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"^ Can you even get in those if you aren't at a satellite campus? It sounds like one of the classes where it meets in daniels and they keep netmeeting up with UNCA or pembroke, etc. The people taking it distance have to come to class - it's a distance class not an internet class."

it appears that there are 3 Distance Education sections being offered. He can indeed sign up for any one of them. All the work is generally done online and there is no class to physically attend, but there may be a video to watch. All Distance Education classes that are offered, are payed for on a per hour basis that is extra to standard tuition if you are taking a full load of on-campus courses.

3/2/2008 5:10:27 PM

bttt

lots of good info in here

3/10/2008 6:24:13 PM

If you want to avoid getting Terry Gilbert as your 305 or 306 Lab TA (you probably do, he's almost certainly more strict than the grad student TAs, although I haven't actually had him), try not to sign up for the first lab of the week. Least that's been the pattern in the past.

3/10/2008 8:46:06 PM

bttt for registration next week

options:

301 - boles, lyons, kleinstreuer (based on this thread, probably go with boles)
302 - boles, echekki (not sure what this one hour class is anyways)
308 - just says "staff" for both sections
315 - ro, tran (some say ro, some say tran, more input would be appreciated)
eng 331 - cranford, egan-warren, buchko, helo, moses, trunzo (maybe just tell me who not to take)

thanks for all the previous responses. let me know what you think of these options.

3/18/2008 10:03:01 PM

301 - take boles

302 - is a 3 hour course and is the second level of thermo . . . and requires you to take thermo 1 first (301). Not sure how you are going to take both in the same semester.

308 - just pick the one that works better time wise

315 - I had Ro. He explains thing moderately ok and the tests are fairly straight forward if you can do the HW. He curves to a certain percentage of A's, B's, C's, and D's so as long as you are above the average you should be pretty well off. There will be a couple tests (maybe 2 and a final?) and a project at the end. Ours was modeling a suspension system for a car. Can't really speak about Tran as I've never had him, but everyone seems to like him.

eng 331 - I had Trunzo for an online section. Had to post twice a week on the discussion board . . . once with our post to the assignment that she put up and once with a reply to someone elses post. Most of your grade comes from 5 big assignments (2 are done on your own . . . 3 are with the group and are all on the same topic).

3/18/2008 10:44:47 PM

oh shit...that should've been 305 - ME lab I. looked at the wrong column. only section instructor says Gilbert.

3/18/2008 10:47:53 PM

I figured thats what you meant, but wasn't sure since you were talking about Boles and Echekki.

For 305, you will have a video to watch every week and an online quiz to take before lab that comes from the material in the video. Then there will be some lab reports due at the beginning of the lab. Don't remember how many reports 305 has. Just sign up for whatever time fits your schedule best.

3/18/2008 10:56:06 PM

Anyone take K Lyons for 301?

3/19/2008 9:33:17 AM

^ Easy A, but you will learn a lot less than in Boles' class.

3/19/2008 5:09:35 PM

and you might as well get use to boles cause you will probably get him for 302

3/24/2008 11:59:07 AM

i register tomorrow morning. boles only has 5 waitlist spots open now. lyons is closed. what do y'all know about kleinstreuer? looks like i might end up with him.

[Edited on March 24, 2008 at 2:35 PM. Reason : GDRs are all over the place. some great, some shitty.]

3/24/2008 2:34:41 PM

i about took Boles, but it was a distance learning kind of class too, and all the lectures were being recorded, and he started out being a huge bitch about everything.

Not to say he's bad, just wanted to add to the mix.

3/24/2008 2:45:07 PM

His major pet peeves are cellphones, newspapers, and laptops. He'll take off points for that shit (or so he says). Sleeping is ok, oddly.

[Edited on March 24, 2008 at 4:37 PM. Reason : 34oiihwteoi]

3/24/2008 4:36:15 PM

^are you referring to kleinstreuer?

3/24/2008 4:51:49 PM

No, Boles. I've heard a wide variety of things about Kleinstreuer but its been a while.

3/24/2008 8:38:53 PM

that sounds like boles.

