And you might want to read some history from this century and the last century.

Also, Hooksaw, do you have anything germane to post in this thread? Or are your going to continue to copy-and-past shit that has nothing to do with Chris Matthews interaction with James King?

5/19/2008 9:58:14 AM

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"And you might want to read some history from this century and the last century."

Before or after 1979?

5/19/2008 10:13:22 AM

especially after 1979. If you took the time to actually read the information, you might be massively surprised.

there is a reason why Persian Jews refuse money (paid by an American Jew) to expatriate to Israel or the US

5/19/2008 10:52:23 AM

don't pic bomb

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 7:50 PM. Reason : -duke]

5/19/2008 10:57:57 AM

quit being such a baby.

5/19/2008 11:04:14 AM

You are acting like a little child, grow-up.

5/19/2008 11:37:41 AM

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"How many sanctions have been passed against Iran from the UN, yet they defy them."

Are you even aware of how many resolutions there are against Israel from the UN? Many of which never result in sanctions because the power players choose not to press for it? Heres a short list

Quote :

" UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992 1. Resolution 106: "... 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid" 2. Resolution 111: "...'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people" 3. Resolution 127: "...'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem" 4. Resolution 162: "...'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions" 5. Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria" 6. Resolution 228: "...'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control" 7. Resolution 237: "...'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees" 8. Resolution 248: "... 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan" 9. Resolution 250: "... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem" 10. Resolution 251: "... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250" 11. Resolution 252: "...'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital" 12. Resolution 256: "... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation"" 13. Resolution 259: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation" 14. Resolution 262: "...'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport" 15. Resolution 265: "... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan" 16. Resolution 267: "...'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem" 17. Resolution 270: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon" 18. Resolution 271: "...'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem" 19. Resolution 279: "...'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon" 20. Resolution 280: "....'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon" 21. Resolution 285: "...'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon" 22. Resolution 298: "...'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem" 23. Resolution 313: "...'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon" 24. Resolution 316: "...'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon" 25. Resolution 317: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon" 26. Resolution 332: "...'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon" 27. Resolution 337: "...'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty" 28. Resolution 347: "...'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon" 29. Resolution 425: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon" 30. Resolution 427: "...'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon' 31. Resolution 444: "...'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces" 32. Resolution 446: "...'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention" 33. Resolution 450: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon" 34. Resolution 452: "...'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories" 35. Resolution 465: "...'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program" 36. Resolution 467: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon" 37. Resolution 468: "...'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return" 38. Resolution 469: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians" 39. Resolution 471: "... 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention" 40. Resolution 476: "... 'reiterates' that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'" 41. Resolution 478: "...'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'" 42. Resolution 484: "...'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors" 43. Resolution 487: "...'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility" 44. Resolution 497: "...'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith" 45. Resolution 498: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon" 46. Resolution 501: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops" 47. Resolution 509: "...'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon" 48. Resolution 515: "...'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in" 49. Resolution 517: "...'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon" 50. Resolution 518: "...'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon" 51. Resolution 520: "...'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut" 52. Resolution 573: "...'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters 53. Resolution 587: "...'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw" 54. Resolution 592: "...'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops" 55. Resolution 605: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians 56. Resolution 607: "...'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention 57. Resolution 608: "...'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians" 58. Resolution 636: "...'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians 59. Resolution 641: "...'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians 60. Resolution 672: "...'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount 61. Resolution 673: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations 62. Resolution 681: "...'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians 63. Resolution 694: "...'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return 64. Resolution 726: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians 65. Resolution 799: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return. "

Also, sanctions aren't really defied as they aren't agreed upon by the group receiving the restrictions. If you mandate I can't drive my car until you say so, yet I continue to do so I'm not doing anything wrong since you don't have jurisdiction over me.


Also, Iran never said they wanted to wipe israel off the map. look at the actual speech, the words for israel and map are no where in there. It was a mistranslation that came because reporters read the initial transcript of the IRNA and never bothered to do an actual translation of their own, this initial translation was later corrected as it did not represent what was actually spoke. "wipe off the map" is an english colloquialism that wouldn't even exist in persian.


as for the treatment of religious minorities in Iran, their more beneficial treatment when compared to countries in the same region doesn't make it 'good' necessarily, but their religious tolerance and treatment or various religious groups is top notch, especially when compared to another country in the region, israel.

