^That looks driveable. Cost = $0 Unless you were at fault for the other guy's damage...

4/29/2008 12:32:21 PM

Lets be jews and inconvenience other drivers on the road by squeezing those extra few miles out of a tank of gas. WOOO i'm so cool i worked hard to save $5 in gas.

4/29/2008 2:32:31 PM

I drive 20,000 per year.

I was getting 25ish mpg. Now, I'm getting around 36 on average.

20,000 / 25 = 800 gallons per year. 800 gallons/year * $3.50/gallon = $2800 a year gas expense before.

20,000 / 36 = 555 gallons per year. 555 gallons/year * $3.50/gallon = $1942 a year gas expense after

By counting my wife in, the difference in total gas costs per year for us is roughly $1500.

For $1500/year minimum, you bet I will "inconvenience" someone who finds the speed limit and slow acceleration intolerable. It also makes me a safer driver, with no possibility of getting a ticket.

And these are low-ball numbers, cuz we all know gas isn't going to average $3.50.

Folks can rant, and bang their steering wheels, give me the bird, tailgate, etc. - it isn't going to change a thing. I'll speed up, if they pay me $1500+ per year to do it.

[Edited on April 29, 2008 at 2:44 PM. Reason : a]

4/29/2008 2:42:36 PM

ok maybe you are the exception.

4/29/2008 2:52:34 PM

I don't drive below the speed limit and even if i floor it i don't accelerate fast.

The guy you want to bitch about is the retard in the passing lane going slow.

4/29/2008 6:28:09 PM

I can understand wanting to save gas but if there are 5 people behind you having to use more gas to deal with the interruption in the flow of traffic then you can't say this is for the environment. The net effect to the Whales is the same

-- Dave

4/30/2008 9:01:25 PM

i like my smug emissions

34mpg personal best

4/30/2008 9:05:08 PM

^^ Unless they're driving like assholes, they're saving gas too.

My 2007 Chevy Cobalt (5 spd) supposedly gets 25 mpg city. Since I changed to synthetic oil I've routinely been getting over 40 mpg just by driving patiently. So this past tank of gas I decided to drive like a maniac (flooring it at green lights, racing around people to pass, etc.). The gauge currently says 35.4 mpg. This is 100% city/town (wilmington & castle hayne) driving. I'd love to know where the 25 mpg figure came from because I've never had economy that bad.

If I wanted to really save money, my car gets about 55-58 mpg at 35 mph. The biggest waste of gas is red lights. I've learned to drive at just the right speed so I can get all the way to work without stopping. I coast a lot in traffic rather than speeding up/slowing down, but I've always done that. Nothing else is really worth the effort unless you do something like disconnecting the air compressor and power steering, etc.

4/30/2008 9:15:26 PM

I don't have power steering or a passenger side mirror.

I do have AC though!

I recently changed the o2 sensor (16 years old) and I think that improved things a fair amount. I'll know in another week or 300 miles whichever comes first! I wish I had some kind of gauge besides the gas pump every 2 weeks.

4/30/2008 10:01:44 PM

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"I can understand wanting to save gas but if there are 5 people behind you having to use more gas to deal with the interruption in the flow of traffic then you can't say this is for the environment. The net effect to the Whales is the same "

You should have seen all the people PISSED because im going EXACTLY the speed limit in a Lotus, and accelerating like a grandmother. It was hard for me to do for two weeks, but it did get me a big bump in gas mileage.

Now to try it in the Saturn.

4/30/2008 10:25:35 PM

yeah the looks and the people switching lanes quickly and zooming past me only for me to pull up next to them at the next light makes me people just don't get it... even with gas at over 3.50 a gallon people don't realize that just slowing their roll a little bit can make a huge difference. I still get to places in the same amount of time, but I use way less brakes and get much better mileage, and I would have to think less wear and tear on the vehicle.

4/30/2008 10:40:39 PM

While you're accelerating as slow as possible someone else is getting stuck at the red light for another cycle.

