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"Would it have been a crime if they ate the goose afterwards?"

Yes, because the goose was a domesticated pet belonging to someone else.
And if it was wild, still yes, for the much more minor charge of hunting without a permit/within city limits/out of season.

3/20/2008 8:32:19 PM

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"I mean, to make foie gras the goose is fucking tortured, and thats considered cultured and sophisticated"

3/20/2008 8:54:09 PM

idiots

3/20/2008 9:03:11 PM

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""Would it have been a crime if they ate the goose afterwards?""

^^^ A lot more than that.

Yes, they still would have been charged with cruelty to an animal. Did you read what they did to it?

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""I mean, to make foie gras the goose is fucking tortured, and thats considered cultured and sophisticated""

Agreed. It is repulsive. I have come across foie gras tins in supermarkets many times, and every time I have the urge to buy one (I love to try specialty/gourmet/fancy foods), but at the end, my conscience wins out and I resist.

3/21/2008 7:36:44 AM

You didn't respond to my point, tarp.

3/21/2008 7:46:51 AM

sorry didn't see it.

yes, parents are of course responsible for the apparently obviously neglectful parenting. you are right, that's the first thing that must be blamed.

3/21/2008 8:05:18 AM

Incorrect.

The problem lies with rap videos and video games.

Killing geese in GTA net bonus points.

3/21/2008 10:37:19 AM

Why would you have a goose as a pet?? And then paint its toenails?? And geese have toenails?? I didn't know there were toenails on webbed feet...but then again, I've never tried to notice a goose/duck's toenails when I've been close to them.

3/21/2008 10:40:15 AM

I've heard geese and ducks actually make pretty good pets, they're very social animals. I've also heard that a goose can be trained like a guard dog, but I'm not sure how true that is.

3/21/2008 10:48:13 AM

(i cant find a copy of this pic hosted by a site that allows hotlinking)

3/21/2008 10:49:22 AM

ya see, the kids, they listen to the rap (which gives them the brain damage)

3/25/2008 3:24:16 PM

they should let some geese bite at his pecker/balls (no homo)...i'd pay to see that even

3/25/2008 3:27:34 PM

They hang all four of them.

3/25/2008 9:24:14 PM

lol @ this thread.

really have we come to the point where we want high school girls dead and we defend a single goose like the holocaust occured

3/25/2008 9:59:14 PM

We don't want her dead per se.....it's just that her death was avoidable and the gooses wasn't.

3/25/2008 10:01:03 PM

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"her death was avoidable and the gooses wasn't"

AS WERE THESE, you fucking dipshit





[Edited on March 25, 2008 at 10:04 PM. Reason : ]

3/25/2008 10:03:14 PM

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"I've also heard that a goose can be trained like a guard dog, but I'm not sure how true that is"

They can get pretty fierce about their territory in the wild, I can see how one would function like that.

3/25/2008 10:57:29 PM

3/26/2008 12:35:14 AM

OH SHUT THE HELL UP WITH THAT OMG THEY'RE GONNA BE MURDERERS ONE DAY BULLSHIT

people kill animals all the time and don't go around killing humans, albeit the killings are usually for food, money, clothing, defense, or even sport

while what these kid did is stupid, bad, immoral, unjustifiable, and mostly just wrong... it doesn't mean they're gonna grow up to be the next Dahmers

get a grip people, god this place is full of pussified limpwrists now

3/26/2008 12:52:09 AM

^ it makes it much more likely though than someone who doesn't viciously abuse animals

on top of that, their past record isn't so hot either.

Considering the manner in which they maimed this animal, i could very comfortably convict someone to pound-you-in-the-ass prison for this crime.

3/26/2008 1:10:44 AM

there's a difference in killing an animal for money, food, clothing, etc versus abusing/torturing an animal to death

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"Some serial killers display one or more of what are known as the "MacDonald triad" of warning signs in childhood. These are: * Fire starting, or arson invariably for the thrill of destroying things, for gaining attention, or for making the perpetrator feel more powerful. * Cruelty to animals (related to "zoosadism"). Many children may be cruel to animals, such as pulling the legs off spiders, but future serial killers often kill larger animals, like dogs and cats, and frequently for their solitary enjoyment rather than to impress peers. * Bed wetting beyond the age when children normally grow out of such behavior."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer


[Edited on March 26, 2008 at 7:27 AM. Reason : bold]

3/26/2008 7:20:11 AM

I'm not defending this sort of behavior but have you ever been up close to a goose? They are mean and stupid and hiss at you so they're not necessarily my favorite animal.

