your panties which are in a knot."

Uh, no I didn't make a thread about it...can you read? how the fuck did you get into college?

1/17/2008 1:34:21 PM

Yeah, mea culpa on that count - I tend to confuse your brand of idiocy with Hooksaw's.

Meanwhile, you still haven't managed to answer my question.

1/17/2008 1:50:12 PM

nice...i call you out for being 100% wrong on your quote, and your response is to call ME an idiot and give me the rolly eyes, in response to YOU being completely wrong

no wonder you're too fucking stupid to know who you people are..."Doctor" huh...you might want to make your next alias "RetardedSteveChaos"

Have fun getting your panties in even more of a twist as you try to seek some type of reason as to why TWW would dare discuss such an insignificant story like this

1/17/2008 1:55:34 PM

Christ on a cracker, some people are actually too stupid to live. You are probably one of them.

1/17/2008 1:58:15 PM

at least i don't struggle over simple things, like who said what on a messageboard, when the poster's name is right beside the post

but again, call somebody else stupid instead of accepting that you yourself are literally a retard

"Doctor" lol Dr. Idiot

1/17/2008 1:59:41 PM

Don't forget to breathe, moron.

1/17/2008 2:00:14 PM

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"Don't forget to breathe, moron."

stfu hooksaw, why dont you forget to breathe

OH WAIT HOOKSAW DIDNT SAY THAT, I FUCKED UP, LET ME BLAME SOMEBODY ELSE FOR MY OWN FUCKUP LIKE THE GOOD DOCTOR

1/17/2008 2:00:48 PM

Typical Democrat/Left Wing responses.

I can't think of any logical argument and so I will resort to ad hominem attacks and see how many people I can get to jump on board.

1/17/2008 2:02:07 PM

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"why the fuck is this even noteworthy in light of other significant shit going on"

the answer is in the question...its not that she made this a priority, its the timing of worrying about something that we all agree is not important while there are so many other pressing issues that really need attention.

it's like she just wanted to change something, and since it was clear that they're to damn inept to actually pose a meaningful challenge to the white house on serious issues, she decided to focus on cafeteria food.....well done, you left your mark pelosi.

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 2:06 PM. Reason : .]

1/17/2008 2:05:51 PM

^^Well then, good thing I'm not a Democrat or a liberal.

And, good thing conservatives never, ever do the same thing.

Oh, and good thing that the debate was whether or not the Liberal Lunch Tyranny was a good thing, and not whether this was a matter of tremendously stupid priorities to get all worked up over.

Phew - I think we dodged a bullet there, didn't we?

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 2:07 PM. Reason : ^^]

1/17/2008 2:06:43 PM

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"it's like she just wanted to change something, and since it was clear that they're to damn inept to actually pose a meaningful challenge to the white house on serious issues, she decided to focus on cafeteria food.....well done, you left your mark pelosi."

See now, this is at least a defensible response. And I agree with you, actually. This incident, as I pointed out above, is remarkably reflective of Pelosi's (non)-priorities.

1/17/2008 2:09:26 PM

^he already gave that same response on page 1, btw...i figured most of us saw it


[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 2:10 PM. Reason : not trying to be a dick (to anyone but pelosi)]

1/17/2008 2:10:10 PM

Okay, I admit it - I walked in late and skimmed, and what I saw was complaining about left-wing lunch tyranny. Which is a stupid thing to get one's panties in a wad over.

However, on the balance, Pelosi's priorities are still dumber.

There, now everyone can agree and we can live in peace, love, and sunshine.

