what did u major in philosophy?

$12 is like 24K a year

1/28/2008 4:40:07 PM

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"i can get $9/hr lifeguarding." I'm sure that's true. At the same time, many folks make significantly less."

I'll never understand how people can be so skill less / lazy. Even with basic skills / motivation you should be able to make $9/hr

1/28/2008 4:44:46 PM

I just want to say Soylent Green is a great movie

1/28/2008 4:50:50 PM

i miss lifeguarding; smoke up then get on the stand to get a tan, look at MILFs, and flirt with 17 yr old highschool hotties

1/28/2008 4:51:08 PM

seriously if you graduate from this school and you have any motivation you should be able to pull in 24k/year

1/28/2008 4:52:35 PM

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"lots of variables, people will agree/disagree, no easily identifiable conclusive evidence, etc"

mhum..... or just evidence that people choose to ignore

1/28/2008 4:54:11 PM

Is there even an underlying point in this thread?

1/28/2008 5:03:25 PM

A poor elderly man cannot afford to pay his electric bill. The power company cuts off his power and he freezes to death. Who in this story has done something immoral?

1/28/2008 5:06:04 PM

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"Actually I work in tech and have seen some dorky looking guys w/ some very attractive wives. I am sure those women are with the guys solely for their high IQ not the bmw parked outside. $12/hr blows ; i can get $9/hr lifeguarding."

its a combination of both. Status and future security.

1/28/2008 5:06:29 PM

^ yep.

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"A poor elderly man cannot afford to pay his electric bill. The power company cuts off his power and he freezes to death. Who in this story has done something immoral?"

depends did he pay social security as a tax paying american was he a vet?

1/28/2008 5:10:24 PM

I have a BMW and solid salary and am moderately attractive (in comparison).

I don't currently have a gorgeous, gold digging girlfriend.

Theory destroyed.

1/28/2008 5:17:16 PM

^because you don't fall in that category. You actually have a head on your shoulders and have had plenty of attractive gf's in the past. I wouldn't file you under 'typical tech industry' guy....point being you don't go for gold digging trifling ass hoes.

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"seen some dorky looking guys w/ some very attractive wives."

[Edited on January 28, 2008 at 5:20 PM. Reason : .]

1/28/2008 5:19:29 PM

IM TRYING TO TROLL HERE MARK

IF YOU DONT MIND.

[Edited on January 28, 2008 at 5:25 PM. Reason : Pointing out the obvious fallacy of anectdotal evidence. PURESTRAIN evidence.]

1/28/2008 5:23:28 PM

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"A poor elderly man cannot afford to pay his electric bill. The power company cuts off his power and he freezes to death. Who in this story has done something immoral?"

The old man for not wisely managing his money.

1/28/2008 5:25:20 PM

^^oops...err...i don't know sandsanta IRL so i have no idea what i'm talking about. plz to ignore my previous statement.






troll away.

1/28/2008 5:26:16 PM

the old man would live in florida and it would never get that cold

1/28/2008 5:27:10 PM

^^^ what if the old man couldn't convert his massive pile of worthless fiat money to purestrain gold on account of rampant inflation?

^^ good point.

[Edited on January 28, 2008 at 5:28 PM. Reason : Boca Raton.]

1/28/2008 5:28:03 PM

Well, that's his own problem, not mine.

1/28/2008 5:33:34 PM

gotta die sometime

1/28/2008 5:36:37 PM

Letting poor people die would be bad for capitalism. Letting them suffer and be poor, however, is what makes capitalism thrive. The rich obtain their status on the backs of the poor. They depend on the poor/working class to work the low earning, low skill jobs to keep their profits up. Once the education level rose in the US and people demanded more money for their skills the companies decided to pack up and move to where they could get back to exploiting the poor.

Personally I think there are too many humans as it is and wouldn't mind shaving down the number some. Because if you are poor and hungry why should you care about the environment? Hell, for that matter there are a great deal of rich people whom feel the same way only they have their money likely due to the rape and pillage of our natural world.

1/28/2008 5:48:21 PM

^ good call

1/28/2008 5:59:15 PM

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"Once the education level rose in the US and people demanded more money for their skills the companies decided to pack up and move to where they could get back to exploiting the poor."

Think about what you are saying. People do not fetch high wages because they demand them, regardless of their education level. Someone gets a wage because someone else is desperate enough for workers to pay them that wage, and anyone else seeking the same workers must match.

They went over-seas because they could no longer compete for American workers.

1/28/2008 6:08:21 PM

If that were true no one would ever get a raise within their current position. While people may get raises as a result of added responsibilities, I would wager that a lot get them due to duration of employment.

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"They went over-seas because they could no longer compete for American workers."

More like they couldn't compete by hiring American workers because they required higher salaries.

1/28/2008 6:16:00 PM

was this thread made regarding the democratic universal health care plan?

1/28/2008 6:19:23 PM

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"what did u major in philosophy?"

Might as well have.

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"$12 is like 24K a year"

I know people who've bragged about making 30k a year.

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"seriously if you graduate from this school and you have any motivation you should be able to pull in 24k/year"

I know a number of State graduates who don't. Of course, these could be temporary phases.

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"The old man for not wisely managing his money."

Wrong! We can generate more than enough power. No one should go without the basics. We have plenty.

1/28/2008 6:27:12 PM

Wrong? Power costs money kid. What happens when he doesn't pay the month after that....and the month after that...and the month after that?

