I always assumed most living creatures would rather absorb a low voltage shock a few times than be dead, but WTF do I know.

Conventional fences do not work on all dogs. Mine is six feet high and has 3" chicken wire around the bottoms and my smaller dog still escapes on occasion.

5/13/2008 10:35:03 AM

well i will say that my beef with that lady has jaded my opinion of the SPCA and i will not deal with them on any level again because of her....right or wrong....it just struck a nerve and i'll use another group if that situation ever arises again...

I'm in the livestock industry...it would be incredibly hypocritical for me to fault an organization that works to promote and provide animal welfare to pets when I am so adamant about it for livestock...

so by that very token....I have to be very aware of the things I say and the way I say it in order to get my point across and educate people about what we do without being a bitch about it....i'm not going to be able to educate or convince anyone that what we do is right by yelling at them and being hateful about it...

customer service (of any type and on any level) can make or break a business....and if that lady is the best the SPCA can find to represent them at the front desk to deal with people then I would imagine the rest of the group is much worse....



as for the electric fence....it's comparable to touching a hot stove eye...a kid does that once and probably won't do it again....running into an electric fence doesn't hurt nearly as bad as grabbing a stove eye and I've done both...

[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 10:38 AM. Reason : asdf]

5/13/2008 10:35:41 AM

Actually you're wrong. The child throws a fucking loud-ass temper tantrum. The dog listens, it may not understand the words but it gets the message. Also dogs are grateful, children take everything for granted and you have to listen to them whine about every-fucking-thing...

shall I continue

5/13/2008 10:37:17 AM

SPCA workers are underpaid county employees who have to kill puppies every day. Even Santa Claus would turn into an evil bitch if he worked that job.

5/13/2008 10:39:06 AM

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"SPCA workers are underpaid county employees who have to kill puppies every day. Even Santa Claus would turn into an evil bitch if he worked that job."

5/13/2008 10:43:59 AM

Well a kid might throw a temper tantrum, but it will still know why it is being punished. A dog isn't smart enough to put two and two together like that unless it is punished instantly.

5/13/2008 10:45:08 AM

there are a whole lot more kids that are abused and treated inhumanely in this country than there are animals....


when they start taking all those kids away from their messed up parents then, and only then, should caring and loving individuals be denied the right to have a puppy because of an electric fence

5/13/2008 11:07:19 AM

What kind of feel good assed logic is that? Go to Texas, it seems like some organization is attempting to do just that.

5/13/2008 11:14:27 AM

is "feel good" your phrase for today?

by 8th grade rules if you say it one more time you can claim ownership to it for the remainder of the day

5/13/2008 11:17:19 AM

SPCA workers are underpaid county employees who have to kill puppies every day. Even Santa Claus would turn into an evil bitch would quit after a couple hours.

5/13/2008 11:20:15 AM

Wake County SPCA employees are not county employees...

it's a private, non-profit organization...


the Wake County Animal Shelter is the county run office and those people were very nice

[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 11:28 AM. Reason : the animal shelter is also where the gas is used]

5/13/2008 11:26:43 AM

i just dont get the animal people sometimes. "declawing a cat is inhumane"
is that what you were thinking when you hacked off mrs jingles fucking nuts. bitch i think not

5/13/2008 11:29:13 AM

I'm so glad you showed up to bring your brilliant insight to this thread.

5/13/2008 11:31:25 AM

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"SPCA workers are underpaid county employees who have to kill puppies every day. Even Santa Claus would turn into an evil bitch if he worked that job. "

That is a great point. Im sure most of them got into it to help animals, but over time have to develop some emotional detachment and eventual hatred for what people do to animals.

I proudly support a local SPCA shelter that doesnt accept city funds, totally privately funded, so they dont kill animals due to space or time. They go to local shelters and take animals that are adoptable.

5/13/2008 11:35:21 AM

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"i just dont get the animal people sometimes. "declawing a cat is inhumane" is that what you were thinking when you hacked off mrs jingles fucking nuts. bitch i think not "

ahahahhahaha how can you possibly compare these two things?

