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"so id like to see youre reasoning behind why a golfer can be a dominant athlete but a wrestler cant."

Perhaps the fact that people all over the world know Tiger on a first name basis and nobody knows Sanderson at all? Just maybe that is the reason.

1/29/2008 1:03:21 AM

dominant has nothing to do with widespread public awareness

1/29/2008 4:12:29 AM

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"But the fact of the matter is this...the best athletes in the US don't wrestle (unless they do during football's off season). If they did, then I would give this wrestler guy more credit. But if you are a great athlete, and you have incredible speed, reflexes, and strength, then you will play football (or baseball, basketball, etc) in college and get paid to do it as a pro. If you can't cut it at that level, then you will wrestle."

you are out of your mind. first and foremost, you have absolutely no idea what it takes to be a dominant wrestler. your statements are ignorant at best. what a person must be able to do to perform at the top of wrestling is the very definition of athleticism. no, i'm not discrediting other sports, not in the least. many others have fantastic athletes. my point is that wrestling does too, and no, i'm not talking about your WWF bull crap. for the purpose of who is the most dominant athlete, i agree with Cael Sanderson because i know what kind of athlete it takes to be at the top of wrestling, and his numbers prove his standing.

and this

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"dominant has nothing to do with widespread public awareness"

is true; buie i could smack you in the head for saying that popularity is an indicator of dominance

[Edited on January 29, 2008 at 5:20 AM. Reason : ]

1/29/2008 5:18:35 AM

anybody that doesn't or hasn't wrestled competitively agree with this ^ just curious

I know this isn't the norm but it might give some merit to what fattony was saying. At my high school, there was not one good "athlete" on the wrestling team while the football and basketball teams were littered with the strongest, fastest, highest dexterity and quickest students.

P.S. you're an idiot if you don't think money will draw the best athletes

Not sure if this has anything to do with a particular level of dominance except that we could assume the wrasslin competition is weaker than money sports

1/29/2008 5:29:12 AM

it's wrestling, not wrassling. did you even compete in any sports?

1/29/2008 9:28:25 AM

GET THIS SHIT OUT OF HERE

1/29/2008 9:42:04 AM

learn the difference between "athlete" and "player of the sports i like that make money".

the all caps make you look more ignorant.

[Edited on January 29, 2008 at 10:06 AM. Reason : ]

1/29/2008 10:05:28 AM

why, yes I did. but that is irrelevant

1/29/2008 10:10:13 AM

the minute you said Bill Goldberg i knew you didn't have a clue.

1/29/2008 10:26:16 AM

ummm, not sure who said anything about bill Goldberg and I'm not going to go look because I'm lazy.

You are reminding me of those cheerleaders or marching band nerds that say "cheerleading is a sport!" "marching band is just as hard as football"

for the record: I wrestled. Granted, it was for one year. It doesn't mean I have to pretend that simple statistics doesn't exist.

Less people attempt to wrestle, therefore the pool of talent is going to be smaller. The pool to draw talent from for football is much larger, better selection is inevitable. It's simple fucking math. This clearly isn't a knock on your homo-erotic sport.

Tiger wins 3 this year.

Go back to Iowa.

[Edited on January 29, 2008 at 10:51 AM. Reason : trying to bring this thread back after I helped fuck it up]

1/29/2008 10:49:15 AM

It's all relative to who you're competing against. Being a great in a sport that does not attract the best athletes isn't the same as dominating a sport that does. I'm not saying there aren't athletes in wrestling or that this Sanderson guy wasn't a great athlete. I'm just saying the best of the best don't wrestling. They play football.

What is wrong with you guys that you can't understand this simple concept. It's all about incentive. People go where the money is.

I think we can all agree on this: If this Sanderson guy was a little faster, or a little stronger, or a little bigger he would have played football and made a good living at it.

1/29/2008 10:52:52 AM

^I don't think you can make that assumption

Though i agree that dominating wrestling is less impressive for those very same reasons. We can't actually say Sanderson himself isn't a better athlete than other athletes or that he couldn't succeed in the nfl, nba, mlb right now.



