Since 1998

ACC - 3 National Championships (Duke 01, Maryland 02, UNC 05), 2 Runner-ups (Duke 99, Georgia Tech 04) 9 Final Fours (UNC 98, Duke 99, UNC 00, Duke 01, Maryland 01, Maryland 02, Duke 04, Georgia Tech 04, UNC 05)


Pac 10 - 2 Runner-ups (Arizona 01, UCLA 06), 4 Final Fours (Stanford 98, Arizona 01, UCLA 06, UCLA 07)

[Edited on March 2, 2008 at 10:50 PM. Reason : haha wtf was with my brain just now]

3/2/2008 10:43:38 PM

I honestly don't see how, unless you're being an INCREDIBLE homer, you can think the Pac-10 isn't stronger than the ACC this year... The only reason the RPI isn't as high is because of ONE terrible team...

Pac-10 is the best conference this year. Personally, I think the Big East and the ACC are pretty equal this year... though the Big East has a much better Top 6.

[Edited on March 2, 2008 at 10:48 PM. Reason : x]

3/2/2008 10:46:40 PM

The only reason I would say the ACC is stronger is because of Oregon State. They both have 2 very good teams at the top, then a couple pretty good teams, but around 5-6-7 the Pac-10 gets better than the ACC. The ACC does have the last couple teams better than the worst team in the Pac-10 though, so I get how the Pac-10 could be considered better, and I also get why the RPI says the ACC is better. Looks like we just need a ACC/Pac-10 Challenge.

[Edited on March 2, 2008 at 11:02 PM. Reason : 4th edit...]

3/2/2008 10:49:00 PM

i don't know what just happened. i think i need to go to bed soon. i'm guess i'm just now mentally paying for staying out all night Friday night.

3/2/2008 10:53:46 PM

^^ let one of there schools come into the acc and see what happens
I'd laugh at there new record

3/3/2008 5:08:43 AM

Big East basketball is to the ACC what SEC football is to Ohio State in the NC game.

3/22/2008 3:30:54 PM

Quote :

"Big East basketball is to the ACC what the SEC football is to Ohio State in the NC game."

let's not forget basketball last year.

3/22/2008 3:44:37 PM

Prior to the start of the tournament the ACC was 12-7 against Big East teams this year. So don't bring that Big East owns the ACC shit in here.

3/23/2008 9:38:49 AM

Sorry man, not buying it. Exactly 3 of those 12 wins came against the Top 10 teams in the conference. In any case, the best conference from top to bottom showed itself last night. The Pac-10 beat 2 mid-tier Big East teams. It's not slight to the ACC. It's consistently the top conference, but not this year... just the way it is.

I hope there is a big upset today with Davidson beating G'Town though...

[Edited on March 23, 2008 at 10:27 AM. Reason : x]

3/23/2008 10:26:34 AM

The #2 Pac 10 team struggled to beat the #6 Big East team in overtime in a pro-Stanford crowd. That same Big East team was beat by a Duke team that was in control for most of that game.

The thing that needs to happen is for the Big East to go down to a 12 team conference and the ACC and Big East begin playing a ACC/Big East Challenge. That would settle it. And frankly I would enjoy it more b/c owning the Big Ten each year is getting boring.

[Edited on March 23, 2008 at 10:46 AM. Reason : ]

3/23/2008 10:44:27 AM

it's been a while since I've seen 100,000 at an acc game

3/23/2008 10:47:11 AM

^ dude this is a comparison of ACC Basketball to SEC Football in terms of the excitement and competitiveness in most of the conference games, how both get the best athletes, have great home atmospheres, have the best tradition and heritage. I don't know what you are trying to say with that comment.

3/23/2008 10:56:21 AM

If I read it correctly, I think he is trying to say he hasn't seen 100,000 at an ACC football game.

3/23/2008 11:12:29 AM

yeah but how does that relate to the discussion is what I was trying to point out. that would be like saying oh well I've never seen 100,000 at a Big East football game in a discussion of similarities between Big Ten football and Big East basketball. the only one that I can think of is that both have a very physical style of play.

3/23/2008 11:15:54 AM

^ It was sarcasm.

I think opinions can be skewed a little on this topic because most everyone on this board has lived or lives close to the triangle. If you are talking about excitement and competitiveness, the best athletes, best atmospheres, best tradition...this is the best place in the country. I've been to more schools than I can count around the country and this place cares more about basketball than any other place I've seen. There's nothing even close. I bring that up because with the exception of Maryland and maybe Georgia Tech, nobody in the ACC really cares about college basketball all that much. In fact, take the North Carolina schools out of the ACC and you have a bunch of football schools. I've lived in two ACC cities and nobody really cared about basketball unless the team made the tournament.
Compare that to SEC football with LSU, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Florida, and even Ole Miss who have won multiple national titles and have all those things mentioned above. South Carolina and Arkansas are huge football schools too.
If we're comparing ACC basketball to SEC football, there are ACC schools who definately have all the things that SEC football has and then some...but if we are comparing the conferences as a whole, it's SEC football and there isn't an equal.

3/23/2008 11:20:13 AM

Well yeah college football in general creates more die hard fans. I think it's just the reality of that. It lends itself to being more than just the game, it becomes an event. The entire gameday is a focus on football. You wake up, watch College Gameday (unless you have a noon game ) while getting dressed. Load up the car and put the flags on the windows. Go to the store and get some food to fix, unless you already have it, and some brew. Then spend a few hours mingling, cooking, and getting drunk. Then you spend a few hours in the stands (sometimes still getting drunk if you've snuck in airplane bottles). Then you leave and go to a party and talk about the game.

With college basketball everyone just goes to the game for 2 hours and it's over. I think a lot of the SEC schools benefit from being in states where there aren't any pro teams or at least a strong history of pro teams. Think about the state of Alabama and how Bryant Denny Stadium and Jordan-Hare Stadium become the 5th and 6th largest "cities" in the state on gameday. Then you look at the Northeast and their college football stadiums are generally pathetic.

3/23/2008 11:39:24 AM

SoCon basketball >>>> ACC + Big East basketball?

3/23/2008 4:13:48 PM

^^ I doubt anyone would argue with that

3/23/2008 4:27:31 PM