1/17/2008 2:12:39 PM

well plenty of threads in TSB arent necessarily regarding the most important issues in the world, but often just taking jabs at whatever opposite party, ie "pelosi pushes gourment menu" or "republican senator gets gay in bathroom"

neither have the significance of a war or 9/11 or something but they're all worth discussing to some length in tsb

they're also all just asking for trouble, but thats politics in general

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 2:15 PM. Reason : hence why i never talk politics on a first date]

1/17/2008 2:15:17 PM

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"Having failed to create their Utopian nanny state, the Democrat leadership in Congress has turned to exerting their influence over the menu in the House cafeteria. In addition, in typical style, the forced changes cost more--and may benefit at least one Democrat supporter. The Democrats in Congress: Our agenda has been a dismal failure, but we are 'saving the planet'--one compostable straw at a time. "

hooksaw

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[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 2:17 PM. Reason : .]

1/17/2008 2:16:34 PM

^^ I more just get the feeling in the back of my head that a demagogue like Rush Limbaugh (or whoever) would trump this into, say, an "actual issue." Dwarfing any failures in the party he's cheering for.

So you'll have to forgive me if my automatic response is somewhat based upon this - using trivial shit to provoke a greater outrage than say, actually significant shit going on.

Note that I'm not accusing you of doing this - I'm more pointing out where I'm coming from.

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 2:18 PM. Reason : ^^]

1/17/2008 2:18:02 PM

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"using trivial shit to provoke a greater outrage than say, actually significant shit going on"

welcome to TSB!

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 2:19 PM. Reason : and modern media spin in politics in general]

1/17/2008 2:19:01 PM

1/17/2008 2:30:55 PM

^^^ FYI: This was reported yesterday on WRAL news. For whatever reason, it is not on WRAL.com today.

In any event, the House CAO issued a press release about this issue and The New York Times obviously thought the story to be newsworthy, among others.

http://cao.house.gov/press/cao-20071113.shtml

More House Salads, Whether the House Likes It or Not

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"The changes, instituted last month, would barely rate a mention in, say, Berkeley, Calif. But to some people here they represent an elitist misuse of public funds, and possibly a bit of anti-industry propaganda. In newspaper articles and on blogs, the menu has been mocked for including sushi and brie, foods critics seem to regard as pretentious esoterica. Questions have been raised over whether the decision to stock a particular brand of organic yogurt was motivated by political donations. Writers have griped about allowing Ms. Pelosi to decide what they should eat. And some have expressed outrage at the notion that tax money is paying for all this frippery."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/16/dining/16capi.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=dining

Maybe you and some others prefer "sushi and brie" and "couscous and tofu" for lunch but a lot of people don't. And they certainly don't want their food choices made for them at an increased price.

The Menucrats: We're all for choice--unless you happen to disagree with ours.

The Menucrats: Making your food decisions for you--because you're too stupid to decide for yourself. And we haven't been accomplishing anything anyway, so. . . .

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 2:48 PM. Reason : .]

1/17/2008 2:47:22 PM

Of all the problems within this country is the only thing you really have to bitch about is the fucking menu at the congressional cafeteria. suck my nuts douche

1/17/2008 2:48:35 PM

But would they also be bitching if she made the cafeteria the cheapest and unhealthiest shit available? Yes, and probably moreso. This is a non-issue made by the same people that file sexual harassment suits when you smile at them.

1/17/2008 2:50:25 PM

^^

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"Typical Democrat/Left Wing responses. I can't think of any logical argument and so I will resort to ad hominem attacks and see how many people I can get to jump on board."

^ QED.

1/17/2008 2:57:28 PM

at least its not McFat or Burger Heart Attack King

1/17/2008 3:11:28 PM

^

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"Typical Democrat/Left Wing responses. I can't think of any logical argument and so I will resort to ad hominem attacks and see how many people I can get to jump on board."

1/17/2008 3:23:45 PM

so the US Congress just modernized their cafeteria...

...so that it would be comparable with every other moderately-sized or larger workplace in the country.

...so what?

Good lord, hooksaw, how exactly does this get your panties in a bunch?

