NO PREFERENCE '08!

5/6/2008 6:10:20 PM

I seriously voted for Huckabee today.

5/6/2008 6:10:51 PM

And I seriously voted for No Preference today.

If they had a "None of these fucksticks" bubble, it would've been black.

5/6/2008 6:12:57 PM

^ Hahaha. Always the optimist.

5/6/2008 6:15:27 PM

Gotta go vote--I'm sure you want my voice to be heard, right? BTW, while I'm gone, why don't you ponder just how undemocratic superdelegates are--I mean, if the popular vote is really what matters, why are superdelegates even needed?

5/6/2008 6:21:24 PM

Ditto the Electoral College.

5/6/2008 6:23:03 PM

yeah i made a thread back during the most recent congressional elections about showing ID...iirc most people were not asked to show ID...I still dont understand why they wouldnt implement requiring showing an ID...i think the only reasons I got were if somebody moved and didnt have the right address on their license or something, they'd have to get a new license...some reason i didnt think was that strong

5/6/2008 6:39:53 PM

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"Unaffiliated voters like myself don't have to deal with this whole notion of "crossover.""

Actually in NC unaffiliated voters are the only ones that have the option of "crossover". Otherwise you're locked into voting in the primary with the party you're registered as. But I see what you're saying,

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 7:39 PM. Reason : -]

5/6/2008 7:34:26 PM

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"Voter Fraud is possible? How so? "

If you do not think voter fraud in general (happens/ has happened) in the US then you are an idiot. ohh i forgot we are a special country pure to the bone with the magic furor of democracy.

5/6/2008 7:52:59 PM

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"Actually he has stated multiple times that this has been used over the years, so STFU because you don't know what you are talking about. It's just much more effective against liberals like you because you get way more worked up about it "Waahhhh....it's not fair, Rush is a mean mean racist conservative.....waaahhhh!!!""

really? that's your response to me? you admitting i was right, then saying i am crying about it when i obviously wasn't?
lol

kill yourself you little faggot

5/6/2008 9:01:13 PM

either Obama or Hillary is going to have to take the position as running mate at the end of this.

I really think this is going to happen. Or else the party will seriously be screwed.

5/6/2008 9:11:30 PM

Uh...it's the Democrats. Screwing the party is in their charter...

5/6/2008 9:18:54 PM

^ recently, that's been pretty damn true

5/6/2008 9:22:51 PM

hillary as pres and obama as vp makes like 800 percent more sense to going off ^^^ than the other way around, imo

you'd think they'd want the younger one as vp so he can be president in 8 years

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 9:23 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 9:22:56 PM

LOL at anyone who thinks they could work together effectively...

5/6/2008 9:25:19 PM

lol at anyone that thinks they wouldnt

5/6/2008 9:27:52 PM

it's my opinion that the hearing which marko posted is one of the most powerful and moving things I have ever seen

every time i see it it gives me a real sense of good in the world

5/6/2008 9:29:51 PM

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"Actually in NC unaffiliated voters are the only ones that have the option of 'crossover'. Otherwise you're locked into voting in the primary with the party you're registered as. But I see what you're saying,"

jbtilley

Um. . .yeah. Do you even know what Operation Chaos is?

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"Dubbing the effort 'Operation Chaos,' Limbaugh says he intends to continue to encourage his listeners to vote for whomever is behind in the Democratic primary, to sow chaos and disunity among Democrats during a divisive primary battle. Limbaugh then began to advocate that his Republican listeners vote for Clinton, something the rules of the Texas primary permitted. According to a county volunteer, one voter declared 'Rush Limbaugh sent me', another 'I am voting for Hillary Clinton but I want to see the Democrats implode,' and a great many others mentioning Limbaugh. In Ohio, Limbaugh similarly encouraged his listeners to re-register as Democrats and vote for Clinton. Although Ohio does not use an open primary, voters who change their registration must attest that they support the principles of the party to which they switch. About sixteen thousand Ohio Republicans switched parties for the election. The Cuyahoga County Board of Elections announced that, at the urging of Democrat Sandy McNair, the cross-overs would be investigated. Later, the Ohio Attorney General's office stated that it would be hard to prosecute anyone for falsifying a change of registration, because of the difficulty of proving a voter's fraudulent intent. Limbaugh has said that 'The dream end of this [of Operation Chaos] is that this keeps up to the Convention, and that we have a recreation of Chicago 1968 with burning cars, protests, fire, and literal riots and all of that, that is the objective here.'"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh

In any event, in order for me to "crossover," I would need to be crossing over from some party. As an unaffiliated voter, I can declare as I choose--no need for a crossover.

5/6/2008 9:45:29 PM

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"hahahahahahaha its like this thread is implying that POLITICS are supposed to be MORALLY ACCEPTABLE bwahahahah "

Maybe the system needs... change?

