staple != healthy or neutral

white rice, esp the sticky kind, is one of the unhealthiest things you can eat (aside from the obvious junk manufactured food).

4/11/2008 5:45:49 PM

How so? It provides energy and doesn't poison you.

(Of course, that's true of a lot of junk food as well. At least if you ignore the trans fats.)

Anyways, rice and similar foods are part of a balanced diet.

4/11/2008 5:56:21 PM

paging [user]sushi[/user]

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" are you alright ? "

4/11/2008 6:08:54 PM

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"How so? It provides energy and doesn't poison you."

so eat a bucket of 10-piece KFC meal.
or a bucket of ice cream.
or even a bucket of lard.

they all provide energy.
and they don't poison you.

white rice has no part being part of a balanced diet. (notice that i said white rice, not rice) white rice has been artificially modified to make it less healthy unhealthy. glutinous rice (sticky rice from china, thailand, japan, etc) is the worst. brown/whole rice is fine.

this is just like people who say "burgers are part of a balanced diet" or "chips are part of a balanced diet" or "greasy deep dish pizza is part of a balanced diet" or "bagels are part of a balanced diet" etc.

look, if you eat those things once in a while, that is fine.

but from a nutritional point of view, white rice, burgers, chips, greasy deep dish pizza, and bagels are [generally] bad for you/should not be consumed.

[i say 'generally', because it is possible to find varieties which are not bad for you and/or to use cooking techniques that make the products not so bad for you]

p.s. look up glycemic index, and then compare the glycemic indices of white rice, brown rice, sticky rice, wheat, oats, barley, etc (check for whole grains, not crushed or made into flakes)

4/11/2008 6:17:31 PM

So should I just eat double cheeseburgers from mcdonalds instead of sticky white rice?

4/11/2008 7:42:31 PM

i did not say that.

don't be obtuse.

4/11/2008 7:43:19 PM

It was a serious question.

I mean what food could I compare whit rice to?

4/11/2008 8:02:20 PM

Yes, white rice has less nutritional value than other types of rice. Whole grain is always better, no doubt.

That doesn't make your over-the-top claims any more accurate.

For example, on http://www.nutritiondata.com, white rice gets 2.5 stars.

Proper nutrition is more about overall consumption than merely avoiding certain foods.

4/11/2008 8:06:32 PM

i don't see how you can say that eating almost pure starch bereft of nutrients (almost) is good for you.

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"Why Brown-But Not White-Rice is One of the World's Healthiest Foods The difference between brown rice and white rice is not just color! A whole grain of rice has several layers. Only the outermost layer, the hull, is removed to produce what we call brown rice. This process is the least damaging to the nutritional value of the rice and avoids the unnecessary loss of nutrients that occurs with further processing. If brown rice is further milled to remove the bran and most of the germ layer, the result is a whiter rice, but also a rice that has lost many more nutrients. At this point, however, the rice is still unpolished, and it takes polishing to produce the white rice we are used to seeing. Polishing removes the aleurone layer of the grain-a layer filled with health-supportive, essential fats. Because these fats, once exposed to air by the refining process, are highly susceptible to oxidation, this layer is removed to extend the shelf life of the product. The resulting white rice is simply a refined starch that is largely bereft of its original nutrients. Our food ranking system qualified brown rice as an excellent source of manganese, and a good source of the minerals selenium and magnesium. The complete milling and polishing that converts brown rice into white rice destroys 67% of the vitamin B3, 80% of the vitamin B1, 90% of the vitamin B6, half of the manganese, half of the phosphorus, 60% of the iron, and all of the dietary fiber and essential fatty acids. By law in the United States, fully milled and polished white rice must be "enriched" with vitamins B1, B3, and iron. But the form of these nutrients when added back into the processed rice is not the same as in the original unprocessed version, and at least 11 lost nutrients are not replaced in any form even with rice "enrichment." "

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"Proper nutrition is more about overall consumption than merely avoiding certain foods."

Well, certain foods DO need to be avoided as much as possible. As I said, once in a while is fine.


[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 8:22 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2008 8:20:00 PM

As I said, white rice provides energy and a little protein. As long as you get important nutrients from other sources, there's no harm in using white rice or white bread for some calories. At least it doesn't have tons of sodium or fat.