[Edited on January 29, 2008 at 10:57 AM. Reason : a]

1/29/2008 10:56:35 AM

cael was an all state and all region football player in HS. He chose wrestling because he got a full ride to his dream wrestling college under the premier collegiate wrestling coach and had hopes of competing in the Olympics (which he did and one Gold)...something you cant do in football.

is everything about money?

i think people just dont have much of a perspective of big time wrestling in the south. its a bad region for wrestling. Iowa State pulls as many fans for big wrestling meets as we here at NC State average for attendance usually for men's basketball games. (theyve sold out their 14,000 seat arena many times for big matches and if i recall we average around 14,000 attendance, i could be wrong on that last number tho)

and that is saying something considering we are usually top ~15-20 in attendance in Basketball

[Edited on January 29, 2008 at 12:47 PM. Reason : ]

1/29/2008 12:35:42 PM

Being all state in high school and then winning gold doesn't do anything to disprove what we're saying. It is a great story but it doesn't really say anything.

But that's why I said he could make that assumption. It's feasible that the best "athlete' could be a wrestler....not likely.

Yes, in America it is generally about money.

1/29/2008 12:50:15 PM

alright.... do we need to make another thread so that we can discuss TW's quest for the grand slam this year since this one has been hijacked Mohammed Atta style?

1/29/2008 12:53:05 PM

that's not a bad idea

1/29/2008 1:13:32 PM

I really hope he does win the grand slam. Regardless of whether or not he is the most dominant athlete in any sport, he is probably the most dominant golfer we will ever see. He has revolutionized the game and is almost single-handedly responsible for the popularity of golf today. I hope a grand slam quest will give a resurgence to the slipping ratings in golf the last couple of years.

1/29/2008 1:18:50 PM

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"ummm, not sure who said anything about bill Goldberg and I'm not going to go look because I'm lazy. You are reminding me of those cheerleaders or marching band nerds that say "cheerleading is a sport!" "marching band is just as hard as football" for the record: I wrestled. Granted, it was for one year. It doesn't mean I have to pretend that simple statistics doesn't exist. Less people attempt to wrestle, therefore the pool of talent is going to be smaller. The pool to draw talent from for football is much larger, better selection is inevitable. It's simple fucking math. This clearly isn't a knock on your homo-erotic sport. Tiger wins 3 this year. Go back to Iowa."

mistook you for one of the other idiots in this thread.
homo-erotic sport? insecure just a little bit?
wrestling is a sport. and there is no question about that. you wrestled one year? you don't have a clue. try starting on a state championship team. i played other sports. football was the sport i played for fun; wrestling took everything i had. i was a captain on both teams by the way. i also ran track. nothing touched the athletic shape i had to be in to compete in wrestling. popularity doesn't make one sport better than another, or have better athletes than another. it may have more quantity-wise, but it in no way means that any sport will always have the absolute best athletes because of the sport itself. saying that wrestlers aren't as good of athletes as football players, basketball players, etc.. that is ignorant at best. give credit where it's due.

1/29/2008 1:45:53 PM

^Stop. This isn't at all what this thread is about...I was on a winning golf state championship team in high school so I could argue my side on how golf took everything I had in preparation and commitment and how I played other sports for "fun" but that is not the issue.

Wrestling is a sport, it involves a high quality athletes, Tiger Woods plays golf, he is also an athlete, he is the best golfer, but will he win the Grand Slam?

[Edited on January 29, 2008 at 2:10 PM. Reason : *]

1/29/2008 2:01:47 PM

i agree with you on all counts. honestly while i was gone doing things i thought about this whole deal and decided to leave it alone anyways.

i have to be honest from what i've seen of Tiger in recent years i'd say no. to those who've been following closely, has he really shown that much promise in the last few months?


btw, i apologize for any of the name calling, i was frustrated, that's my bad.

[Edited on January 29, 2008 at 3:31 PM. Reason : ]

1/29/2008 3:30:50 PM

The possibility of Tiger completing the greatest feat in golf = Wrestling debate

I knew TWW could turn some shit around, but damn....

[Edited on January 30, 2008 at 9:13 AM. Reason : .]

1/30/2008 9:12:34 AM

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"Will he lose a tournament this year?"