I'd take boles' waitlist before signing up for kleinstreuer, he's really hard.

[Edited on March 24, 2008 at 8:41 PM. Reason : ..]

3/24/2008 8:39:38 PM

yeah, i'm definitely gonna try the waitlist, but idk if enough people will drop it. kleinstreuer will be my only other option because i'm sure lyons will be full.

3/24/2008 8:59:26 PM

^yea i was looking at that too.. i'm gonna be takin 301 next fall to

3/24/2008 9:11:51 PM

Sounds like y'all need to get up at 7am tomorrow!

3/24/2008 9:22:26 PM

only one spot left on the waitlist now

3/24/2008 9:43:04 PM

you have a pretty good chance of getting in if you're on the waitlist

and if you don't get in, it's not too hard to get the dept to add you if you tell them you have a schedule conflict with the other sections

3/24/2008 9:49:58 PM

^do you have to do some kind of green sheet thing? someone was telling me something about a green form. ito would suck to attend two different 301 classes for the first two weeks and then not get into boles' class.

moar info plz nerdchick. thanks for the advice.

3/24/2008 9:54:34 PM

^^yeah, I think waitlists aren't that scary. I transferred in last summer and I was waitlisted in two classes and I got into both before the semester started. People will fail a pre-req or something and have to change their classes and free up spots.

3/24/2008 10:26:27 PM

yeah, i have to remember they have the entire summer to change their schedules around and stuff.

if all else fails i'll go talk to the department about it. i appreciate all the input everyone has given throughout this thread.

3/24/2008 10:34:52 PM

^^i believe people who don't meet the pre-req can't sign up for it anymore.

3/25/2008 6:38:21 AM

well, boles and lyons were both full.

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"get the dept to add you if you tell them you have a schedule conflict with the other sections"

how do i go about doing this? i guess i've never really talked with an adviser before.

[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 7:05 AM. Reason : ?]

3/25/2008 6:51:34 AM

^^ it's only restrictions (like major=AE or ME) that prevent you from registering, it's possible to sign up for a class without a pre-req in place, you just get a star next to the class in packtracks. the situation I was making up though was someone who signs up for a class, then fails to make a pre-req they're currently in.

^ oof. Well, just stroll in to Heeter's office sometime, she doesn't bite.

3/25/2008 7:49:02 AM

I had Boles for thermo 1 and thought the dude was a dick. Decent teacher, but no better. I've had plenty of better ones in AE (Roberts, Gopalarathnam, Edwards). I view his authorship of the book as a detriment to the class. He teaches directly from it and draws his examples directly from it. I could have learned just as much from reading the book. I prefer to have the professor teach from a different direction from the book. That way, I can have two viewpoints, two ways of having things explained, so that if I don't understand the lecture, I can try to understand the book, or vice-versa.
And he was an arrogant douche.

3/25/2008 11:43:11 AM

oh hes a dick alright but if you do the work you will learn alot

i cant compare that to the other teachers but once you realize you will have to work and get used to him bitching about solutions manuals/ cell phones its not terrible.

3/25/2008 11:49:03 AM

so i talked to heeter and she said all i could do was ask boles. i emailed him, but i doubt he'll allow me to be added.

anyone have any experience with kleinstreuer they'd like to share?

3/25/2008 12:03:47 PM

Kleinstreuer isn't *bad* but his way is kind of difficult, and he fights against grade inflation.

I found that he had a pretty unique approach in that (this is in fluids) he focuses very hard on physical insight of a phenomenon - he'll start with a system and some assumptions, plunk down some physics, stir in some (symbolic, no numbers) calculus and draw conclusions about the behavior of the system.

you've probably already seen it in action that some profs skip derivations, tell you the equations and focus on teaching you how to choose the appropriate equation for the problem. Some spend a lot of time stepping through a derivation and don't spend much on problem solving or examples. Obviously this is a combination of the prof's style and what's appropriate for the topic.

Kleinstreuer doesn't exactly do either, it's more of the latter but also makes you work the derivations.