(Not that sodium and fat are innately bad, but balancing for one thing is easier than balancing for many. Calories, sodium, and fat are all necessary but potentially harmful in large amounts.)

I completely agree brown rice would be better.

4/11/2008 8:33:58 PM

Short answer.......No

4/11/2008 8:35:19 PM

OK, if you eat white rice (or bread) with lots of vegetables and beans/lentils, then it is OK, but white rice (or bread) on its own or with little other food is very bad for you.

4/11/2008 8:38:03 PM

Yeah, I agree there.

White rice gives you hardly anything beyond calories.

Veggies or fish wrapped in rice and seaweed seems fairly reasonable.

4/11/2008 8:40:50 PM

Well I am glad we agree. Still, leaving it out would be better.

And I forgot to say earlier: Rice provides protein just like oranges provide calcium. Completely insignificant amounts. So the only thing white rice provides is easily and quickly digestible carbohydrates, i.e., empty calories.

4/11/2008 8:46:07 PM

Sushi with brown rice does exist.

By the way, I had some sprouted brown rice recently.

Tasty stuff. Supposedly more healthful.

4/11/2008 8:53:01 PM

Unfortunately, I have never come across sushi with brown rice.

Sprouted grains, beans, and nuts are far superior in nutrition to unsprouted.

Check out: http://www.foodforlife.com

4/11/2008 9:07:42 PM

Ah yes. I've had Ezekiel bread.

That stuff rules.

4/11/2008 9:11:23 PM

so it is good, huh? wish i could have it... but i am not in the US.

but my bro and sis are there. next time they come over, i will ask them to bring some. or better yet, i will order some products from their website and have them delivered to my bro/sis.

4/11/2008 9:13:07 PM

Opinions vary. Some consider it a right-wing Christian conspiracy:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/washingtonnews/EzekielBread.htm

I'm a fan. I don't care how biblically accurate the recipe is. That stuff was hearty and delicious.

4/11/2008 9:22:43 PM

And is fried rice a type of brown rice or no?

4/11/2008 9:33:15 PM

Jim Walker should stick to satire and bashing Christianity. He has no place talking about nutrition:

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"[Barley] is usually fed to livestock, but humans can eat it too if they can stomach the flavor. Millet is a bland tasting grass used mainly in disadvantaged counties to feed the poor (and the seeds are given to birds). It's also found in "natural" food stores because it's exotic (which means that its rarely eaten, especially by well-to-do people). "

WTF is he smoking?

1) Barley tastes amazing. Did the asshole ever try it? And barley is one of the healthiest grains.
2) Since millet is given to poor in poor countries, it must be horrible. In fact, it is a very nutritious grain, a lot more than wheat.
3) Again, if something is not eaten by well-to-do people, it must be bad for you. Quite the contrary, often.
4) If something is consumed by livestock and birds, it must be a nasty thing to eat.

Asshole.

4/11/2008 9:34:27 PM

where is marko's love?

4/11/2008 9:34:38 PM

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"And is fried rice a type of brown rice or no?"

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"DOES NOT COMPUTE"

Fried refers to method of cooking.

Brown refers to type of rice.

It is sort of like asking "is grilled fish tuna, salmon, or barracuda?"

Rice can be white, brown, red, purple, black.

Rice (of any kind) can be boiled, steamed, baked (after boiling), fried (after boiling).

P.S. > 90% of the rice consumed in the world is white rice. and ~100% of the rice consumed in the US and available in restaurants.



[Edited on April 11, 2008 at 9:52 PM. Reason : ]

4/11/2008 9:38:26 PM

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"don't be obtuse"

hahahahahahahahahhahahahaha

all i see is that guy from the shawshank redemption

andy.
the only other time i've ever heard that word used in that context)

it sounds so....awkward

[Edited on April 12, 2008 at 12:49 AM. Reason : clarify]

4/12/2008 12:48:39 AM

I had Sushi Blues last night for half priced Thursday and I'm not dead yet. I had the Wolfpack and the Bagel rolls...Delicious!

4/12/2008 12:57:13 AM

haha the night before graduation in '05, a bunch of us went to Sushi Blues, and my buddy decided it would be smart to eat the entire blob of wasabi in one fell swoop.

graduation was not fun for him.

