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8/7/2008 9:57:05 PM

8/7/2008 10:38:45 PM

watch it turn out to be a dud.

8/7/2008 10:52:09 PM

Watch it turn out to create a black hole inside of Smath74's closet.

8/8/2008 3:21:11 PM

When Higgs called the particle the "god particle", he really wanted to call it the "god damn particle". Publisher wouldnt allow it. His reasoning was that the particle was such a pain in the ass to find, it was an apt name for it.

8/10/2008 2:15:09 AM

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"I am excited about this. I can't wait to find out what can be learned from this experiment. "

I bet that they learn they need to build a BIGGER collider.

I'm sure lots of knowledge is to be gained, but to think this has any chance at coming close to unlocking the secrets of the universe is HIGHLY optimistic to me.

I would like to know what makes mass though, that keeps me up at night.

8/10/2008 2:20:59 AM

millions of people are starving and dying from lack of clean drinking water around the globe and these folks wanna build some machine that will have no effect on day-to-day life

why can't some people be happy with just not knowing how some stuff works? oh, that's right, then all these theoretical physicists would be out of a job.

flame on physics nerds

8/10/2008 11:35:10 AM

One of the by-products of the LHC is that clean drinking water is nearly instantaneously teleported to thirsty babies in Africa. Didn't you know?

8/10/2008 11:45:24 AM

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"millions of people are starving and dying from lack of clean drinking water around the globe "

so let them die. We don't owe them anything.

8/10/2008 5:56:09 PM

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"millions of people are starving and dying from lack of clean drinking water"

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"why can't some people be happy with just not knowing how some stuff works?"

Perhaps because scientific curiosity taught us the importance of clean water as a preventative measure against infectious diseases. (As opposed to the righteous wrath of an angry god against the unclean).


Fixing world starvation isn't a simple function of spending money in poor places. It will require internal societal shifts, not just shiny new equipment. Might as well spend this money on people who will use it.

8/10/2008 6:46:13 PM

Obligatory

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"God is not just something invented by man to explain things."

8/10/2008 6:57:04 PM

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"millions of people are starving and dying from lack of clean drinking water around the globe and these folks wanna build some machine that will have no effect on day-to-day life"

Because the nicest thing we can do is let them die.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Malthus

8/10/2008 7:09:59 PM

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"The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race. The vices of mankind are active and able ministers of depopulation. They are the precursors in the great army of destruction, and often finish the dreadful work themselves. But should they fail in this war of extermination, sickly seasons, epidemics, pestilence, and plague advance in terrific array, and sweep off their thousands and tens of thousands. Should success be still incomplete, gigantic inevitable famine stalks in the rear, and with one mighty blow levels the population with the food of the world."

8/10/2008 7:53:38 PM

I have seen this thread for months, and this is the first time i realized that it didn't say "Hardon"

8/10/2008 8:01:50 PM

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"Perhaps because scientific curiosity taught us the importance of clean water as a preventative measure against infectious diseases. (As opposed to the righteous wrath of an angry god against the unclean). Fixing world starvation isn't a simple function of spending money in poor places. It will require internal societal shifts, not just shiny new equipment. Might as well spend this money on people who will use it."

Amen, bro.

I look forward to seeing what comes from the LHC*.

*Assuming it doesn't kill us all.

(j/k )

