knock 'em down.

6/13/2008 12:30:09 PM

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"don't you think an "Obama sale" of the type you're suggesting would be selling handgun/SMG ammunition? Winchester doesn't sell any of that, iirc."

lololol...handgun or "sub machine gun" ammunition? you mean the same ammunition thats used in handguns? are you basing your gun knowledge off of Call of Duty 4 or something? and winchester makes all types of ammo, which is obvious to anyone with any firearm knowledge whatsoever

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"those boxes are definitely rifle ammo."

first of all, you have no idea what kind of ammo is in those boxes

second, who cares if its rifle ammo or handgun ammo? there are types of both that would be banned with stricter gun laws

please just spend your time being outraged at nothing instead of trying to act like you know shit about guns

6/13/2008 12:38:55 PM

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"Bush repealed the Brady laws which were enacted under Clinton (94?)"

Just to be a nitpick. Bush did not repeal jack. The Brady laws sunset, and Congress declined to renew them. Bush is on record as saying he would have signed it if they had put it back on his desk.

6/13/2008 12:42:46 PM

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"I interpreted that as a "fire sale" due to the fact that gun shows have been targeted for years by democrats and gun-control advocates, due to the easy availability of guns and lack of background checks at these events. With Obama as President and a democrat controlled congress, there is a good chance these gun shows would be outlawed or severely restricted. "

I would guess that this is what the guy meant, but that he was also aware of the double meaning when he made the sign and was perfectly happy with that.

6/13/2008 12:56:39 PM

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"there will probably be nutjobs who will TRY TO KILL obama just because he's a black guy who may become president"

YOU MIGHT WANT TO CALL THE SECRET SERVICE AND INFORM THEM!

6/13/2008 1:16:46 PM

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"lololol...handgun or "sub machine gun" ammunition? you mean the same ammunition thats used in handguns?"

Since when does "/" create any type of distinction between the divided objects? When I say something like "only tree/retards could be this dumb," I'm not necessarily separating you and and the learning disabled.

I mentioned SMG's separately from hand guns simply because they're especially prone to gun regulation.

OMG OMG BOONE MADE A MISTAKE. HERE'S MY CHANCE!!1

oh, wait...nvm

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"first of all, you have no idea what kind of ammo is in those boxes"

Since when does small caliber ammunition come in box that's like 3x6x3? Stacking centerfire ammunition is a fantastic idea, after all. What? The guy's selling .22's as an Obama sale? That doesn't make sense from either of the two interpretations.

[Edited on June 13, 2008 at 2:24 PM. Reason : .]

6/13/2008 2:16:20 PM

Its amazing you can so clearly see those boxes of ammo when they're all of 30 or 40 pixels wide in those super high resolution photos we've been provided with

I'm still wondering why the type of ammo matters

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"who cares if its rifle ammo or handgun ammo? there are types of both that would be banned with stricter gun laws"

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"I mentioned SMG's separately from hand guns simply because they're especially prone to gun regulation."

yet they take the same calibers of ammunition...

6/13/2008 2:23:09 PM

:carl face:

Yes, tree. I know that.

This was obvious to everyone but you.

6/13/2008 2:27:55 PM

so why does the type of ammo matter?

6/13/2008 2:30:55 PM

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"because they're especially prone to gun regulation."

English-- do you speak it?

6/13/2008 2:33:24 PM

so the ammo used in sub machine guns is more prone to regulation than the ammo that is used in handguns, even though its exactly the same ammo? i don't follow at all

6/13/2008 2:35:37 PM

both hand guns and submachine guns are more likely to be regulated than hunting rifles.

are you finally starting to see why your last 5 or so responses have been retarded?

6/13/2008 2:37:19 PM

how about M-16s? are they more likely to be banned?

i just ask because i have a .223 hunting rifle...thats the same caliber as an M-16 btw

6/13/2008 2:40:27 PM

Since when has an m-16 been a submachine gun?

6/13/2008 2:43:35 PM

so assault rifles arent likely to be banned, just smgs? thats a sigh of relief

6/13/2008 2:44:18 PM

when did I ever mention assault rifles?