While you're coasting for 1/4 mile before making your turn everyone behind you is coming to a near stop and having to accelerate again after you turn.

Be reasonable. Accelerate at a reasonable speed. Your gas mileage really shouldn't suffer much for it. You don't own the road any more than the speeders.

4/30/2008 11:57:41 PM

no not really... the only time i coast to a stop is for a red light... no difference than zooming all the way up to it and slamming on the brakes... and at lights if it's a busy light then i accelerate faster than normal. I do take others into consideration... on a 4 lane road though if they can get around me... i could give two shits about them... time and time again i see people pull out from behind me and race past me... only to be sitting right there with me at the next light.. it's amusing really. I didn't realize it until I started watching other people who I would race past and then be sitting next to at the light... no need to be in a hurry, no need to race from light to light

5/1/2008 6:42:16 AM

It really is amazing how pissed people get at me for going the speed limit. I get into the far right lane when feasible and available. But I'm not going to go 60ish in a 55 just because you're an asshole and want to get to your destination 30s sooner. I've found that if I go the speed limit to work, versus going 65, I gain 15% in economy, and only lose 2 or 3 minutes. Plus, I don't get jammed at all the lights. Funny how that works out. But I don't agree with the coasting for 1/4 mile to a turn and shutting the engine off while moving business. I do my best not to inconvenience other drivers. Though if they feel like I am, that's their problem.

5/1/2008 8:14:30 AM

^ good point, it is very annoying when someone in the right lane is going 5 under on a interstate/freeway however....


i've done the speed limit thing and other aspects, but my milage only really varies by 1-2mpg

22-24 something typically

5/1/2008 12:40:28 PM

Quote :

"My 2007 Chevy Cobalt (5 spd) supposedly gets 25 mpg city. Since I changed to synthetic oil I've routinely been getting over 40 mpg just by driving patiently. "

honestly dont think switching to synthetic oil in an 07 yearmodel car changes much.

5/1/2008 12:46:56 PM

Quote :

"While you're accelerating as slow as possible someone else is getting stuck at the red light for another cycle. While you're coasting for 1/4 mile before making your turn everyone behind you is coming to a near stop and having to accelerate again after you turn. Be reasonable. Accelerate at a reasonable speed. Your gas mileage really shouldn't suffer much for it. You don't own the road any more than the speeders."

I may be speaking for myself but i think in your mind you are GROSSLY underestimating the speed at which people drive when trying to get decent gas mileage. It's not THAT bad. Hell, I doubt people even stick out.

Going 60mph in a 60mph zone in the far right lane is perfectly acceptable.

You would have to be traveling a decent distance for speeding to make sense.

10 miles
60mph 10 minutes
70mph 8.6 minutes
80mph 7.5 minutes
90mph 6.7 minutes

Come on people .

5/1/2008 1:00:24 PM

i drove 205 miles from last wedn. to this wedn. got 31.4MPG

so this wedn. to next wedn. (or until i hit 205miles) i will be taking it easy to see what i can do.

this is all city driving BTW.

5/1/2008 1:02:22 PM

http://www.autosavant.net/2008/04/suddenly-cobalt-beats-its-competition.html

5/1/2008 1:03:43 PM

Quote :

"I may be speaking for myself but i think in your mind you are GROSSLY underestimating the speed at which people drive when trying to get decent gas mileage. It's not THAT bad. Hell, I doubt people even stick out."

Then it's just driving normally. I was basing my statement on the techniques in the Wikipedia link and the fact that some people seem to be pissing off their fellow drivers with it. I can assure you they are not getting pissed because someone is going 55 in a 55 zone or accelerating like my mother.

Quote :

"Going 60mph in a 60mph zone in the far right lane is perfectly acceptable. "

I agree.

5/1/2008 1:56:47 PM

Quote :

"These are less broadly applicable, and some may compromise safety."