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"If you do not think voter fraud in general (happens/ has happened) in the US then you are an idiot. ohh i forgot we are a special country pure to the bone with the magic furor of democracy. "

Why do you hate America? I now question the judgement of the people that call themselves your friend.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 10:29 PM. Reason : ]

5/6/2008 10:27:13 PM

^ Ah, that magic word. . .

http://youtube.com/watch?v=C5O4ZGbWKaM

5/6/2008 10:29:47 PM

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"Democrats tried to disrupt the Republican process by voting for McCain in open primary states back in 2000. I doubt any of you were talking about what is moral and right then. "

Do there was a democrat talk show host with the reach and influence of Limbaugh, encouraging people to screw with the process?

5/6/2008 10:36:10 PM

I don't get it, what is the problem here?
Your party registration has little to nothing to do with your actual party preference. You can be a registered democrat and vote republican every single year. In fact, I don't see why more people don't register for the opposite party and help to screw up the opponen't's primaries. It's a much more effective tactic than voting up your own guy...

5/6/2008 10:42:10 PM

You seriously think there wasn't a grassroots effort within the Democratic Party in 2000 to disrupt the Republican nomination process?

Rush has somewhere between 20-25 million listeners nationwide, many of them in states that do not have open primaries. I'm sure it flatters him to think he has so much power...reminds me, in a way, of how some leftists paint Bush as an evil genius one minute and then a complete idiot the next...

Like I said, you can't get mad at people when they're simply playing by the rules. Besides, what truly matters here? I thought getting out the vote and "making your voice heard" is the most important thing. I didn't know people had to validate their reasons for voting too...

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 10:48 PM. Reason : ]

5/6/2008 10:47:28 PM

^ You're suppose to vote for someone that represents you, not try to game the system.

It's because of people like you that our legal system is so large and pervasive. You have no personal sense of ethics, and you don't care about the rule of law, or order, so we have to construct elaborate processes to weed out the dirtbags that don't want to play fairly.

It's one thing to recognize that the system is not fair, and never has been, but it's another then to embrace this aspect to make things worse.

5/6/2008 10:51:05 PM

LOL ethics? Get off your high horse. Don't get all uppity and angry because people are voting for the candidate that you do not support. And believe it or not, people in those states have every right to vote in whichever primary they choose, and they don't owe you a fucking explanation as to why.

5/6/2008 10:57:51 PM

^^

wow, that's a pretty sound argument right there

people who abuse the system are dirtbags

5/6/2008 11:00:18 PM

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" And believe it or not, people in those states have every right to vote in whichever primary they choose, and they don't owe you a fucking explanation as to why."

I know you're dense, but clearly we're not talking about the people that legitimately are voting for Clinton. We're talking about people voting for Clinton as an arm of "Operation Chaos," and you'd be a fool to presume they don't exist.

5/6/2008 11:03:11 PM

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"I don't get it, what is the problem here? ...In fact, I don't see why more people don't register for the opposite party and help to screw up the opponen't's primaries. It's a much more effective tactic than voting up your own guy..."

to that i'd say what moron just said ^^^^

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 11:05 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 11:05:13 PM

The problem is that I understand the system, and you can't get upset when people are simply playing by the rules. You're pissy that I'm not jumping on the bandwagon getting all uppity about it. The states have every right to decide who votes in their primaries, and if they don't like it they can change it. It's called the democratic process. And until that time people can vote for any reason they so choose without feeling the need to explain or validate their reasoning or method for voting, because people are free to choose without fear of recourse or discrimination. It's a novel concept I know, but I think it'll catch on.

I'm sorry that not everybody who voted in the democratic primary is a racist Wright worshipping Obama voting fanatic like you are, but hey, that's life.

5/6/2008 11:12:00 PM

Yeah, Republicans did this to my polygamist boy Mitt Romney earlier this year. All McCain supporters voted for Huckabee and Mitt lost the primary. It's cut throat, but what can you do.

5/6/2008 11:14:51 PM

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"The problem is that I understand the system, and you can't get upset when people are simply playing by the rules."

You can get upset. OJ Simpson was playing by the rules in court, wasn't he, yet people were still upset. Just because something is legal doesn't mean its right, or at least that's what people are saying in the other thread: http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=525041&page=1

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"I'm sorry that not everybody who voted in the democratic primary is a racist Wright worshipping Obama voting fanatic like you are, but hey, that's life. "

As long as they're not racist Helms-worshippers, they can vote for whoever they want.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 11:21 PM. Reason : ]

5/6/2008 11:20:10 PM

i believe that conservatives have a larger percentage of evil people in their ranks than liberals

EVIL PEOPLE

immoral dirtbags

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 11:22 PM. Reason : .]

5/6/2008 11:21:53 PM

LOL at moron...you can't be angry at Senator Helms if you believe he's basically as racist as you have shown yourself to be, but then again, it's been said that sometimes the things people hate the most about others they actually hate about themselves, so there ya go.

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"You can get upset. OJ Simpson was playing by the rules in court, wasn't he, yet people were still upset. Just because something is legal doesn't mean its right, or at least that's what people are saying in the other thread"

Sure get upset, try to change it, I don't really care either way. Like I said, it's up to the states to decide who votes in the primaries. But that doesn't change that people shouldn't have to give a reason for wanting to vote. That's entirely up to the individual and not for a know it all elitist individual to decide for them.