5/13/2008 11:36:17 AM

^^the Wake County SPCA is a privately-funded, non-profit organization that told me if I leave a dog there he will be euthanized by the end of the day because they don't have room for him and I should take him to the Wake County Animal Shelter because they will take anything and won't kill it right away


[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 11:41 AM. Reason : did you even read the thread?]

5/13/2008 11:37:21 AM

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""SPCA workers are underpaid county employees who have to kill puppies every day. Even Santa Claus would turn into an evil bitch if he worked that job.""

The people that work the front do just that, they don't deal with the kennels. That's beside the point:

1) They tell the volunteers explicitly to be as nice as possible at all times. Even if someone is leaving an animal for no reason or a dumb reason.

2) When someone finds a lost or stray animal it can be very stressful, you can be helpful without being a bitch about it.

3) She should have AT LEAST offered to check for a microchip

[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 11:38 AM. Reason : b]

5/13/2008 11:37:35 AM

my parents declawed both of our cats...it was humane because had they clawed holes in the furniture they would have probably experienced a very inhumane death at the hands of my mother

5/13/2008 11:39:04 AM

no shit

5/13/2008 11:40:36 AM

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"is "feel good" your phrase for today? by 8th grade rules if you say it one more time you can claim ownership to it for the remainder of the day"

Yes, it won, vapid was a close second. You stupid whore. I gave you a specific example of authorities attempting to help abused children, and all you can do is bicker about my word choice? Die in a fiery car accident from swerving to miss a dog you cunt.

5/13/2008 11:44:39 AM

you just said "go to texas"


texas is a big state

[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 11:47 AM. Reason : and the tx spca didn't tell him he couldn't have a dog because of his electric fence]

5/13/2008 11:45:45 AM

Dog =/= Child
Comparing the learning methods of children to that of a dog is quite a stretch.

The SPCA and other organizations have these strict rules to prevent severe neglect and abuse cases. Unfortunately well-intentioned pet owners are often caught in their strict policies, such as quagmire02. There should be a more subjective and thorough review of the animals quality of life before it is simply removed and discarded. Shock collars aren't always the best solution but are generally effective in training dogs to stay within a perimeter.

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"If a dog is trained properly with an electric fence it will likely never even be shocked...the preliminary beep is often enough of a deterrent....."

Quote :

"I always assumed most living creatures would rather absorb a low voltage shock a few times than be dead, but WTF do I know. "

5/13/2008 11:47:09 AM

FLDS...~430 children. If you'd stop trying so hard to label me a troll and an idiot, you might not look so retarded.

5/13/2008 11:48:53 AM

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"There should be a more subjective and thorough review of the animals quality of life before it is simply removed and discarded."

Which goes back to the funding argument. Yes, in a perfect world we wouldn't have a dog and cat problem. But to get pissy at some sad person running the front desk of one of these underfunded organizations is just ignorant.

5/13/2008 11:50:30 AM

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"If you tell a child not to do something and take away their toys/cartoons/whatever if they disobey you, they will eventually listen to you. A dog's brain doesn't work the same way."

wooooooooooah. i beg to differ.
carter knows what to do and not to do.
seriously she probably has the intellegence of a 2 - 3 year old.

i'll tell you guys if she ever gets the intellegence of a kindergarder

ps. i hate spca

cody knows why



you have to go in there and just lie.


"this is my first pet. i have no others. i will keep it indoors and walk him at least 3 times a day. my significant other works i stay at home. no i have no kids. etc etc."



[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 11:54 AM. Reason : gggg]

5/13/2008 11:53:32 AM

Quote :

"^^the Wake County SPCA is a privately-funded, non-profit organization that told me if I leave a dog there he will be euthanized by the end of the day because they don't have room for him and I should take him to the Wake County Animal Shelter because they will take anything and won't kill it right away"

The difference is that that SPCA takes the city contract with the "dog catcher", so they have to keep a certain amount of space available for animals they bring in. That is how the other SPCA in my area functions. I have only recently come to understand the difference. The one I support has a waiting list, and will go to shelters to get animals if they have room. They have the right to turn away animals, the shelters with the city contracts dont have that option, so they have to make room.

Stella, actually the northeast has great animal laws which force you to get your pets fixed. There is a group that comes down to our area to get puppies, bc they dont have the overpopulation in the northeast. That shit would never fly down here, too many irresponsible people. I do think they can breed their animals, but have to have a license up there.