6/13/2008 2:45:04 PM

you didnt, but do you think they'd be likely to be banned?

you seem adamant that hunting rifles would be fine

all the while continuing to ignore the blatant fact that there are types and calibers of ammunition that work in the most deadly and dangerous guns, and the most accepted guns like hunting rifles and revolvers...i've already mentioned that there would be both handgun and rifle ammunition of a variety of calibers that could be banned

so why do you keep making distinctions about the type of ammo? is it because "those boxes are definitely rifle ammo"?

6/13/2008 2:49:07 PM

I'll try to explain, again, where i stand on this and why by first stating what i think we can all agree on and where we differ

we can all agree that...
1. There are a lot of racists and the most vocal are rednecks
2. The possibility of having a "black" prez is evoking more vocal racism around the country
3. This has been well covered by news and people talk about it among themselves
4. The threat to Obama's life has been discussed and is a sensitive topic and surely understood by all Americans

Then this guys decides to sell guns & ammo and call it an "Obama sale"

whether he meant it for one thing or another is almost completely irrelavant

its like having sears selling ovens and calling it a "Holocaust sale" cause they want to donate the proceeds to a charity
it really doesnt matter what the intent is, the stupidity in making that reference is so damaging that it should automatically be condemned as grossly insensitive

now dont label me as being overly sensitive to racism, i supported Imus when he screwed up and many other cases, but this is an important issue and the man's life is at stake
I think most reasonable people would realize it

6/13/2008 3:11:45 PM

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"we can all agree that... 1. There are a lot of racists and the most vocal are rednecks"

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"its like having sears selling ovens and calling it a "Holocaust sale" cause they want to donate the proceeds to a charity"

....

6/13/2008 3:15:33 PM

What if they were selling bullets for people to fire in the air in celebration at Obama's inauguration?

6/13/2008 11:38:19 PM

^given McCain's views on illegal immigration it would seem that the activity you mention would be more aptly labeled a "McCain Sale".

Going by movie stereotypes as it were.

6/13/2008 11:46:50 PM

^^yeah thats what it is

6/14/2008 2:31:37 PM

nastoute needs to calm down.

I still have no idea what this sign means.

Is it a fire sale

Is it a statement about Obama being black

What the fuck does this mean?

6/14/2008 2:41:40 PM

If this sale is because of people being worried about a democratic president enacting stricter gun laws, why didn't it happen earlier? A democratic victory isn't substantially more or less likely now than it was a month ago. Why did they do it before the election anyway? It's not like the day Obama gets sworn in the ATF comes around and takes all your guns away. Why weren't there "Kerry Sales" four years ago? Why wasn't their a rush to buy guns then, or when the Democrats took back congress? Why isn't there something like this every single election in which a democrat could win?

6/14/2008 7:12:17 PM

Who's to say there aren't? The difference this time around is kerry didn't have people running around ever vigilant for racism. Clearly the original poster thought this was a big deal because he thinks some racist is going to assasinate obama because he's black. Would he have even found this picture if it was a Kerry sale?

6/14/2008 8:40:44 PM

Maybe it's just because more people have cell phone cameras these days vs. even 4 years ago (i know i didn't have a camera phone 4 years ago).

I don't think it's anything as insidious as your mythical racism patrol going around to gun shows. If it IS racism (and i would be surprised if there wasn't at least some), then it's a bit despicable don't you think?

6/14/2008 8:47:25 PM

so is your question "is racism despicable?"

6/14/2008 9:26:35 PM

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"Yeah, that might be enough to get you a visit from the secret service, as gay as that is.] "

I took it as "buy now before Obama regulates firearms more." I didn't even think about what you're talking about until you said it.

__________________

holy shit, i'm reading further down the page now, and several of you actually think that's what that dude was implying with his sign? You have got to be fucking kidding.

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"I mean, if you really want to look into it-- don't you think an "Obama sale" of the type you're suggesting would be selling handgun/SMG ammunition? Winchester doesn't sell any of that, iirc. "

hell yeah they do--I've probably shot 1000 rounds of Winchester .45 ACP through my 1911.

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" BUT GUESS WHAT THEY DO SELL] "

uhh, I guess you're implying rifle ammunition? what's that supposed to mean? I take it you're trying to imply something about so-called "assault rifles".

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"Regardless, those boxes are definitely rifle ammo. "

You would think, judging by the shape, but I'm almost positive that the 100-round boxes of Winchester handgun ammo look just like that. The rounds are loose in the box.