[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 11:31 PM. Reason : more]

5/6/2008 11:27:49 PM

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"That's entirely up to the individual and not for a know it all elitist individual to decide for them."

you know, you would like to think that this propagandistic bullshit word play doesn't trickle so easily to the masses

but it does

people are moronic fucking sheep

5/6/2008 11:34:38 PM

Wow. Just wow.

We should get out the nastoute thought police to protect the voters from themselves!!! The beauty of our system is that your right to vote is yours and yours alone. And to think that you're somehow advocating that the concept behind our democratic and basic right to vote is somehow propaganda is beyond me. Let me be the 1st to welcome nastoute to the United States. Take a civics class, you might learn something.

[Edited on May 6, 2008 at 11:40 PM. Reason : ]

5/6/2008 11:39:24 PM

yeah i dont get why the wlfpack4life guy is defending helms...like that guy was a known racist douche....i find it hypocritical that he would like helms and be so hateful toward the guy that turned obama into a christian

5/6/2008 11:43:12 PM

^ I don't know why you go around saying you want to rape people on this site and yet are allowed to remain, but hell what do I know.

5/6/2008 11:46:36 PM

SHIT!

I think Obama is about to win Indiana

5/7/2008 12:03:34 AM

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"On MSNBC, Tim Russert just reported that Hillary was scheduled to appear on the morning shows tomorrow. But, says Russert, she canceled all her appearances."

5/7/2008 12:21:23 AM

what's funny is that past elections the democrats did the same thing as operation chaos. oh but now they are saying we need to sign a pledge and promise to vote for people

ha! you'll get nothing but a big 'fuck you' if you try to find out who i'm voting for or make me pledge to vote for somebody

silly facist democrats.

5/7/2008 12:26:22 AM

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"LOL at moron...you can't be angry at Senator Helms if you believe he's basically as racist as you have shown yourself to be, but then again, it's been said that sometimes the things people hate the most about others they actually hate about themselves, so there ya go."

You can't be angry at Wright if you believe him to be a racist, since you admitted Helms is a racist, but call him your personal hero.

but you're right, like Helms, I do hate black people. It's the one thing about Obama that I don't like... his blackness.

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" Sure get upset, try to change it, I don't really care either way. Like I said, it's up to the states to decide who votes in the primaries. But that doesn't change that people shouldn't have to give a reason for wanting to vote. That's entirely up to the individual and not for a know it all elitist individual to decide for them. "

So do you support or not support someone, on a personal level, making the decision to instead voting for the person that democratically represents them, they try and screw with another party's process?

And no one's really asking (not in a meaningful way anyway) who they voted for and for what reason. It's actually the reason this problem will continue, because it's extremely difficult to prove in court what a voter's intent was without them admitting it. The issue is that people shouldn't try to cause chaos, because its wrong (as is implicit in the title of the operation).

^ in your view, if someone else does something wrong, it's okay? If you lived in New Orleans, you would have been right their looting with everyone else, right?

[Edited on May 7, 2008 at 12:28 AM. Reason : ]

5/7/2008 12:27:34 AM

Knowing that politics is immoral and unfair is completely different from wanting it to change. Men know that as they get older, their hair will probably fall out or turn gray... but doesn't mean they don't spend millions on Rogaine and hair dye. People wanting things to change has nothing to do with accepting how things are or have been.

Come on.

5/7/2008 12:37:29 AM

people want change every time theres an election, but its always the same shit

just cause some candidate talks about change, it doesnt mean shit

we've been down this road time and time again

5/7/2008 12:54:53 AM

^ so let's just give up right? Do we not even strive for greatness anymore?

5/7/2008 12:58:22 AM

dont hate just cause im a realist

i'm on the outside looking in on this whole process and this is what i see happening

again

5/7/2008 12:59:29 AM

Then be a part of doing something about it. Nothing will happen tomorrow, but who knows what can be accomplished over time. Make it reality.

[Edited on May 7, 2008 at 1:03 AM. Reason : s]

5/7/2008 1:03:25 AM

same thing i hear every 4 years

do what you do, but im gonna (not) do what i do

5/7/2008 1:05:46 AM

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"We must be the change we wish to see in the world. "

- Gandhi

Things don't change on their own. If everyone thought like that, then when women were complaining about rights, you'd be saying "oh but people can't change, this is just how things are" or when blacks wanted the right to vote "oh those blacks won't ever vote, that's just how it is." If you look at any movement, it starts somewhere, usually with someone talking about how they think something should change.

5/7/2008 1:12:41 AM

i'm not trying to tell anyone else what to do or what not to do

but some posts on tww arent going to make me all of a sudden have faith in the political process so you might as well not waste your time trying to convince me...i'll vote for president when i think theres a worthy candidate running

in the mean time i'll do what i always do which is simply adapt to whatever changes do occur

5/7/2008 1:20:02 AM

So you're saying you will not vote? If so, .

5/7/2008 1:43:24 AM