5/19/2008 11:46:25 AM

Iran president calls Israel a 'stinking corpse'

Quote :

"TEHRAN- Iran's hardline president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday called Israel a 'stinking corpse' which is doomed to disappear as the Jewish state celebrated its 60th anniversary. 'Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken,' Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by the official IRNA news agency. 'Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation, he said. Ahmadinejad added that Israel 'has reached the end like a dead rat after being slapped by the Lebanese' -- a reference to the July-August 2006 war between Israel and the Shiite Hezbollah militia. Iran does not recognise the Jewish state, and since becoming president in 2005 Ahmadinejad has repeatedly provoked international outrage by predicting that Israel is doomed to disappear. He has also caused controversy by playing down the scale of the Holocaust."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Israel_a_stinking_corpse_Iran_president/articleshow/3021943.cms

Who would like to defend those offensive comments? BTW, the word "rat" is a well-known slur against Jews.

5/19/2008 12:05:36 PM

how is this NOT suspend-worthy for twista?

5/19/2008 12:05:47 PM

Quote :

"how is this NOT suspend-worthy for twista ssjamind?"

fixed

5/19/2008 12:09:57 PM

well, you're obviously sabotaging a thread. regardless of whether you think that thread is worthy of being here, you're sabotaging a thread.

5/19/2008 12:14:07 PM

sorry i'm not allowing you to have a properly formatted debate on a serious topic like whether or not chris matthews pwnt somebody in a video

5/19/2008 12:15:03 PM

Since when did Rat become a slur against jews?

5/19/2008 12:15:18 PM

^^see, it's the fact that you feel it's your place to decide what threads have "worthy" discussion that put you in the wrong.

5/19/2008 12:16:35 PM

i wouldnt care about this stupid ass discussion if it was either in chit chat, or didnt have my name in the thread title

but as it currently is, its a TSB thread with my name in the title and nothing to do with me

5/19/2008 12:19:05 PM

If you don't like the thread, don't read it.

but we are currently having a discussion about the State of Iran that you keep fucking up with your childish irrational behavior. Grow the fuck up.

5/19/2008 12:22:07 PM

1. recreate this thread in TSB without my name in the title (since as it is, its against tww posting guidelines)

or

2. get a mod to move it to chit chat (since thats the place for this thread anyway)

other than that, fuck off

5/19/2008 12:26:16 PM

shut the fuck up sarijoul. if anybody needs to get suspended its you for being a dumb ass in here and bttt this thread every 3 minutes.

5/19/2008 1:20:40 PM

^ Agreed.

Quote :

"Since when did Rat become a slur against jews?"

nutsuckr

Context, context, context. You know, I find it damned peculiar that some of you fuckers howl about, say, Reverend Wrong being "taken out of context," yet you can't even seem to grasp the concept of context. And I don't give a fuck if you were joking--the post at issue was a serious one.

I ask again: Who would like to defend the following offensive comments?

Iran president calls Israel a 'stinking corpse'

Quote :

"TEHRAN- Iran's hardline president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday called Israel a 'stinking corpse' which is doomed to disappear as the Jewish state celebrated its 60th anniversary. 'Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken,' Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by the official IRNA news agency. 'Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation, he said. Ahmadinejad added that Israel 'has reached the end like a dead rat after being slapped by the Lebanese' -- a reference to the July-August 2006 war between Israel and the Shiite Hezbollah militia. Iran does not recognise the Jewish state, and since becoming president in 2005 Ahmadinejad has repeatedly provoked international outrage by predicting that Israel is doomed to disappear. He has also caused controversy by playing down the scale of the Holocaust."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Israel_a_stinking_corpse_Iran_president/articleshow/3021943.cms

5/19/2008 2:05:03 PM

what was with that blatant insult hurled in my direction? Can you make a comment in a thread taht isn't rife with ad hominems?

And in the context, there is nothing there to suggest that rat is an anti-semitic statement.

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 2:09 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2008 2:06:57 PM

^^^i'm curious how i've been an dumbass in this thread, or how my (now 5) responses to this thread are particularly significant when plenty of others have said far more.

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 2:10 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2008 2:09:46 PM

Quote :

" stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime"

He doesn't feel israel to be the nation to govern the land of which it is in possession. thats why he calls it a fake regime. the stinking corpse thing is just name calling, which people of all groups do all the time. while i agree that its not good diplomacy, i don't think theres anything particularly wrong of offensive about him saying that. his opinion is israel poisons the region and thus acts like a 'stinking corpse'. while one doesn't ahve to agree with him, its not necessarily hard to understand from where it is he is coming, with a statement like that.

Quote :

"Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation, he said. "

It is being questioned. A lot of people are questioning it. From middle easterners, to russians, to people in europe, and even your common person in the united states. this isn't exactly new information. also, i take annihilation to mean it will have an end and irreparable harm will come to it, though, not necessarily through premeditated military action.