The nice thing about fluids with him was that he made many resources available on his library reserve (protip: go check the library reserve website for your classes) and so we could at least figure out what to prepare for. He also only assigned two homeworks, long but with plenty of time, and will always offer a 10% extra credit project by the end of the semester.

So, I learned a lot in his fluids class, but it took a lot of hard work before it clicked. I'm pretty well prepared for heat transfer because of it though, and I won't soon forget the emphasis on "what's going on here" rather than "find X". It was so much work and stress, though...

3/25/2008 4:33:38 PM

Boles and Gould among others also make you start with a basic equation that describes a whole class of problems (like the Bernouli's Eqn, or a conservation of energy eqn) and make assumptions and then simplify it to something you can use.

3/25/2008 7:29:25 PM

here ya go neuse

6/30/2008 12:48:31 AM

thanks marko


so i've got kleinstreuer for fluids and thermo I this fall

any tips?

btw this is casummer's new user name

6/30/2008 12:50:59 AM

Kleinstreuer is probably the one person in the entire department I never had for a class.

6/30/2008 2:03:00 AM

my boss said he had him for heat transfer and if he ever met him in a back alley he would kick his ass... but my boss wants to kick everyone's ass so who knows.

6/30/2008 8:39:02 AM

i just checked and they changed my fluids teacher to "T. Ward"

any thoughts or opinions?

[Edited on June 30, 2008 at 11:39 AM. Reason : i think he's new]

6/30/2008 11:34:34 AM

I guess that's Ma's replacement. I can't seem to even find his picture.

6/30/2008 11:47:14 AM

i'm taking Seelecke for 206 next summer session. I'm taking the class just for elective. what should i expect?

7/2/2008 5:44:27 PM

statics isn't that difficult. i never understood what the big deal about it is.

7/2/2008 7:49:41 PM

borham bohran or however you spell his name

7/2/2008 9:54:53 PM

^that was usually the problem. Although it was a great way to get you prepped for learning the material yourself, something you'll need to do for some mae classes.

7/3/2008 4:48:16 AM

^true that

7/3/2008 7:09:40 PM

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"You're an engineer so u basically know u have to teach urself most of the material for all ur classes anyways."

haha, yeah.

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"you've probably already seen it in action that some profs skip derivations, tell you the equations and focus on teaching you how to choose the appropriate equation for the problem. Some spend a lot of time stepping through a derivation and don't spend much on problem solving or examples"

I hate that latter approach, for the most part. I mean, yeah, I like understanding the "why", but I hated getting bogged down with the mathematical derivations. I usually just zoned out until the professor finished all of that stuff, then started paying attention again when he got into how to actually "do" things.

7/6/2008 3:54:04 AM

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"You're an engineer so u basically know u have to teach urself most of the material for all ur classes anyways."

This is VERY true...however, on that same note, this is why it is even more crucial to get good teachers in your early engineering classes when at all possible (IE Boles for Thermo). That way, when youre in a terrible Thermo II section or Heat Transfer, etc. you at least have a good base.

7/7/2008 11:47:51 AM

this needs to stay alive

7/13/2008 2:11:33 AM

bttt

10/17/2008 9:17:08 PM

^thanks marko



pick my mae 316 and ece 331 teachers:

MAE 316 : 001 STREN MECH COMPON 11:45A - 01:00P T H RESTRICTED 49 5 J EISCHEN
MAE 316 : 002 STREN MECH COMPON 01:30P - 02:45P T H RESTRICTED 57 5 A RABIEI

ECE 331 : 001 PRIN ELEC ENGR I 09:35A - 10:25A M W F RESTRICTED 89 5 DGYU
ECE 331 : 002 PRIN ELEC ENGR I 08:30A - 09:20A M W F RESTRICTED 97 5 JJBRICKLEY

10/17/2008 9:59:50 PM

Definately eischen over rabiei. He may be captain boring but you'll learn and get a decent grade, Rabei you really have to teach yourself and will probably get a C or worse

10/17/2008 11:05:47 PM

i'm gonna try to go with rabiei and yu

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 11:15 PM. Reason : and boles for 302 and kuznetsov for 310, but i don't have a choice on those]

10/17/2008 11:14:29 PM