8/10/2008 8:03:06 PM

WE GOT PROTONS HERE

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/35386

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"Physicists at the CERN laboratory near Geneva are starting the week with a spring in their steps, having successfully injected the first protons into the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) over the weekend. The test saw protons travelling 3 km through one of the LHC’s eight sectors, which bodes well for the start-up proper on September 10. “There are lot of very happy people here today,” says CERN spokesperson James Gillies. “The test couldn’t have gone better.” The main purpose of the injection test was to synchronize the LHC with the smaller accelerators that will feed it with protons. When the machine is up and running, pulsed magnets have to “kick” the proton bunches from one accelerator into another with nanosecond precision. At 15:20 on Friday, a small bunch of protons was successfully kicked out of the Super Proton Synchrotron (SPS) using a pulsed magnet and sent down a 2.7 km-long transfer line towards the LHC. Then at 21:40, after a few hours spent optimizing the process, one bunch was kicked out of the transfer line into the LHC where — to the surprise of many — it travelled about 3 km until it was stopped by a screen (see image). “The passage of the beam first time caused some excitement in the control room, and champagne was rolled out,” machine operator Roger Bailey told physicsworld.com. “We expected to have to thread the protons round using position detectors and local correction magnets, but now we know that the fields and polarities of several hundred superconducting magnets are pretty much okay.” The test was repeated several times on Saturday, giving the operations team lots of data to help make the start-up as smooth as possible. A similar test for protons in the other (counter clockwise) direction is planned for the weekend of August 22. Start up fever In its search for new fundamental particles, the LHC will produce the highest energy densities ever created in a lab. But the project has not been a smooth ride, with inevitable technical problems and cost overruns that have forced the machine to slip at least five years behind schedule. Now, after nigh-on three decades — half of which has been spent building the CHF6bn collider and its four gargantuan detectors — CERN is on the finishing stretch. Almost all of the 1600 superconducting magnets that will guide the protons around the LHC ring have been cooled to their operating temperature of 1.9 K. The next step is some 1400 hardware and electrical tests that must be performed over the next few weeks until the machine is finally ready to go on September 10. [Advertisement] On the start-up day itself, the 24/7 operations team will attempt to thread a single, low-intensity bunch containing a few billion protons all the way around the 27 km circumference of the LHC. Following that they will do the same in the other direction, taking perhaps a few days in total. Then they will adjust magnets so that the protons can circulate happily for periods of hours without veering off course. Next, strong focussing magnets will bring the counter-rotating beams into collision at the LHC's four interaction points (requiring the beam to be configured in four bunches). Initially the beams will have an energy of 450 GeV (the energy at which protons are injected from the SPS), producing 900 GeV collisions. But the target this year is to provide record-breaking 10 TeV collisions (5 TeV per beam) with 43 bunches each containing a few tens of billion protons. If all goes well, the first LHC data could be streaming out of the experiments just in time for the official LHC inauguration on October 21. The LHC will be shut down for the winter, during which time the main bending magnets will be “trained” to handle beams at the full energy of 7 TeV (producing 14 TeV collisions) in March or April 2009. When the machine is running at full whack, nearly 3000 bunches each containing up to 100 billion protons could be hurtling around in each direction, producing half a billion collisions every second. Picking through the debris, physicists hope to find traces of particles such as the Higgs boson — which would complete the standard model of particle physics — or even more exotic entities such as black holes and extra dimensions. However, it will likely take at least a year for physicists to amass enough data and to understand their detectors well enough to be sure what they’re seeing is real."

8/13/2008 12:42:34 PM

so when do they do the thing wot kills us all, then?

8/13/2008 12:59:05 PM

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"The LHC will be shut down for the winter, during which time the main bending magnets will be “trained” to handle beams at the full energy of 7 TeV (producing 14 TeV collisions) in March or April 2009. When the machine is running at full whack, nearly 3000 bunches each containing up to 100 billion protons could be hurtling around in each direction, producing half a billion collisions every second."

8/13/2008 1:05:13 PM

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"or even more exotic entities such as black holes and extra dimensions"

8/13/2008 1:10:21 PM

lawl

8/13/2008 2:08:26 PM

its very much possible. im excited for this

8/13/2008 5:04:19 PM

http://physicsandphysicists.blogspot.com/2008/09/next-big-bang.html

http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=276858

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"Tuesday, September 09 08:00 PM After 40 years of planning and construction, the biggest science experiment in history is ready to be tested. The "Large Hadron Collider" is an experiment created by the greatest minds in physics. It cost $10 billion and its resulting data has the potential to explain why we and the Universe exist. Their idea is to smash protons towards one another at the speed of light, trying to mimic what happened in the milliseconds after The Big Bang. Viewers will go on an amazing journey involving the struggles to plan and build the LHC, how it was constructed and what are its mechanics. Explore the future of what's possible through the geniuses of today."

9/6/2008 2:12:51 PM

man now the Arkilians are going to think we have their galaxy AGAIN

9/6/2008 3:02:11 PM

The LHC scientist made a rap video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

9/6/2008 5:18:01 PM

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"millions of people are starving and dying from lack of clean drinking water around the globe and these folks wanna build some machine that will have no effect on day-to-day life why can't some people be happy with just not knowing how some stuff works?"

Because, of course, it's just easier to be a Luddite and against technological progress.

9/7/2008 9:43:03 AM

^not to mention who knows what problems the knowledge gained from this experiment could allow us to solve

9/7/2008 12:26:35 PM

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"millions of people are starving and dying from lack of clean drinking water around the globe"

Looks like a sound case for why we don't need as many humans on the planet.

9/7/2008 5:05:36 PM

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"Large Hadron Collider could help fight cancer Stand by for advances in health and climate research as the ‘big bang’ machine starts up"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article4692222.ece

The knowledge gained from LHC experiments could have massive everyday life impacts.

9/7/2008 6:22:34 PM

this thing will help spur larger movement of data, and a reinvention of the internets. The amount of data generated is huge, and they had to develop a plan to give everyone access. with time, the technology will transfer down to us.