I try to let off the accelerator when I see a stoplight ahead, especially if it's on a highway (64 W, for example) where there is plenty of time for you to slow down to 45 or so and not have to even come close to stopping. I also try not to gun it when starting from a stop. But most of the time when I'm driving where it is legal or close to legal to go 70, 75, or 80, I'm not going to drive 60 just to get gas mileage. I drive to Columbia pretty often and it's 3.5 hours, I sure as hell don't want to turn that into over 4.

As for tailgating to reduce wind resistance, that is pushing safety, courtesy, and common sense out of the way for a few bucks.

5/1/2008 2:25:12 PM

Quote :

"As for that hypermilling poster-child that gets 50mpg in an Accord, he's a dangerous nutjob and shouldn't be imitated. If he was really concerned with gas mileage, he'd buy a small motorcycle instead of risking everyone by tailgating and coasting through stop signs. Instant 100mpg. "

yep


fuck these goddamned dunces. this is dangerous and fucking stupid.

Quote :

"For $1500/year minimum, you bet I will "inconvenience" someone who finds the speed limit and slow acceleration intolerable. It also makes me a safer driver, with no possibility of getting a ticket. "

First of all, being safe and not getting tickets have little to nothing to do with each other. On that note, you are being more DANGEROUS, not safe. In addition--you won't be inconveniencing people like me--I'll just pass you with the quickness, either with the turbo screaming in my Evo or the 8.0 liter engine in my truck bellowing, in either case burning far more gas than you're saving.

Quote :

"I can understand wanting to save gas but if there are 5 people behind you having to use more gas to deal with the interruption in the flow of traffic then you can't say this is for the environment. The net effect to the Whales is the same "

here in WA, they can and will ticket you for holding up 5 or more vehicles behind you.

if enough of these dumbshits start pulling stunts like this "hypermiling" shit, you can bet that similar laws will be enacted and enforced everywhere.

Quote :

"While you're accelerating as slow as possible someone else is getting stuck at the red light for another cycle. While you're coasting for 1/4 mile before making your turn everyone behind you is coming to a near stop and having to accelerate again after you turn. Be reasonable. Accelerate at a reasonable speed. Your gas mileage really shouldn't suffer much for it. You don't own the road any more than the speeders. "

Yep. This is a stupidly inefficient use of the public road system.

Quote :

"good point, it is very annoying when someone in the right lane is going 5 under on a interstate/freeway however.... "

yeah, in general (and within reason), i don't care how fast or slow people go in the right lane. if you are in the left lane and not actively passing someone, then I will tailgate you, pass you, and/or cut you off or do whatever else I need to do to make you no longer my problem.

Quote :

"For example, when approaching a red light I watch the lights facing the other way. By timing my braking/coasting I can often roll through at 10mph or so when the light turns green. Also in heavy traffic I leave a big space between me and the next car. That way, when that car stops I can just slow down and put the gas on when he starts moving again. If done right, you don't have to stop! Being able to see a ways in front helps, so you can see when the line of cars begins to move and judge when the car in front will catch on. "

yeah, i do this stuff lots of times...that's different from what we're talking about here, though.



[Edited on May 1, 2008 at 2:42 PM. Reason : asfd]

5/1/2008 2:36:13 PM

how are you gonna tell people that they are being dangerous, when you admit that you'll tailgate and cut people off? you might think that isn't dangerous, but it can be....

5/1/2008 2:55:51 PM

i don't really care if it's dangerous, and am not bullshitting myself or anyone else about it.

i drive hard when there aren't other cars around. i don't drive like an asshole when other people are a factor, with the exception of when they do stuff like drive in the left lane when they aren't passing someone. then i don't really care--fuck 'em.

5/1/2008 2:59:12 PM

Gosh, it isn't at all surprising that you've been pulled over a ton of times while driving.

5/1/2008 3:11:13 PM

to be clear, Duke isn't saying what he does is correct...he's saying fuck it.

though I would find it hard to bitch at someone for going the speed limit, it must be the acceleration issue he's taken a bigger issue with. left lane, not passing, gtfo of the way. right lane, speed limit, fuck people behind you tailgating you.

