"Support a party?"

I don't support the super delegate system. What, am I to jump ship over a difference in election rules?


Should I bring up the 2000 election if you want to discuss political parties taking advantage of awful election rules?

5/14/2008 9:32:23 AM

5/14/2008 9:32:40 AM

Sure, what was different in 2000 than the previous elections?

I just find it funny that people bitch about "the people's voice" and voting. Then when you dont like thier vote, call them names. Its also funny that your party has a system in place that will basically trump the voice of the people.

Why arent people calling for an end to super delegates?

5/14/2008 9:41:25 AM

Isnt it obvious that Hillary is just staying in, so she get out of that $20million debt her campaign is in?

5/14/2008 10:06:16 AM

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"Well considering this is probably the first generation that has not been severely limited by slavery and then Jim crow type widesread racist policy, of course a large % is still at the bottom."

sounds like excuses to me. My friend's parents were chinese peasants that came down to the US. 25 years later their son was going
to med school.

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"obama is for partial birth abortions "

I am pro-choice; but if you haven't made up your fucking mind by the 3rd tri-mester then you just need to have the kid.

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"obama is going to teach sex ed to kindergardeners"

Why do 5 yr olds need sex ed?? Think i started sex-ed at an age appropriate 5th grade

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"obama is going to give taxcuts to help combat high gas prices instead of attacking the way the markets are making prices much higher than supply and demand causes them to be or also making companies eat profits."

so he is going to reduce the federal tax on gas? thus eliminating money for roads and increase demand for gas. Ironically profits
for oil companies will go even higher as they can further raise gas prices to meet the increased demand.

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"If blue-collar is a synonym for poor and uneducated,"

blue-collar does not necessarily mean poor and uneducated. I think blue collar more as working class hourly waged worked with some sort
of technical degree or maybe just a high school diploma.

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"what was different in 2000 than the previous elections?"

Not every election does the brother of the presidential candidate just so happen to have executive authority via govenor in a state
where there exists voter irregularities. Jeb and Co. may not have necessarily broke the law but they definitly pulled string to sway the boat.

5/14/2008 10:07:55 AM

By "sex ed" at an early age, he discussed teaching kids about inappropriate touching. I didn't think it was that contraversial, at least for people that don't want to see kids molested.


I fail to see how Hilary is "more electable" b/c she wins the states that Democrats traditionally win. They would vote for any Democratic nominee barring something big like the party being split. The appeal of Obama is that he he may make states like Virginia, North Carolina, and Colorado more competitive.

Hilary may be the "safe" choice in that she is likely to win the same states that John Kerry won, but Obama is more likely to expand the constituency and transform the electoral map.

5/14/2008 10:55:04 AM

Hillary isn't the only candidate with the ability to draw swing voters as VP.

John Edwards--whose delegates are going to Obama, I hear--draws his own share of fence-riders, too.

5/15/2008 1:24:33 AM

I just wish she'd stop crying all the time and gather some composure. It doesn't speak well to me when she can be so affected and result to crying in almost any given situation.

5/15/2008 10:57:00 AM

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"Now, I'll play with your ignorance. "

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"Hillaries "

5/15/2008 1:43:00 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgySDqa8zgQ

5/15/2008 7:13:50 PM

wonder what terp thinks of the obama supporters in that video...if they're also dumb redneck yokels

5/15/2008 7:21:30 PM

^ they only showed 1 obama supporter in that video, and she could easily be dumb redneck obama supporter. But, compared to what I assume is her family/friends (why is she eating dinner with them?), she's a freaking genius.

5/15/2008 7:23:27 PM

She's had enough of Hussein.

If you can't win the presidency without winning WV, God Help the USA.

5/15/2008 8:00:08 PM

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"There has never been a better speaker than Obama"

Wait, what?

5/15/2008 10:13:25 PM

thirty. five. percent.

5/20/2008 11:51:59 PM

obama has done poorly in appalachia. that has been basically the whole thing. it's really nothing new.

hillary constantly harping on how he "can't win the hard-working white voters" hasn't really helped things much, i'm sure with people's idea that a black person is a viable candidate.

but, iirc, bill clinton only won something like 38% of the white vote in 1992 in the country.

5/20/2008 11:56:16 PM

^thats false about clinton and Obama isn't black. Bottom line is Obama can only win far liberal states. Maybe a few swing states but he is very pedestrian in the battleground states. So pedestrian that Mccain will beat him by a landslide due to many of the conservative democrats that are going Hillary or Mccain and people with moral values that simply won't do gay marriage and abortion. Its all over for mr Hussein.

5/21/2008 12:00:10 AM

it's going to be fun to see just how wrong you are in november.