Quote :

"Israel 'has reached the end like a dead rat "

for all that speak about context you clearly don't understand what is going on here. They've reached the end [a finalization and stopping point] like a dead <insert anything that you despise and others do as well here>

I don't necessarily agree with all he has said, but my employing some rudimentary thought it is easy to clearly see and understand what was being said and why.

5/19/2008 2:21:43 PM

^^^ How is nutsuckr an insult to you?

In any event, anytime that "rat" and "Jews" are used together, it is a slur. I find it absolutely astonishing that you would defend the use of the word and a sick individual like Ahmadinejad. It just shows that your outrage is highly selective, to say the least.



This is just one of many extremely offensive cartoons and images depicting Jews as rats. You need to educate yourself about the history of and current persecution of Jews.

^ Then you're a fucking idiot, too.

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 2:37 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2008 2:35:41 PM

You are probably the angriest person to post on this website.

But why don't you post some evidence that actually suggest rat is a slur against the jews.

searching the large list of racial and religious slurs does not show rat to be a slur towards the jews.
The only time is when Jew and Rat are combined together to create one word, jew rat. otherwise, there is no suggestion that the usage of rat by itself is a slur against the jews.
More so, the imagery of Israel being depicted as a rat is just like any other depiction of an unscrupulous or despised person or groups of people in art and movies
(American Tale as an example). In no such way can this be considered a slur,
unless you are the sort of person that cannot separate Israel from Jewry.

I find your attempts to insult me to be rather ironic considering how you jump up and down, stamp your feet, and cry whenever someone insults you. For being the oldest person to post on this site, you are one of the least mature.

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 2:49 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2008 2:47:30 PM

Rat is a slur against jews.

You are talking to one. So stfu now. not later. now.

5/19/2008 2:52:52 PM

a jew or a rat?

5/19/2008 2:53:33 PM

I'm a poll skewing free market republican rat

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 3:09 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2008 2:56:32 PM

It can't be much of a slur since you have decided to use it as your username.

5/19/2008 3:00:48 PM

Quote :

"For being the oldest person to post on this site, you are one of the least mature."

precisely how i feel about it.


also didn't find rat at all in here

http://www.rsdb.org/

doesn't mean its not the case, but its not there. i highly doubt that the term jews are juxtaposed with rats often enough for the comparison to be viewed as a 'slur'

5/19/2008 3:01:40 PM

Quote :

"It can't be much of a slur since you have decided to use it as your username."

wow.

[honestly though, it's as bad as these]->

NIGGER CUNT
NIGGER INNIS
Nigger69

5/19/2008 3:08:44 PM

all of which are troll names.

Not the same.

5/19/2008 3:10:50 PM

i think he was implying since you alluded to the fact that you are a jew, which i'm not sure if you are or are not. i will say this, i have never heard that slur, but there are probably slurs for all groups that they aren't aware exist for them e.g. canadians for black people.

all that aside. i think if amhadinejad wanted to make a point and use a slur openly then he would have been much more direct and used one that would have struck a larger cord.

5/19/2008 3:12:48 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=441338&page=1#9502310

[Edited on October 29, 2006 at 4:20 PM. Reason : don't pic bomb--theDuke866]


theDuke866 suspended me for pic-bombing a retarded 9/11 conspiracy thread.

boonedocks is still suspended-- over a year and a half later.

I'll bet you anything tree won't be suspended, though.

5/19/2008 3:18:56 PM

as far as i'm concerned this thread has treetwistas name in the title which makes it fair game for whatever he feels like until the duke trashes it or what not

5/19/2008 3:21:38 PM

^^was your name in that thread title? no? have i EVER pic-bombed any threads that didnt have my name in the title? no? are you whining again like you always do? yes?

^exactly

Quote :

"1. recreate this thread in TSB without my name in the title (since as it is, its against tww posting guidelines) or 2. get a mod to move it to chit chat (since thats the place for this thread anyway) other than that, fuck off "

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 3:27 PM. Reason : quote]

5/19/2008 3:23:34 PM

^x11

Quote :

"Once Hitler took control of the government, the Nazis shifted the focus of their propaganda from the uselessness of the Weimar Republic and electing Hitler to power, to educating German society about the evils of the Jewish race. The propaganda first compared Jews as rats, and then proposed a solution to getting rid of the rats/Jews."

http://www.nsula.edu/scholars/Alumni/Thesis/Thesisabstracts/HSTtheses/nahmens.html

Quote :