I'm out of .45 ammo at the moment. I'll try to remember to look and confirm this when I pick some more up.

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"are you guys retarded or serious? there's only one way to take that picture I hope he does get a visit by the secret service "

Sorry, but you're simply wrong. As a "gun guy", not unlike this businessman's potential customers, the implication you're so sold on never even occured to me until someone mentioned it in this thread (and it never would have, and I'm sure it never occured to the guy who made the sign, either).

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"Actually, I see a bunch of ladies fainting over themselves in shock of what some redneck put on a sign. "He's a redneck, so it must be ra-ra-ra....racist!!!!". It's not really "outrage" I guess, but I don't know what else to call the emotion that takes over the weak-kneed lilly-livered madams that can't let a day go by without accusing someone of being racist toward The Obama. "

Exactly. It's Boy-Who-Cried-Wolf syndrome, too.

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"and someone putting up a sign like this at a gun show is unacceptable "

Dude. This is like a salisburyboy, Rat, LiusClues, Randy, TheBigL level of stupid/ridiculous.

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"On the bright side, if anyone were to kill Obama using this mans ammo, both the killer and this man would be thrown so far under the prison that conservative racists everywhere would feel their asses pucker. "

Why would anyone give a shit about that guy as long as he sold the ammo legally?

and I'm certainly not a far-right Republican, but this goddamned retarded silly (and obnoxiously arrogant) behavior that so many leftists exhibit erases the goodwill I do have towards them (as being somewhat more aligned with them on social issues).

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"I would guess that this is what the guy meant, but that he was also aware of the double meaning when he made the sign and was perfectly happy with that. "

How in the fuck do you figure that he was aware of and happy with the double meaning?

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"Since when does small caliber ammunition come in box that's like 3x6x3? Stacking centerfire ammunition is a fantastic idea, after all. "

I mentioned before that handgun ammo does indeed come in boxes shaped like that (and I'm pretty sure it's Winchester that does it). When I said it's loose in the box, I didn't mean haphazard--it's just not in trays or anything (they're all oriented the same way, laying sideways). However, have you ever seen bulk ammo?



also, and I know I'm nitpicking here, and I think I know what you meant, but handgun ammo is not generally "small-caliber". Handguns are, as a general rule, substantially larger in caliber than rifles.

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"both hand guns and submachine guns are more likely to be regulated than hunting rifles. are you finally starting to see why your last 5 or so responses have been retarded?"

HOWEVER, so-called "assault rifles" use the same ammunition as hunting rifles (thought generally on the lower powered end of the rifle spectrum, despite what unfamiliar laymen are inclined to think), and I think we can agree that they're quite likely to be subject to stricter regulation.

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"whether he meant it for one thing or another is almost completely irrelavant its like having sears selling ovens and calling it a "Holocaust sale" cause they want to donate the proceeds to a charity it really doesnt matter what the intent is, the stupidity in making that reference is so damaging that it should automatically be condemned as grossly insensitive "

1. it's not irrelevent
2. that isn't even close to the same thing
3. maybe it takes someone with a clear concience to interpret that sign in the proper, innocent way?

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"What if they were selling bullets for people to fire in the air in celebration at Obama's inauguration?"

Ha, that's about as likely an explanation as this ridiculous idea that the guy is implying that someone should shoot a Pres. Obama.

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"If this sale is because of people being worried about a democratic president enacting stricter gun laws, why didn't it happen earlier? A democratic victory isn't substantially more or less likely now than it was a month ago."

Because that particular gun show wasn't a month ago or earlier.

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"Why weren't there "Kerry Sales" four years ago? Why wasn't their a rush to buy guns then, or when the Democrats took back congress?"

I know people who bought guns when the Democrats took back control of Congress. I don't remember anything about Kerry Sales...could've been that he wasn't viewed as nearly as likely to be elected, or it could be that nobody happened to have a picture of such an event to sensationalize.

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"Maybe it's just because more people have cell phone cameras these days vs. even 4 years ago (i know i didn't have a camera phone 4 years ago). "

Exactly.