[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 11:57 AM. Reason : .]

5/13/2008 11:55:14 AM

dogs do very well with habits. if a dog isn't trained well, the owner isn't a good trainer.

poor puppies, why must we hurt teh animals? wat did day do?

[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 11:59 AM. Reason : .]

5/13/2008 11:59:27 AM

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"i just dont get the animal people sometimes. "declawing a cat is inhumane" is that what you were thinking when you hacked off mrs jingles fucking nuts. bitch i think not"

you realize they, essentially, cut off the cats toes to get rid of the nail right?

Quote :

"Contrary to most people's understanding, declawing consists of amputating not just the claws, but the whole phalanx (up to the joint), including bones, ligaments, and tendons! To remove the claw, the bone, nerve, joint capsule, collateral ligaments, and the extensor and flexor tendons must all be amputated. Thus declawing is not a “simple”, single surgery but 10 separate, painful amputations of the third phalanx up to the last joint of each toe. A graphic comparison in human terms would be the cutting off of a person's finger at the last joint of each finger."

5/13/2008 12:02:42 PM

My neighbor's Husky just had puppies. If you wanna wait for them to grow up and wean you can have one of those. There is a possibility for blue eyes! They're mutts.

5/13/2008 12:03:31 PM

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"you realize they, essentially, cut off the cats toes to get rid of the nail right?"

sure do...and it doesn't affect their ability to walk, or live inside (or outside, either, but if i had an outdoor cat, i wouldn't declaw it), so who cares?

5/13/2008 12:05:49 PM

^^^Declawing and Docking are unnatural, bordering on inhumane.

^^ My golden retriever 'Bright Eye' has one brown and one blue eye.

[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 12:06 PM. Reason : ]

5/13/2008 12:05:56 PM

a cat living in a house is unnatural...if we're going to diverge from nature, might as well make it pleasant for both parties, no?

5/13/2008 12:07:11 PM

i liked that user name a lot better when i used to post from it

5/13/2008 12:08:14 PM

I am not arguing with that. So is breeding dogs for specific purposes, (st. benards, bull dogs etc). Yet this is physically altering post birth for human desired traits.

5/13/2008 12:09:01 PM

i think that in a lot of cases, it's hard to use a blanket statement like "xxx is inhumane"...while there are obvious cases where it IS inhumane (using a cat for target practice, for instance), saying declawing is inhumane or electric fences are inhumane are really dependent on the circumstances...i don't think there's anything wrong with dogs bred for specific purposes (after all, look at cows), but if the purpose is "i like the way that one looks," then yes, i think it's silly

if the option is let my dog stay crated all day or running wild in traffic or getting the electric fence and letting her stay outside, which would be the most humane?

[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 12:13 PM. Reason : .]

5/13/2008 12:12:58 PM

no, declawing is just inhumane. i didnt think it was horrible until I read what they actually do to cats - i guess i kinda thought they pulled out their fingernails (painful as hell, but better than having the end of your toes cut off)

at least electric fences the dogs can learn to avoid the pain
how would you like it if someone cut off the first joint of all of your fingers and toes?? and then you tried to walk normally? and we don't walk on the tips of our fingers and toes like cats do

plus, there are other options than declawing:
-http://www.softpaws.com/
-keeping the nails trimmed
-actually having appropriate surfaces for the cat to scratch, since it is a natural behavior/need
-going to the effort of training the cat to use the surfaces it should, not your new couch

but the people that declaw are generally people who don't feel like doing any of that and would rather take the easy way out and get the cats claws removed.
im sure there are cases of cats that cannot be taught not to destructively scratch, and if the owner has tried everything else and its still a problem, then I could see declawing as a better alternative than dropping the cat off at the pound or euthanizing it

[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 12:24 PM. Reason : .]

5/13/2008 12:22:54 PM

Quote :

"i just dont get the animal people sometimes. "declawing a cat is inhumane" is that what you were thinking when you hacked off mrs jingles fucking nuts. bitch i think not"

Well if you were a Mrs with nuts, don't you think you would want them gone too?