5/1/2008 3:45:45 PM

You would have to be a push over to speed up just because a car behind you is in close proximity to your bumper.

I mean do people actually respond to that?

They could (and probably do) do entire studies on peoples reasoning behind their driving antics. It would be interesting to say the least.

5/1/2008 6:29:42 PM

^^ yeah on I40 the other night returning from work in RTP I was going about 72mph in the 2nd furthest to the right of the 4 lanes. I do not know what his deal was but this cocksucker was straight up riding my ass. The time was around 10pm so it was not like there was heavy traffic; so he had 2 lanes to the left to pass in and keep cruising. My theory is.....


a. He is just a giant douchebag, thinking everyone needs to get out of his way
b. Just plain ignorant/stupid not knowing tailgating is not only unsafe but it pisses people off.
c. Is a foreigner and hasn't learn in america we pass cars on the left.
d. A jew and was just trying to save a few cents by drafting off of me.

5/1/2008 7:05:05 PM

Quote :

"It's this type of cuntsmear attitude that makes driving in places like Crossroads completely unbearable (although something tells me that 90% of the time the problem isn't from people trying to save gas, but more likely soccer moms paying more attention to their cell phone conversation than the road.) There are few things that piss me off more than being 20th in line at a light, seeing it turn green and then seeing some slow ass trickle of cars drive off at half the speed of smell, knowing that if I'm lucky I'll only have to sit through 2 more light cycles before I can finally get through the damn thing. If there's more than 2-3 cars behind you at a light, you should get the fuck out of the way as soon as possible. Certainly there's no reason to wait 2 seconds before "slowing accelerating". Unless you're just trying to be an asshole."

i totally and completely agree. i always anticipate light changes by watching the other lights when im the first in line so i can get where im going and hopefully get everyone behind me through the light.

5/5/2008 3:03:24 PM

Quote :

"First of all, being safe and not getting tickets have little to nothing to do with each other. On that note, you are being more DANGEROUS, not safe. In addition--you won't be inconveniencing people like me--I'll just pass you with the quickness, either with the turbo screaming in my Evo or the 8.0 liter engine in my truck bellowing, in either case burning far more gas than you're saving."

The reason I am more safe is because of the awareness factor. Hypermiling forces me to look further ahead than most drivers, to be aware of things that could hurt mpg or to time lights. Same goes for my rear-view, especially on the highway. I always know where every single car is around me, without exception. I can't afford to just go into some mental fog and wait till I get somewhere.

To help those passing me, I stay in the right side of the right line. The asymmetry that causes to someone approaching me makes me more visible and noticeable, and also gives them a bigger buffer to pass safely.

But, if you plow into the back of me, or clip my left end trying to whip around to pass - it is 1000% your fault and I will not be ruled the dangerous driver, regardless of whether I was going 55 in a 65, or 70 in a 65.

And I think you're wrong on the changes in future treatment by the law. It is far more likely that they will reduce speed limits than that all of a sudden they will pull over anyone going 5-10 under.

[Edited on May 5, 2008 at 4:06 PM. Reason : a]

5/5/2008 4:03:15 PM

i bet you shop at Walmart to

5/5/2008 4:09:19 PM

I get 37.5 on the highway, and somewhere close to 32 mixed driving. The best I have ever seen in my car is 44 on some long distance highway driving/coasting.

5/5/2008 4:11:12 PM

if you worry that much, just sell your car and get a civic. it'll get 45-48 and you dont have to drive like you're a lost 80 yr old

5/5/2008 6:24:09 PM

I drive a Civic VX and I just got 52 on my recent fillup

no idea why. I've been doing mostly city driving and that usually gives me 45 or so. I just may get a vanity plate to rub it in people's faces this summer

5/5/2008 6:52:31 PM

Quote :

"i bet you shop at Walmart to"

For groceries, yeah. Anything else - only when I can't find it at Goodwill, a yard sale, or free from a friend who is moving or throwing something out. My apartment is proudly fully-furnished with other people's "junk"

5/5/2008 8:29:48 PM

all this time i thought TULIPlovr was another name for faggot

5/5/2008 8:37:21 PM

Quote :

"The reason I am more safe is because of the awareness factor. Hypermiling forces me to look further ahead than most drivers, to be aware of things that could hurt mpg or to time lights. Same goes for my rear-view, especially on the highway. I always know where every single car is around me, without exception. I can't afford to just go into some mental fog and wait till I get somewhere. "

you don't have to go slow to be aware of everything around you...