Do you even have any experience working anywhere that has an employee cafeteria? I mean BESIDES the NC Dept. of Corrections and/or Fountain DIning Hall?



fuckin'

1/17/2008 3:50:31 PM

all that wine and cheese she must be a tarheels fan

so tell me JoeSchmoe...do all other moderately sized workplaces offer "A fruit and cheese side dish with two small wedges of brie and cheddar, six grapes, two saltines and one strawberry cost $4.95"

- 2 pieces of cheese
- 2 crackers
- 6 grapes
- 1 strawberry

5 dollars

1/17/2008 4:46:29 PM

^^ Ask Pelosi. The "Green the Capitol" initiative is hers--in lieu of any significant accomplishments.

http://speaker.gov/newsroom/reports?id=0019

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"The processed cheese has been replaced with brie. The Jell-O has made way for raspberry kiwi tarts and mini-lemon blueberry trifles. Meatloaf has moved over for mahi mahi and buns have been shunted aside in favor of baguettes."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7888.html

Let's see: baguettes, brie, couscous, sushi, tarts, tofu, trifles, and "Green[ing] the Capitol"--sounds like liberal heaven to me. And with your Left Coast sensibilities, schmoe, I'm not surprised that doesn't register with you. If nothing else, it's a microcosm of what the Menucrats would like to force on us all.

And regardless of where you come down on this issue, can we agree to retire the "sand in the vagina" and "panties in a bunch" trinkets? They're just stupid.

1/17/2008 4:49:38 PM

i guess if it were a TRUE american cafeteria the menu would consist of

-Fried Chicken
- 1/2 lb thickburgers
- French Fries
- Cornbread
- Onion Rings
- Mashed Potatos

Leave it to the reactionary neo-con TWW pundits to turn cafeteria food into a fucking partisan issue.

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 4:55 PM. Reason : a]

1/17/2008 4:54:36 PM

^ You eat this:

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"baguettes, brie, couscous, sushi, tarts, tofu, trifles"

1/17/2008 4:56:47 PM

what the fuck is wrong with mashed potatoes? you some kinda queer or somethin?

1/17/2008 4:57:29 PM

It just strikes me as the democratic house trying not to do anything potentially offensive before the election in November.

1/17/2008 4:58:56 PM

Couscous and tofu FTW.

1/17/2008 5:04:08 PM

^ Not surprising.

1/17/2008 5:11:14 PM

What can I say?

I'm a fan.

No fan of brie, though.

1/17/2008 5:15:00 PM

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"I can't think of any logical argument and so I will resort to ad hominem attacks and see how many people I can get to jump on board."

menu change=socialism is logical?

1/17/2008 5:15:41 PM

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"sushi,"

I eat this.

btw is the rest of that crap you listed going to be the only food served or is this an addition for menu diversity. If the former I would be pretty pissy if I relied on that place for lunch but either way it is absurd you try to tie this into your liberal conspiracy thesis. Cry about congress trying to make the menu more healthy if you want to but hopefully their's shit to eat other then baugette's either way take your ass off capital hill and go to McD's if you want a cheeseburger.

no one is forcing the congreemen to eat the garbage you listed (not counting sushi) so their is no way to label this as the expanding "nanny-state." Hell, call in delivery.

George Bush telling me I can not play online poker for money as enacted into law in 2006 is a good example of the gov't being a

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"nanny state"

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 5:34 PM. Reason : a]

1/17/2008 5:30:21 PM

Form the Times article:

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"Hot dogs, French fries and onion rings have not been banished"

1/17/2008 5:35:44 PM

^

there ya go hooksaw. you can still get your McFatty food. who the fuck cares of pelosi eats her hippy food. maybe you just need a move diverse pallet and appreciation for other food.

1/17/2008 5:37:10 PM

i think you might be missing the point that ties this into socialism/nanny state

the premise is, the government thinks you, me, and everyone else (except for them of course) are too damn stupid to think for themselves...we obviously cant responsibly choose what we eat, so they tell us what we should eat...you shouldnt eat trans fats, so lets ban them...after all you're too dumb to make that choice on your own, don't worry though, we'll tell you everything you should do

1/17/2008 5:44:08 PM

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"The Menucrats: We're all for choice--unless you happen to disagree with ours. The Menucrats: Making your food decisions for you--because you're too stupid to decide for yourself. And we haven't been accomplishing anything anyway, so. . . ."