5/21/2008 12:01:08 AM

You just don't get it do you? If you face mccain you've already conceded Florida, Michigan, West Virginia and Kentucky. So if the race is close Obama doesn't stand a chance but to even make it a close race Obama would have to win cal ny and pa all blue states of which he is extremely vulnerable in but can't afford to lose yet heavily hispanic. He isn't very strong in Ohio either. What you have to understand is Mccain has 80something percent of his party in almost every state with only around 10% in limbo. while Obama would have ~50% of HIS PARTY in limbo for the general election. Basically Obama would have to win all of those states and steal several reddish states like nc sc va ga to even stand a chance and even then nearly impossible to win a close race without the "racist states".

5/21/2008 12:25:27 AM

let's see how that stuff holds up when the democratic party stops fighting itself and starts fighting mccain and the republicans (which seems like a pretty easy target given what has happened to the economy/foreign policy under their watch).

5/21/2008 12:36:57 AM

You just proved a point i didn't even think to bring up. All you have is the George Bush argument. Well wake up because this is not w. not even close. McCain is a moderate republican and actually hated w(farrrr right) for a while.

5/21/2008 12:43:15 AM

voted for the war and supports tax cuts on the rich (which he originally opposed because of the war), the whole water-boarding issue, "bomb iran", his temper. i mean, i could go on and on.

he's not exactly a dream candidate for the republicans.

not to mention, john mccain did pretty poorly before the other republicans nominees knocked each other out.

he may not be hated by republicans, but i really doubt he'll get the voter turnout required. and oh yeah, who IS good at getting people to the polls? oh that's right, obama.

5/21/2008 12:48:31 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080521/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_florida

THIS is why they wanted her to drop out...title of the story is "clinton may take delegate fight to convention"

5/21/2008 4:17:56 PM

http://www.yahoo.com/s/890548

lol didnt read it but the headline is "clinton supporters to protest outside democratic rules meeting"

ha what a cunt

5/29/2008 9:48:09 PM

When her legal counsel said:

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""Mrs. Clinton has asked me to reserve her rights to take this to the credentials committee," "

That's when I knew why they wanted her to drop out. She's like a drowning person dragging whoever's near her down with her too.

5/31/2008 8:44:02 PM

another primary and another

THIRTY

POINT

WIN

6/1/2008 6:17:02 PM

get back to me when puerto rico can vote in a general election.

[Edited on June 1, 2008 at 6:19 PM. Reason : because hillary can't win the nomination anyway]

6/1/2008 6:18:56 PM

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"he may not be hated by republicans, but i really doubt he'll get the voter turnout required. and oh yeah, who IS good at getting people to the polls? oh that's right, obama."

Democrats have learned the lesson of Karl Rove--if you want to win the race, win the base.
If only they realized that 1) this strategy has only resulted in close elections like 2000 and 2004 and 2) the policies preferred by the radical segments of both parties are pretty damn stupid.

I miss Bill. Believe it or not, he was a true uniter that worked across party lines to get things done. Obama, on the other hand, has not stepped outside party lines as a Senator and probably won't as President. So much for '08.

6/1/2008 7:30:33 PM

hillary doesnt deserve to be the nominee for the simple fact that she didnt utilize reverend wright

6/1/2008 7:36:20 PM

^^^ Hey, at least the delusion involved in attributing electability to victory in the Puerto Rico primary is SLIGHTLY less severe than people who thought Ron Paul was a contender because he did so well on internet polls.

6/1/2008 11:08:50 PM

^ The question is about who has the popular vote in the Democratic Party primary. Since Puerto Rico is included in the primary (though their votes don't count in the general), they should not be ignored. And guess what? Her huge win in Puerto Rico gives her the lead in several popular vote metrics.

At this point, there is nothing in the rule books to tell the super delegates how to vote. The Obama-ites think they should vote based on who is leading the delegate count, but there is really nothing in the bylaws to make that the official metric. The Clinton-ites think they should vote based on who is leading in the popular vote, but there is really nothing in the by laws to make that the official metric.

[Edited on June 2, 2008 at 4:31 AM. Reason : ``]

6/2/2008 4:17:43 AM

yo its all good...clinton just needs like 190 of the remaining 208 delegates if her and obama split the next 2 states 50/50

6/2/2008 5:04:41 AM

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"another primary and another THIRTY POINT WIN"

Seriously. She wins the ¿states? that matter. With her winning all these contests by a 30 point margin one begins to wonder how Obama ever got ahead in the delegate count.

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"Clinton won 68 percent of the vote compared with Obama's 32 percent. Her vote tally was 263,120; his was 121,458."

Movin' on up.