5/5/2008 8:48:53 PM

Took it easy accelerating this last tank of gas and started coasting down hills out of gear and went from 18-19mpg to 21mpg.

5/5/2008 11:23:46 PM

Quote :

"I drive a Civic VX and I just got 52 on my recent fillup "

You're owning me.

I generally see better mileage in the warmer months. I think I'm around low 40's for work and back. I would know for certain but i don't get gas but every 2 weeks.

5/6/2008 8:27:26 AM

^ yeah and I don't have the temptation of using gas-sucking AC!!!

5/6/2008 9:09:25 AM

TULIPlovr

Was that you hypermiling yesterday on I40 eastbound around 6pm in the camaro going Fucking 55mph in a 65 driving in the 2nd most Left lane of the 4.

I saw cars in front of me breaking and acting erratic. Then i catch up to see some jackass in the 2nd leftlane driving 10 below the speed limit w/o his emergency blinkers. I am guessing 55 b.c i had to slow down to 65 bc of the disturbance this car was making.

Good job prick its people like you that cause traffic jams and accidents

5/6/2008 10:23:09 AM

Quote :

"eah on I40 the other night returning from work in RTP I was going about 72mph in the 2nd furthest to the right of the 4 lanes. I do not know what his deal was but this cocksucker was straight up riding my ass. The time was around 10pm so it was not like there was heavy traffic; so he had 2 lanes to the left to pass in and keep cruising."

that's time to check to see if your brakes work, or use some washer fluid on your windscreen, sprays the fuck out of a car behind you, my favorite way of dealing with tail gaters along with random brake taps, i should signal something in morse code to them. like fuck off... or get a ticker to stick in the back window...

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 11:58 AM. Reason : ^ i think he would have been in the right.... or at least i hope he would have been]

Quote :

"For groceries, yeah. Anything else - only when I can't find it at Goodwill, a yard sale, or free from a friend who is moving or throwing something out. My apartment is proudly fully-furnished with other people's "junk""

good way to get bugs in your place...

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 12:00 PM. Reason : wow jew]

5/6/2008 11:58:13 AM

Quote :

"TULIPlovr Was that you hypermiling yesterday on I40 eastbound around 6pm in the camaro going Fucking 55mph in a 65 driving in the 2nd most Left lane of the 4. I saw cars in front of me breaking and acting erratic. Then i catch up to see some jackass in the 2nd leftlane driving 10 below the speed limit w/o his emergency blinkers. I am guessing 55 b.c i had to slow down to 65 bc of the disturbance this car was making. Good job prick its people like you that cause traffic jams and accidents"

Not me, I'm in a black Escort and, as I said, I'm always in the farthest right lane. I'll even move over into a long Exit-Only lane to release some of the pressure behind me, and then get back in the right lane.

I'm forced to be in the left lane once daily - merging onto I-40E from 147 - and on that merge I'm always at 65.

Quote :

"good way to get bugs in your place..."

If I picked up trash from the side of the road and used it as a couch, maybe. All my furniture came from friends who were moving or got new furniture. My wife is a neat/clean freak, so there's no way I could get away with using free, bug-ridden stuff even if I wanted to.

Our apartment if very nice and well put-together, and if it ever comes up, people are kind of shocked that we didn't pay a dime for any of our desks, tables, couches, chairs, computers, silverware, dishes, or t.v.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 12:12 PM. Reason : a]

5/6/2008 12:09:59 PM

50.4MPG

new record.