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"If nothing else, it's a microcosm of what the Menucrats would like to force on us all."

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 5:46 PM. Reason : .]

1/17/2008 5:46:11 PM

i can understand the trans-fat argument. As you can make the same foods w/o using trans-fats. Like how there is regulations that your ground beef can not be say 10% dog. Trans-fat oils were a way to increase a businesses bottom line at the expense of the consumer's health. Unfortunately, a lot of people are not aware of difference.

From my take on the argument though it does not sound like they are eliminating necessarily the diversity of foods that many enjoy. Merely adding some new "healthful" alternatives.

1/17/2008 5:48:29 PM

did you see what i posted earlier though?

you got 2 crackers, 2 pieces of cheese, 6 grapes and a strawberry for FIVE DOLLARS

thats extortion

1/17/2008 5:49:53 PM

no, it's not

1/17/2008 5:55:06 PM

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"Trans-fat oils were a way to increase a businesses bottom line at the expense of the consumer's health. Unfortunately, a lot of people are not aware of difference."

Dude... do you actually know what you're talking about?

Partially hydrogenated ("trans"-fats) oils were substituted as an alternative to saturated fat. They were used to eliminate saturated fats which are prevalent in baked goods (think: cookies, donuts, etc) due to the big hubub over that. People wanted the texture of saturated fats - like those found in lard, butter, etc. - without the actual saturated fats, because everyone was panicking about saturated fats. Enter: trans-fats, which had a long shelf-life and could deliver rough the same consistency as saturated fats for baking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fats#Presence_in_food

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"Animal-based fats were once the only trans fats consumed, but by far the largest amount of trans fat consumed today is created by the processed food industry as a side-effect of partially hydrogenating unsaturated plant fats (generally vegetable oils). These partially hydrogenated fats have displaced natural solid fats and liquid oils in many areas, notably in the fast food, snack food, fried food and baked good industries. Partially hydrogenated oils have been used in food for many reasons. Partial hydrogenation increases product shelf life and decreases refrigeration requirements. Because baking often requires semi-solid fats to suspend solids at room temperature, partially hydrogenated oils can replace the animal fats traditionally used by bakers (such as butter and lard). They are also an inexpensive alternative to other semi-solid oils such as palm oil. Because partially hydrogenated plant oils can replace animal fats, the resulting products can be consumed (barring other ingredient and preparation violations) by adherents to Kashrut (kosher) and Halal, as well as by adherents to vegetarianism in Buddhism, ahimsa in Jainism and Hinduism, veganism, and other forms of vegetarianism."

In other words, it was a response to consumer demand: consumers wanted the same consistency and texture in their foods without the saturated fats. Food companies delivered. This was not just for CEO Snidely Whiplash's bottom line.

Now we realize that we're fucked, because the substitute product is worse, and everyone is panicking about trans-fats. We can all see where this one is going.

[Edited on January 17, 2008 at 6:02 PM. Reason : .]

1/17/2008 5:59:45 PM

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"baguettes, brie, couscous, sushi, tarts, tofu, trifles"

are all delicious and mainstream (I already said the tarts and trifles were a bit much, though)

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"- 2 pieces of cheese - 2 crackers - 6 grapes - 1 strawberry 5 dollars"

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"you got 2 crackers, 2 pieces of cheese, 6 grapes and a strawberry for FIVE DOLLARS"

wow, I can't believe you repeated yourself when you obviously have no idea what you're talking about

4.95 is a very reasonable and normal price for the plate described

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"frippery"

is what this thread is full of


(set 'em up)

1/18/2008 4:39:50 AM