6/2/2008 7:31:32 AM

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"one begins to wonder how Obama ever got ahead in the delegate count. "

b/c the DNC made stupid rules and is on the verge of repeating what happened in the general election in 2000, but doing it within their own party

the only reasons they gave the half votes to Florida and Michigan is because Florida keeps getting the shaft when it comes to voting for something and having their votes count--whether its florida's fault or not

6/2/2008 9:29:34 AM

^^ haha Puerto Rico as a "state that matters"

6/2/2008 9:58:54 AM

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"several popular vote metrics."

6/2/2008 12:40:14 PM

Obama is a dying candidate. He was doing well before people learned that he doesn't want to hlep gas prices and how he will sellout his own grandmother and preacher just to try to win. Hillary will have the pop vote. If they nominate Obama just because they like him better it will be a huge conspiracy when the people have chosen Hillary. That hasn't happened in a very long time. Barring a complete meltdown on tuesday, Hillary wins.

6/2/2008 12:44:15 PM

^you seem to know very little if nothing about politics my friend. Hillary is done whether people like it or not.

6/2/2008 12:46:37 PM

You know what, Hillary-ites can go on and leave the DNC if they hate it so much.

We'd be better off without the shrill/frothy demographic.

6/2/2008 12:49:17 PM

^^^

i completely agree with you.

obama has pretty much made females and religion the new global warming of the democratic party. aka, more things that need to be fixed.

[Edited on June 2, 2008 at 12:52 PM. Reason : ^^^]

6/2/2008 12:52:36 PM

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"b/c the DNC made stupid rules and is on the verge of repeating what happened in the general election in 2000, but doing it within their own party "

Winner-take-all is what happened in 2000. Proportional representation is not winner-take-all. I wish the clintonites would actually come up with real talking points.

6/2/2008 12:53:25 PM

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"Winner-take-all"

Winner-take-all is exactly what is going to happen when they pick a D presidential candidate. what the heck are you tangenting for mr nuts?

6/2/2008 12:55:01 PM

Are you thoroughly incapable of following the flow of a conversation. Do you have some special attachment that prevents you from reading what is in the quote boxes?

6/2/2008 12:56:15 PM

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"You know what, Hillary-ites can go on and leave the DNC if they hate it so much. We'd be better off without the shrill/frothy demographic."

-Boone

Let's hope the Dems keep this attitude come November.

Fuck California, Fuck New York, Fuck Pennsylvania, Fuck Rhode Island! The Dems can win without those ignorant/racist backwater states!!!

6/2/2008 1:01:51 PM

^^

good job.

you are saying that proportional representation, on whatever scale will NOT result in 1 winner from all this

no i do not subscribe to this logic. we people here in the technology field are about comprehension and progress, not whining and making excuses and shortcuts like you and your candidate do.

\/ let me guess, you also believe obama is going to win by a landslide in ohio and florida too? lol

[Edited on June 2, 2008 at 1:05 PM. Reason : \/]

6/2/2008 1:04:04 PM

^^Wow, you just picked four states, won by Hillary, that there is no evidence to suggest they will be lost in November by any Democratic nominee to suggest that Hillary is the better candidate.

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"you are saying that proportional representation, on whatever scale will NOT result in 1 winner from all this"

Amazing. You have come up with that one piece of the puzzle everyone had been missing out on for the past 18 months. Bravo, you are the smartest person in the world.

Are you seriously that stupid?

[Edited on June 2, 2008 at 1:05 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on June 2, 2008 at 1:05 PM. Reason : .]

6/2/2008 1:04:13 PM

^the states obama has won are mccain states or just plain far liberal states.

obama journalists get ripped
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YPhvg0RfMkM

tell me the last time a nominee lost the popular vote?

you don't know politics

[Edited on June 2, 2008 at 1:07 PM. Reason : get some purple states then call me]

6/2/2008 1:05:28 PM

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"Are you seriously that stupid?"

like i said, we're about progress and getting it done. we don't have to bitch and moan to waste space like this example does.

6/2/2008 1:07:01 PM

Tell me who has the popular vote, it ain't hillary.

The popular vote argument is specious and flawed from the get go, since states like Nevada, Washington, Iowa, Maine do not report the actual vote at the precincts, only which candidate won the precinct.

This isn't Calvinball, you don't get to change the rules as the game progresses.

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"get some purple states then call me"

Maybe you haven't heard of us, we are Wisconsin, Minnesota, Virginia, Colorado. We are purple states.

^your comment was not even germane to anthing part of this discussion

[Edited on June 2, 2008 at 1:17 PM. Reason : .]

6/2/2008 1:07:39 PM

you're just making excuses. lol

[Edited on June 2, 2008 at 1:10 PM. Reason : .]

6/2/2008 1:09:33 PM