7/2/2008 1:26:27 PM

Last week I bought 9 tanks of gas averaging at 20 gallons.

7/2/2008 2:10:28 PM

I just started this and its actually very fun I find myself paying attention to the road a lot more (I feel I am a pretty safe and cautious driver anyways) and also noticing how silly the people are that fly away from every light, and accelerate to full speed only to brake again 50 yds later for the next light etc.

I stay in the right-hand lane and watch people fly by me on the left only to get stacked up at the next redlight. the best part is that probably 75% of the time on my way too work (not as much on the way back) everyone seems to want to get into the left hand lane. So people will pass me and speed away from me and then at the next redlight im first in line in the right hand lane and they are 4 cars back in the left

It does annoy me when someone rides my tail when im going the speed limit in the right hand lane but I think ill get used to that. I havent felt like anything I am doing is even remotely dangerous so Im not sure what people are complaining about. If I can see that a light ahead of me just turned red, even if its 50 yards away, there is no reason to be riding the gas all the way until like 20 yards from the light. etc.

there is someone who leaves at the same time as me from my apartment complex nearly every day now that I started a new project 3 weeks ago and Im coming in at a different time. They fly in their little BMW all the way, heavy on the accel from lights etc. But even on the days where I have accelerated slow, driven the speed limit etc. I have seen him walking into the building as im pulling up in my car meaning im probably about 3 minutes behind him based on where he parks (its about a 15 minute drive for me). Not worth wasting all that gas.

[Edited on July 2, 2008 at 2:29 PM. Reason : ]

7/2/2008 2:24:26 PM

if you can go through all the traffic lights on your way to or from work without stopping or hitting the brakes you win!

7/2/2008 2:31:11 PM

hypermiling is just a fancy word for driving conservatively..

except for those morons that tailgate or turn their car of while going down hills, effectively losing all the advantages of power steering and power brakes.

funny thing is that a lot of fuel injection systems cut fuel all together when in gear/off throttle, so they could just be coasting down in gear and getting the same effect on mileage.

7/2/2008 2:35:17 PM

Quote :

"Trooper Cites Man For Driving Too Slow In Attempt To Save Gas WASHINGTON -- Experts say motorists can save money on gas by slowing down, but, as one Maryland man found out, that may not always be a good idea. Glenn Conrad said his Honda hybrid usually gets about 70 miles per gallon, but he feels great if he can get 80 miles per gallon or more. Conrad admitted he is what's known as a "hyper-miler," someone who stretches his or her car's miles per gallon by altering his or her driving habits. On June 12, Conrad was "hyper-miling" on Interstate 95 on his way to Baltimore/Washington International Airport. He said his car would roll down hills at up to 65 mph, and he would tap the gas until it reached 55 mph going uphill or 50 mph just puttering down the road. Conrad said he was surprised when a Maryland State Police trooper pulled him over. Related: Watch The Report The trooper asked Conrad why he was driving 50 mph. Conrad said he was saving gas. The trooper, however, was more concerned with motorist safety and issued Conrad a warning for driving 15 mph under the posted speed limit. "Speed limits aren't just put there just because the state decides what they want," said Maryland State Police Sgt. Chris Davala. "It's because of fuel conservation and the safety of the other motorists and the motorists around you on the highways." AAA officials agreed that driving too slow can be a hazard. "The optimum speed for saving gas is probably 55 or a little above that right now, so the thought that you're saving more gas by driving 50 or 45 on high-speed roads isn't accurate, and it's very, very dangerous," said AAA Mid-Atlantic spokesman Lon Anderson. Conrad said he won't go 50 mph on I-95 again -- he'll drive 51 mph. According to Maryland driving laws, slow speed impeding traffic is prohibited. Troopers have discretion to pull over motorists if they feel they are creating unsafe driving conditions---by driving too slow. "

http://www.nbc4.com/news/16699850/detail.html

7/2/2008 2:41:20 PM

^i think most of us would admit driving 15-20 mph under the speed limit is not safe.

7/2/2008 2:44:46 PM