Quagmire,
I understand living in a house is not natural, but a cat changes when it looses its claws. They feel helpless or defenseless in some ways. My roommate brought his to the apartment and they had to put it on anti-anxiety medicine for a year or so so it could get use to the shock. Usually the indoors doesn't have that much of a shock to cats.

[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 12:25 PM. Reason : ]

5/13/2008 12:23:53 PM

Quote :

"you realize they, essentially, cut off the cats toes to get rid of the nail right? "

yes i know. my cat stays inside and there for he should keep his nuts

5/13/2008 12:24:31 PM

this thread is full of [fail]

mostly from StellaArtois

does anyone on here actually like her?

5/13/2008 12:24:50 PM

^^if he wont have contact with an unspayed female cat, then sure, don't fix him
but then you have to deal with possible spraying issues

5/13/2008 12:25:48 PM

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"yes i know. my cat stays inside and there for he should keep his nuts"

have fun cleaning cat piss off of everything in your trailer.

5/13/2008 12:27:24 PM

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"how would you like it if someone cut off the first joint of all of your fingers and toes?? and then trying to walk normally?"

if i take to scratching holes in the furniture when there's a perfectly good scratching post (two, actually) that are available, i probably deserve it...please don't pretend like pets and people are the same thing...they're not, and it's a stupid comparison used by people who aren't thinking rationally

Quote :

"Quagmire, I understand living in a house is not natural, but a cat changes when it looses its claws. They feel helpless or defenseless in some ways. My roommate brought his to the apartment and they had to put it on anti-anxiety medicine for a year or so so it could get use to the shock. Usually the indoors doesn't have that much of a shock to cats."

i worked at a vet for six years and assisted in dozens of declaws (not to mention spays/neuters, and tumor removal surgeries)...we had those same cats in for checkups on a regular basis and sometimes they'd board with us...they seemed to do just fine (we never once had to issue medication for anything remotely related to anxiety)...unless you think that my dozens of experiences are equivalent to your one, i think i'll just go ahead and use my personal experiences to make a decision

i AGREE that it's not the BEST course of action, but it's by no means an "inhumane" one...their quality of life is not affected (if they're living exclusively indoors, which is the only reason to declaw IMO)

5/13/2008 12:29:52 PM

i had three cats that were de-clawed. two i found on the street.

they routinely asked me to kill them due to the pain (in cat language)

5/13/2008 12:29:53 PM

^^I wasn't saying mine was better, just offering another side.

5/13/2008 12:30:52 PM

^ my bad, then...i read your post as a "declawing is evil and you're going to hell for even considering it" kind of post

5/13/2008 12:32:24 PM

this is worse than SB

5/13/2008 12:33:29 PM

they wouldn't let my mom adopted a dog because they thought since she was a teacher she wouldn't be able to care for it enough... my mom raised dogs for years when she was younger... yet they wouldn't let her adopted one. But the best part is about 6months earlier they let my brother and 3 other college students adopted one... now that makes no fucking sense.

5/13/2008 12:34:12 PM

I'm saying its inhumane if you don't do your best to try and prevent the bad behavior in other ways first. If all other methods fail, and you've actually tried (!), then I agree that it is better than having the cat put down. The people that really bug me are the ones that preemptively declaw their cats, just in case.

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"please don't pretend like pets and people are the same thing...they're not, and it's a stupid comparison used by people who aren't thinking rationally"

i'm not, i'm just asking how you would like it if your fingers and toes were cut off at the first joint. its actually worse for a cat, because of how they walk, than a similar operation would be for a person. and its not like they cant feel pain just because they arent human.

[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 12:36 PM. Reason : ^you should be using adopt, not adopted, in every instance of that post]

5/13/2008 12:35:25 PM

Nope, if a person wants to declaw a cat, knock themselves out. It's better than leaving it there unadopted.

5/13/2008 12:36:10 PM

Fucking owning pets is inhumane. If you have a dog and have to shock the stupid motherfucker to get it to stay in your yard, you created the situation, you are the asshole. Don't act like you are SAVING THE ANIMALS because you enjoy having a dog and can justify causing it pain so that you can have a cool buddy to put bandannas on and play Frisbee with.

I am sure that dogs love living cramped in your lame assed apartment all day holding it's shit until you come home. You are all saints, pet owners.

5/13/2008 12:36:13 PM