9/7/2008 8:40:00 PM

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" Looks like a sound case for why we don't need as many humans on the planet. "

smartest thing said on tww in 2008

9/7/2008 8:53:38 PM

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"millions of people are starving and dying from lack of clean drinking water around the globe and these folks wanna build some machine that will have no effect on day-to-day life"

I would like to point out that one of the biggest challenges to getting people clean water is that it takes a LOT of energy to purify water (particularly salt water-- the most abundant type of water on the planet).

I guess I can't blame someone named "NeuseRvrRat" for not seeing the connection between research that could help us find cheaper, cleaner sources of energy, and enhancing the life of people around the planet, but this is what scientists and physics nerds have been doing for thousands of years. Unless you think your ancestors were content with their 30 year life spans, you should welcome scientific progress.

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"why can't some people be happy with just not knowing how some stuff works? oh, that's right, then all these theoretical physicists would be out of a job. flame on physics nerds "

No matter how you look at it, this planet is going to be destroyed eventually. We could be wiped out by global warming, an asteroid, sun burning out, sun going supernova, orbit decaying too close to the sun, disease pandemic, and probably dozens of other things. The only way humanity is going to survive is to get off the planet, and hopefully eventually leave the galaxy, and if that means we have to work together and spends billions of $$$ to move ourselves forward, then so be it. it's fine if you want to leisure around all day taking in life's "simple pleasures" but some people get pleasure knowing they are working on things that will ultimately be what saves humanity, and people like you should really just STFU and stay out of their way.

9/8/2008 3:27:15 AM

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"I would like to know what makes mass though, that keeps me up at night."

Sin makes mass.

9/8/2008 5:09:25 AM

haha. did the guy named moron call out the guy named NeuseRvrRat for the screenname?

9/8/2008 6:03:51 AM

It only works because he was right.

9/8/2008 9:53:52 AM

so wait...is wednesday the proper "we're fucked" date? or is it sometime in october? or later?

9/8/2008 12:10:42 PM

It made cnn.com homepage!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/09/08/lhc.collider/index.html

9/8/2008 12:16:34 PM

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"haha. did the guy named moron call out the guy named NeuseRvrRat for the screenname?"

yeah, even though moron is right, he should be accutely aware of the n00b mistake of calling somebody out for their username

9/8/2008 12:20:01 PM

It's suppose to read "mo' ron" too btw.

9/8/2008 1:09:15 PM

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"sun going supernova, orbit decaying too close to the sun,"

whatever point you had just died with this inanity

9/8/2008 2:32:44 PM

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"If the sun went supernova, our solar system would cease to exist. However, the sun cannot go supernova, because its mass is less than the Chandrasekhar mass (approximately 1.4 suns) and it has no way to gain mass. However, in a few billion years, the sun should expand and become a red giant, scorching the inner planets to a crisp. "

maybe thats what he meant?

9/8/2008 2:50:28 PM

Obligatory

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"gods God are just something invented by man to explain things."

9/8/2008 2:57:09 PM

http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/08/cern-rap-video-about-the-large-hadron-collider-creates-a-black-h/

[Edited on September 8, 2008 at 3:49 PM. Reason : ;]

9/8/2008 3:49:16 PM

after this black hole is created there won't be anymore cancer aids crime or hunger.

9/8/2008 4:47:00 PM

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"It's suppose to read "mo' ron" too btw."

as in, "what are you? some kinda mo' ron?"

9/8/2008 7:48:14 PM

The official turn on time, last time i looked, was 3am EST Wednesday. Can anyone else confirm that? Also any ideas on where to find the BBC radio broadcast, they're doing a Torchwood special

9/8/2008 10:29:20 PM

It was nice knowing you cats.

9/8/2008 11:14:01 PM

if a black hole was created and the world ended how long would it take? an instant? seconds minutes hours days weeks months? would the black hole be crated at the site of the collider and the earth immediately ripped up or would it be created nearby and the earth eventually sucked in? nobody knows right?

9/9/2008 1:01:46 AM

okay, i'm not a physics whiz or anything (one semester of py205 is probably not enough to explain the origin of the universe), but without something as massive as a star is it physically possible to create a black hole?

I'm walls1441 and i approved this message.

9/9/2008 1:23:49 AM

what will be created will be micro-black holes or nano-black holes. they will be microscopic in size.

they are colliding subatomic particles, and subatomic particles are pure matter, hence, unimaginably dense. you don't necessarily need something very heavy to create black holes, but something very dense. that's what happense in a star when it dies and becomes a black hole: it collapses onto itself and becomes very dense (pure matter).

9/9/2008 1:43:07 AM

One of the cool "theories" i read about the collider is that when it creates the mini black holes, according to hawking's theories, they should collapse on themselves.

If they dont however, other scientists say it would take any where between 3 weeks to 3 months for it to consume the earth.

How crazy would that shit be.

9/9/2008 7:46:34 AM