4/12/2008 12:59:18 AM

If you guys had to eat true japanese sushi like I do every day, you'd put a bullet in your head. It's so fucking boring.

4/12/2008 1:14:18 AM

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"some fish is not free of micro-organism even while it's fresh,"

No food you eat is.

4/12/2008 10:30:48 AM

Somebody holla at lowes foods and tell them to start fixing sushi with brown rice.

4/12/2008 12:15:25 PM

It seems to me that brown rice isn't as sticky as sushi rice, and would be difficult to put in sushi. I may be wrong though.

4/12/2008 12:20:46 PM

^ arborio, which is short-grain brown rice from italy, is quite sticky. it is, after all, used to make risotto. so i am sure it would work.

4/12/2008 6:13:01 PM

Sushimi is a lot better.

4/12/2008 6:19:41 PM

RAWR RAWR RAWR

KING DOUCHEBAG HERE

YOUR SUSHI LOCALES SUCK

I GET MY SUSHI STRAIGHT FROM GODZILLA HIMSELF

4/12/2008 6:47:36 PM

HT sushi is way better than lowes foods sushi

I just got some with brown rice.

4/12/2008 8:50:32 PM

I really want some sushi.

4/12/2008 8:58:30 PM

My GF told me that Cameron Village Harris Teeter is one of the top places in Raleigh to meet people.

4/12/2008 8:59:21 PM

dat 190% godzilla sushi

4/12/2008 9:06:48 PM

The best tuna for sushi has very high levels of mercury. Ahi tuna has some of the highest. Although, personally, I'm of the opinion where you eat whatever you want and be happy with your life instead of eating something you hate because you think it might make you live longer.

http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/sushi.asp
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/dining/23sushi.html

4/12/2008 9:38:42 PM

dude, a fish at the top of the food chain has high levels of toxins?

NO WAI

4/12/2008 10:09:53 PM

traditional tuna and salmon rolls with some soy sauce ftw

^^ agree you really have to limit your intake of predator fish...

me thinks the next big evironmental thing will be the many thousands of tons of mercury released into the atmosphere by coal fired power plants

[Edited on April 12, 2008 at 11:11 PM. Reason : Hg]

4/12/2008 11:09:27 PM

someone enlighten me: whats wrong with whole wheat bagels? I was starting to eat them more because I thought they were pretty much the same as whole wheat bread. Are the really that unhealthy?

4/13/2008 12:09:51 AM

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"The best tuna for sushi has very high levels of mercury."

Stick to salmon.


^ First of all make sure they really are made with whole wheat.

If they are, they are better than white flour bagels, in terms of nutrients that are in them.

But in terms of what effect they have on blood sugar levels (and subsequently, triglyceride levels, plaque level in arteries, and then heart disease), it is almsot the same as those made with white flour, even though they are made with whole wheat.

The reason is that bagels (and almost all flour products on the market) are made of very finely pulverized flour. When you grind grains into a very fine flour, and then make something with it, it digests quickly, thus raising blood sugar levels fast, and then making you hungry again soon.

If you have to eat bread, look for bread made with coarsely ground flour, or bread with pieces of cracked grains or nuts or seeds in it. That will slow down its digestion, keep blood sugar levels more stable, and keep you fuller for longer.

Ideally, one should eat the grains themselves* and not products made with powdered grains.

* as a porridge
as a main savoury dish (roasted/stewed) with meat and vegetables
as a dessert

4/13/2008 6:52:48 AM

I went to PF Changs today and got brown rice!!!

4/13/2008 11:57:57 PM

whole wheat isnt all that great either if you want to split hairs.

whole grain ftw

4/14/2008 12:22:39 AM

does it really matter its probably better than what you stuff your face with anyway

4/14/2008 12:24:12 AM

^

4/14/2008 12:24:46 AM

iz gooood

4/14/2008 12:27:17 AM

Don't eat too much of it or you'll end up like this:

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" Stick to salmon."

You probably shouldn't be eating fish at all these days, especially salmon.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2008/3/17/salmon-depletion-is-a-bad-omen.html

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-11/aaft-b2a102706.php

etc

[Edited on April 14, 2008 at 2:15 AM. Reason : .]

4/14/2008 2:00:27 AM