2/23/2008 5:53:30 PM

more than likely

2/23/2008 6:53:49 PM

ha, he already lost one

way to follow golf

2/24/2008 4:14:35 PM

Remind us which one he lost

[Edited on February 24, 2008 at 4:19 PM. Reason : because for the life of me I cannot recall]

2/24/2008 4:18:25 PM

I am interested too...pretty sure he is about to be 3/3 in the world this year after a couple more holes.

2/24/2008 4:22:20 PM

8/9 worldwide

not PGA specific

2/24/2008 4:22:33 PM

This year, as in 2008

He hasn't played close to nine times yet

[Edited on February 24, 2008 at 4:23 PM. Reason : x]

2/24/2008 4:23:12 PM

He's officially played the Buick, Dubai and the WGC... he's won all 3.

I can't remember if he won his little charity tournament (I'm guessing no) but that doesn't count at all...

[Edited on February 24, 2008 at 4:25 PM. Reason : plus I'm nearly certain it was in Dec '07]

2/24/2008 4:24:08 PM

The Target one, his charity one, was in December

and I'm pretty sure he won it anyway

2/24/2008 4:24:54 PM

Yeh the charity tourney was in December and he won it...

That was the same tourney Sabbatini left early wasn't it?

2/24/2008 4:26:13 PM

im just quoting what they said on TV haha

they said 8/9 won this year

2/24/2008 4:26:22 PM

Think that was 8 of his last 9 with the 9th being the tie for 2nd at Boston

2/24/2008 4:27:55 PM

If they count each of his match play rounds as 1, then thats 6 this week so 8 total for the year

Not sure where they get the loss from though

[Edited on February 24, 2008 at 4:28 PM. Reason : ^oh well that makes more sense]

2/24/2008 4:28:14 PM

well there ya go

i just say what i hear

so in fact, i was sorta right but kinda wrong

i'll take it as a tie

this makes me wish my clubs werent an hour away

2/24/2008 4:28:51 PM

Yeh wish I could get out and play...but so much work to procrastinate from as it is...

2/24/2008 4:29:54 PM

Quote :

"im just quoting what they said on TV haha they said 8/9 won this year"

Nope, they didn't.

2/24/2008 4:50:07 PM

Quote :

"You can't say the same for wrestling. B/c no matter what you say happened in your HS, the best athletes gravitate toward the major sports. We'll never know how good a wrestler that Bo Jackson, Ronnie Lott, or Jim Brown would have been. But I bet if wrestling was the only sport out there, they would have whipped your boy's butt."

Haha this is the dumbest thing I've read in a while.

2/24/2008 4:52:37 PM

[Edited on February 24, 2008 at 6:26 PM. Reason : ]

2/24/2008 6:25:49 PM

8 & 7, that was the score in the final..

What if Woods wins all the PGA tournaments he plays in this year ?

2/24/2008 6:37:25 PM

Impossible.

2/24/2008 11:25:22 PM

^ Improbable yes...Impossible no...

2/24/2008 11:32:25 PM

Nope, it is impossible. And nobody has ever come close to doing it. It will never happen.

2/24/2008 11:38:29 PM

Quit speaking in definite terms

Nobody knows

Especially not some rookie ass mark from Burlington with 30 posts

2/24/2008 11:53:03 PM

Its kind of annoying that people are talking about him winning the grand slam this earlier. Yes I know he has won all 4 tourneys this year that he has played in I think, and is having a fantastic year, but grand slam talk doesn't start till the first major is won, which he has yet to do. There is a big difference in winning regular season events, and winning a major. This talk shouldn't really even start unless he wins The Masters.

2/28/2008 4:19:56 PM

8 strokes down.. Vijay is done for the day, Tiger through 4.

3/14/2008 2:02:01 PM

3/16/2008 4:53:13 PM

ridiculous



[Edited on March 16, 2008 at 7:20 PM. Reason : .]

3/16/2008 7:19:25 PM

Quote :

"but grand slam talk doesn't start till the first major is won, which he has yet to do."

to be fair ... you do understand why that statement is a bit ... well silly ? in respect to Woods atleast

3/16/2008 7:58:22 PM

Right now, it doesn't look like he will lose. He didn't even play great this weekend...thats the scary thing. He played pretty good for 2 days, but not great, after 2 wtf rounds, and won the golf tournament. Amazing.

3/16/2008 9:56:05 PM