1/28/2008 6:31:07 PM

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"Wrong? Power costs money kid. What happens when he doesn't pay the month after that....and the month after that...and the month after that?"

Power shouldn't cost money. Money is an outdated concept. We have plenty. We should distribute it freely and equally to all.

As I said before, machines do the vast majority of the work. You don't. Sorry.

If they still think they should receive consuming power on the basis of what they earn through work done, they had better be prepared to starve to death, for when over 98 percent of all work is performed by mechanical energy, none of them can really say they earned their living on the basis of their minuscule energy contribution to the total expended.

http://www.technocracy.ca/simp/Technocracy_FAQ_1.x.htm#6.44

[Edited on January 28, 2008 at 6:40 PM. Reason : Technocracy FTW]

1/28/2008 6:35:47 PM

We don't have plenty.

1/28/2008 6:40:41 PM

Yes, we do. And we'd have even more if we removed the artificial measures in place that discourage production.

1/28/2008 6:42:00 PM

What measure is that?

1/28/2008 6:43:02 PM

I work on a machine all day long but I'd hardly say the machine does 98% of my work and even if it does, so what. I don't see your point.

6.19 If machines are doing all the work, what will people do with themselves?

Machines will be doing most of the work in industrial production, but humans will still be essential in the service functions.

[Edited on January 28, 2008 at 6:48 PM. Reason : ]

1/28/2008 6:44:17 PM

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"As I said before, machines do the vast majority of the work. You don't. Sorry."

And yet somehow, we still only have a 3% unemployment rate. So either the machines aren't doing the vast majority of the work, or as a society we're pissing away money on other people.

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"They depend on the poor/working class to work the low earning, low skill jobs to keep their profits up."

For what it's worth, most people in this world couldn't do what the richest people do, that's why they're rich and you're working for them.

1/28/2008 6:50:45 PM

machines can generate an ungodly amount of energy for the human inputs that go in.

but yet, GDP is only loosely correlated to energy consumption. People work to make dollars, not Joules which is just a commodity with a price tag on it. It only happens that energy, like almost every high technology, is about 80% capital investment.

1/28/2008 6:59:47 PM

Yeah, we have plenty of power...

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"Nuclear reactors across the Southeast could be forced to throttle back or temporarily shut down later this year because drought is drying up the rivers and lakes that supply power plants with the awesome amounts of cooling water they need to operate. Utility officials say such shutdowns probably wouldn't result in blackouts. But they could lead to shockingly higher electric bills for millions of Southerners"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22803789/

1/28/2008 7:00:04 PM

for the love of God, don't get me started on that one.

1/28/2008 7:04:34 PM

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"Power shouldn't cost money. Money is an outdated concept. We have plenty. We should distribute it freely and equally to all. "

1/28/2008 8:42:51 PM

^I second that ...I hope that quote was just trolling.

1/28/2008 8:46:29 PM

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"Utility officials say such shutdowns probably wouldn't result in blackouts. But they could lead to shockingly higher electric bills for millions of Southerners""

ha, way to prove his point

shutting down nuclear reactors wouldn't even affect anything but prices (DUR)

[Edited on January 28, 2008 at 8:52 PM. Reason : ,]

1/28/2008 8:51:32 PM

We just need to get rid of our fiat currency you see.

That way a warm meal will cost only one gold bar.

Riff raff clearly couldn't afford that.

1/28/2008 9:13:12 PM

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"^I second that ...I hope that quote was just trolling."

no the sad thing is GoldenViper is being for real. you should see some of his other posts especially those regarding property rights.

1/28/2008 9:46:57 PM

We need a true liberteria.

That way maybe we can kick out the j00s and fleet footed black folk too.

1/28/2008 10:22:53 PM

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"shutting down nuclear reactors wouldn't even affect anything but prices (DUR)"

Woah, supply goes down and prices go up?!?!? Thanks for the econ 101 lesson.

1/28/2008 11:00:38 PM

least i was in on page 1

1/28/2008 11:08:05 PM

^^Woah, sarcasm, clever.

i assume you have no real response

1/29/2008 12:17:41 AM

How am I proving his point? Obviously we don't have plenty of power b/c if we did it would cost much less.

1/29/2008 9:50:29 AM

jwb never uses sarcasm

1/29/2008 10:13:51 AM

fiat currency.

1/29/2008 10:17:55 AM

How would fiat currency make things any better?

1/29/2008 10:19:35 AM

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"So either the machines aren't doing the vast majority of the work, or as a society we're pissing away money on other people."

They're doing the vast majority of the real, physical work. Even in most service jobs. Obviously, machines aren't going to show up in the figures from the dismal science. They don't get paid. They're capital, controlled by the owners for the benefit of the owners.

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"For what it's worth, most people in this world couldn't do what the richest people do, that's why they're rich and you're working for them."

Alternatively, we could all be rich, or at least extremely comfortable.

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"you should see some of his other posts especially those regarding property rights."

Yes, I continue pushing for a genderless anarchist technocracy.

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"Woah, supply goes down and prices go up?!?!? Thanks for the econ 101 lesson."

This illustrates why the price system fails in the era of mass production. If you produce as much as you can, it's too cheap for you to sell.

1/29/2008 10:40:03 AM

There's still a finite amount you can produce.

1/29/2008 10:43:18 AM