And who would have a pet goose and paint its toenails? Sounds like a bunch of freaks who were probably asking to get picked on.

3/26/2008 10:40:06 AM

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"I'm not defending this sort of behavior"

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"ViolentMAW"

riiiight

3/26/2008 10:45:56 AM

I remember I was trying to get to my car in a parking lot and a bunch of geese were walking around hissing at me. If I had a baseball bat at the time I would probably be in this same position.

3/26/2008 10:49:24 AM

I know this will invoke flaming, but just as devil's advocate, is this really that much worse than people that pay to eat a chicken, pig, or cow in the way most are raised killed on factory farms? Cases like this led me to reconsider my dietary intake/participation and a main factor as to why I am now vegan.

3/26/2008 11:24:40 AM

i eat goose for breakfast, lunch, and dinner

3/26/2008 11:30:41 AM

^^ I eat that food with the expectation that the animals aren't stolen from their homes where they are pets, choked, beaten with a baseball bat and tortured to their death...

I figured the owners of a pet Goose would be older, but they look like they are in their late-20's. How strange..

[Edited on March 26, 2008 at 11:59 AM. Reason : x]

3/26/2008 11:58:27 AM

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"I eat that food with the expectation that the animals aren't stolen from their homes where they are pets, choked, beaten with a baseball bat and tortured to their death... "

i dont know man, they do some pretty fucked up shit to chickens and cows at the slaughterhouse.

3/26/2008 1:57:02 PM

Yeah, what exactly do you think the quality of life is for mass farmed animals?

3/26/2008 7:32:00 PM

The quality of life for mass farmed animals? Food.
It is the quality know as "My entire purpose for existing is to feed the genius creatures who have made it possible for me to be born and survive this long."

3/27/2008 5:47:58 AM

I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that the dichotomy in treatment that exists between preferred (pets, aesthetic) animals vs non-preferred (food, ugly, threatening) animals is permanent. At the very least this attitude is not likely to change in several generations. i find the idea of animals receiving equality in treatment (to each other) is especially unlikely as the earth's human population swells and less land must provide more protein.

with that being said, i have a special fondness for birds (yep, i'm biased too) and this story upsets me a little bit. For all the people that said "geese are stupid and mean when you get near them anyway," think about what would happen if a stranger tried to go pick up your pet cat or touch your dog if you weren't around.

I'm pretty sure the animal would react negatively and act aggressively out of fear as well. But, such is the a pet owner takes by leaving their animal outside 24 hours a day without some sort of enclosure to protect the animal. it's pretty impractical to have a goose walking around in your house pooping everywhere but they should have had a shed or pen to put it in at night. a stray dog could have killed it just as easily. I think the negligence of the owners is somewhat to blame, even though the cruelty of the young men is inexcusable.

3/27/2008 7:26:02 AM

^^ I'm more concered with people's double standard on animal treatment. If you have no feelings about about 10,000 chickens trampling one another to death, being fed minimum levels of inadequate food, then don't get bent out of shape about a goose being beaten to death by a few teens.

3/27/2008 1:41:47 PM

There's a huge difference between a chicken raised for food who is "slaughtered" in a way approved by the FDA, and a creature who was a pet that was beaten to death by a baseball bat.

3/27/2008 3:46:20 PM

theres a difference...just not a huge difference

and i notice you put "slaughtered" in quotation marks...does that mean you think slaughter is too severe a word in this context?

3/27/2008 3:47:34 PM

"slaughtered" is a non-ag kid's way to talk to the masses of mass farming.

3/28/2008 8:46:51 AM

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr let me water my stupid fucking houseplant and play music for it

MMMMMMMM FIELDS OF LUSH BROCCOLI

RUN OUT THE THRESHER

CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP

ALL THESE DUMB FUCKING WEEDS NEED TO GO

(POISONS; SPADES)

NEIGHBOR'S TREE LIMB OVER MY FENCE

(HACK HACK HACK)

3/28/2008 9:21:33 AM

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"You know, I can't stop cryin' cause I know this broccoli's dead."