"Goebbels's ministry made films of fake discoveries about Aryan history, with proof of their authenticity being provided by historians who supported the Nazi cause. These films were designed to show that the superior cultural past of the Aryan race had become corrupted by the influence of lesser races such as the Jews and Slavs. Such films were shown all over Germany to convince the German people that they were the master race as preparation for war with what the Nazi's claimed were lesser peoples. At the same time negative messages were being spread about the Jews. Films showed the Jews as rats carrying a plague waiting to devour Germany. Adolf Hitler's speeches claiming a world-Jewish conspiracy to destroy Germany were reported as fact by Nazi-controlled newspapers and radio stations. Signs banning Jews from many facilities in German cities were taken down during the 1936 Berlin Olympic Games, as part of the Nazis' propaganda initiative to charm the world. However, once the eyes of the world's press were away from Germany, the persecution of the Jews increased."

http://www.thehistorychannel.co.uk/site/encyclopedia/article_show/propaganda/m0096889.html

Nazi proaganda film comparing Jews to rats:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwsySS2EzgU

You really need to educate yourself. Any cartoonist worth his or her salt can tell you that Jews depicted as rats has been a part of hate-filled propaganda for generations--PM marko if you won't believe me.

^x 11 and ^x7 Frankly, your stupidity is astonishing.

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 3:31 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2008 3:24:12 PM

So Warren T. Rat was just a stand-in for a Jew in American Tale? I wonder how that got past Stephen Speilberg.

Rat are used as a stand-in for any vermin, you have just decided to phixate on the times it was used for the Jews.

Why not talk about rats as informants, or strike busters...

Oh that's right, it doesn't fit your little nuanced statement on it. This is the same bullshit people used against Mike Easley when he called Rocky a pansy.

Next time I see you complain about people insulting you instead of posting on the subject I will just laugh and point to these posts.

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 3:36 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2008 3:29:12 PM

"was your name in that thread title?"

That's the thing, though.

This was a legitimate thread as far as discussion goes.

It wasn't even aimed directly at you.

I don't see why you have to be such a baby about these sorts of things.

There's a reason why this sort of thing frequently happens.

And it has nothing to do with ideology.

5/19/2008 3:32:54 PM

liberals: arguing bullshit topics since 1776.

5/19/2008 3:34:39 PM

Quote :

"This was a legitimate thread as far as discussion goes."

really? here are some of the first comments

"IBTLOL"

"That was somewhat entertaining"

"hahaha, that was pretty damn funny"

this is legitimate discussion to you?

or perhaps you argue that the thread turned into a legitimate discussion

hey maybe i should start a thread called "Boone sucks cock, Obama debates Clinton" and then we can turn it into a serious discussion...
even if my only contribution to the thread is the first post, which is nothing but a youtube link to a video with (at least) 2 idiots talking
at the same time

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 3:40 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2008 3:37:54 PM

Quote :

"or perhaps you argue that the thread turned into a legitimate discussion"

PERHAPS

(getting to page 3)

5/19/2008 3:39:32 PM

treetwista did u even see the chit chat thread that inspired this?

5/19/2008 3:39:56 PM

i dunno

v suspend for padding

5/19/2008 3:40:35 PM

.

5/19/2008 3:41:28 PM

^x8 You do this every fucking time you get your ass handed to you here. Your posts continually devolve, one idiotic line after another.

Seriously, I think your brain is damaged in some way or diseased. There is something really wrong with you.

I have given more than enough evidence to prove my point to any rational person or persons. As I indicated, if you refuse to believe me, PM marko--I'll guarantee that being the history buff he is, he can confirm this well-known fact for you and the other simpletons here.

And concerning your allegations about me, why is nutsuckr an insult? It is my understanding that you're attracted to male genitalia--and that's fine. Are you ashamed of something?

You may refer to me as pussyeater anytime you like. I won't be offended in the least.

[Edited on May 19, 2008 at 3:43 PM. Reason : .]

5/19/2008 3:42:36 PM

5/19/2008 3:47:17 PM

/message_topic.aspx?topic=526581

5/19/2008 3:48:12 PM

This is why having a discussion with you is nigh impossible.

It has been shown that the usage of a rat as a symbol is used for any vermin that is the enemy.

The fact that it does not appear in the long list of racial slur dictionaries, shows that the sole connection between Jews and rats in terms of a slur are nearly non-existent.

Furthermore, you have shown yourself to be incapable of having any discussion in this website with me, without referring to me as nutsuckr. You are like a child.

You have shown, if anything, that age is not a sign of maturity. Grow up.

5/19/2008 3:49:59 PM

hooksaw is correct, the nazi's used rats/disease (as well as cockroaches and stray dogs) in their propaganda to refer to the jews.

however, i wouldn't consider it a racial slur along the lines of other commonly known ones, and i seriously doubt any (sensible) jews would either.

5/19/2008 3:52:49 PM

i think nutsmacker is having his man period today. be gentle with him.

5/19/2008 3:54:00 PM