-RBF

3/28/2008 9:27:46 AM

i love killing any animals with my bare hands, i prefer slitting throats to bball bats though

3/28/2008 10:19:07 AM

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"^^ I'm more concered with people's double standard on animal treatment. If you have no feelings about about 10,000 chickens trampling one another to death, being fed minimum levels of inadequate food, then don't get bent out of shape about a goose being beaten to death by a few teens. "

please. I dont know what PETA pamphlets you've been reading but that's why we have regulations in place for this kind of shit. Don't spew ignorant information. I'm not saying it never happens, but it is not the norm and is why we have regulations in the first place.
FDA: http://69.20.19.211/opacom/laws/pltryact.htm
for industry
and also IACUC for research.

I have no feelings for the chickens that are slaughtered everyday and that we consume other than that they are treated accordingly to the regulations that are in place. I DO feel sorry for the goose that someone took out uneeded agression on. The chicken you or anyone else eat aren't getting beaten with baseball bats and held by the neck outside of a car etc etc.

3/28/2008 10:41:26 AM

^Do you know how rarely an inspector from the USDA, FDA or OSHA actually steps foot in a meatpacking plant??

And even when they are inspected and found doing shit wrong it doesn't matter.

CEO's and those who run the meatpacking plants pay big $ to push legislation that keeps the inspectors out and have little control or say about what happens in the plants. The corporations run the livestock industry. Meat recalls are not mandatory. The majority of ground beef in the US has manure in it along with some lovely pathogens.


regardless of what type of animal this was; goose, dog, cat, rabbit, hog - it was a beloved pet and I feel sorry for the owners. I still say the boys deserve to beat to a pulp with a baseball bat.


plus animals in processing plants are shot with captive bolt guns or shocked/stunned/gassed which while isn't the most pleasant way to die is certainly less painful or traumatic then being beaten to death with a bat.

3/28/2008 10:57:35 AM

this is definitely George Bush's fault

3/28/2008 11:08:29 AM

but seriously, i think it's so twisted how the same people who freak out over animal cruelty are the same people who are ardent supporters of the woman's right to murder her unborn child

3/28/2008 11:15:15 AM

^^^^ What makes you think that the dozens of reports from former slaughter house workers are embellished or inaccurate? Am I really spouting out ignorant bs? If so, what are you basing this on? regulations? So in you world everything adheres to set standards? and I'm ignorant? Please research a little before trying to call me out on this before you get embarrassed.

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"Don't spew ignorant information. I'm not saying it never happens"

You even backpedal in the same sentence, nice.

^ Way to sneak that totally off-topic, irrelevant statement in.

[Edited on March 28, 2008 at 11:22 AM. Reason : asdf]

3/28/2008 11:20:29 AM

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"but seriously, i think it's so twisted how the same people who freak out over animal cruelty are the same people who are ardent supporters of the woman's right to murder her unborn child"

GG

3/28/2008 11:22:13 AM

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"Do you know how rarely an inspector from the USDA, FDA or OSHA actually steps foot in a meatpacking plant??"

I know at least in the chicken industry there are federal and state inspectors whose job it is to work full time at the plant at different aspects of the assembly line. I don't know if it's different with pork or beef, but I know chicken is done fairly clean having been to numerous plants myself.

[Edited on March 28, 2008 at 3:58 PM. Reason : ...]

3/28/2008 3:58:05 PM

Growing up I had a Candian goose as a pet. He got hurt when he was a baby and we nursed him back to health and he just stuck around our house. He'd walk us to the pool and sometimes come inside.
We waited til there was a lot of other geese around the pond and let me go mingle every now and then and then one day he just flew off with them and it made us happy
All in all he was a nice pet so this article makes me sad.

3/28/2008 4:52:21 PM

the poultry industry is better regulated than the swine/beef plants. Particulary Tyson and the other big plants.


I just finished teaching this unit and gave a test on [u]Fast Food Nation[/b].

3/28/2008 8:56:27 PM

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"he was ready to go on a killing spree when he heard a golfer ACCIDENTALLY killed a hawk"

That guy didn't "accidentally" kill anything. He couldn't leave the hawk alone and continued to lob golf balls at it until he killed it.

I am surprised that you didn't pull out the old "It's just a damn bird".

3/28/2008 9:15:19 PM

People are fucked up...especially the whiter ones.

3/29/2008 2:35:23 AM

those two look like they've been cast out by the skinheads.

3/29/2008 9:04:10 AM