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"I don't think it's anything as insidious as your mythical racism patrol going around to gun shows. If it IS racism (and i would be surprised if there wasn't at least some), then it's a bit despicable don't you think? "

Uhh, if there is racism there, it's quite despicable. I just don't see even the slightest evidence for it, though.

and no, nobody thinks there's a racism patrol going around to gun shows. i certainly don't think Obama and his campaign have a "racism patrol". I DO think that many of his supporters are being ridiculous and being overly quick to attribute anti-Obama sentiment to racism.

6/14/2008 9:53:42 PM

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"I took it as "buy now before Obama regulates firearms more." I didn't even think about what you're talking about until you said it. __________________ holy shit, i'm reading further down the page now, and several of you actually think that's what that dude was implying with his sign? You have got to be fucking kidding."

i pretty much feel exactly the opposite

[Edited on June 14, 2008 at 9:56 PM. Reason : dont know if that makes me an antigun liberal but i definitely thought the sign was in bad taste]

6/14/2008 9:54:55 PM

well, I'll just say that I trust my own judgement more than yours, especially on something i'm extremely knowledgeable about.

6/14/2008 9:56:17 PM

no offense...but how does the fact that you know more about guns make this obama sale any less distasteful in my eyes?

6/14/2008 9:57:21 PM

First, it's not just because I know more about guns.

...but I do think that my far greater familiarity with gun buyers and sellers, along with the history of gun control laws, buys me a little something in terms of properly interpreting this.

6/14/2008 10:00:24 PM

lol "properly interpreting"...yeah...

[Edited on June 14, 2008 at 10:02 PM. Reason : agree to disagree...opinions are like assholes *sigh*]

6/14/2008 10:01:34 PM

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"As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama supported banning the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic firearms, increasing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms and requiring manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.[123] He supported a "ban" on the sale and possession of handguns on a political questionnaire lacking specific guidelines.[124][125] In 1999, he urged prohibiting the operation of any gun store within five miles of a school or park, which according to pro-gun advocates would eliminate gun stores from most of the inhabited portion of the United States.[126] He sponsored a bill in 2000 limiting handgun purchases to one per month. As state senator, he voted against a 2004 measure that allowed self-defense as an affirmative defense to those charged with violating local laws making it otherwise unlawful for such persons to possess firearms.[127] He also voted against allowing persons who had obtained domestic violence protective orders to carry handguns for their protection.[126] From 1994 through 2002, Obama was a board member of the Joyce Foundation, which provides funds for gun control organizations in the United States.[128][129] While in the US Senate, Obama has supported several gun control measures, including restricting the purchase of firearms at gun shows and the reauthorization of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[130] Obama voted against legislation protecting firearm manufacturers from liability.[131] Obama did vote in favor of the 2006 Vitter Amendment to prohibit the confiscation of lawful firearms during an emergency or major disaster, which passed 84-16.[132] During a February 15, 2008 press conference, Obama stated, "I think there is an individual right to bear arms, but it's subject to commonsense regulation."[133] He voiced support for the District of Columbia's ban on handguns, for which arguments pro and con were heard by the Supreme Court in March 2008 in the case D.C. v. Heller.[133] Obama has also stated his opposition to allowing citizens to carry concealed guns[134] and supports a national law outlawing the practice.[135][136] Obama is rated F by the National Rifle Association.[137] The NRA describes the recipient of its F grade as a "true enemy of gun owners’ rights."[138] He is also rated F by Gun Owners of America[139] who stated that Obama will "Get the Dems 'Barack' into the Business of Gun Control".[140] Obama has a 100% voting record supporting the positions of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence in the U.S. Congress, though only one bill taken up by Congress during Obama's Senate tenure was considered by the Brady Campaign in calculating its rating.[141 "

from Wikipedia



and from http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/12/sweet_column_obamas_2003_iviip.html

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"35. Do you support legislation to ban the manufacture, sale and possession of a. handguns? While a complete ban on handguns is not politically practicable, I believe reasonable restrictions on the sale and possession of handguns are necessary to protect the public safety. In the Illinois Senate last year, I supported a package of bills to limit individual Illinoisans to purchasing one handgun a month; require all promoters and sellers at firearms shows to carry a state license; allow civil liability for death or injuries caused by handguns; and require FOID applicants to apply in person. I would support similar efforts at the federal level, including retaining the Brady Law. b. assault weapons? Yes. c. ammunition for handguns and assault weapons? I would support banning the sale of ammunition for assault weapons and limiting the sale of ammunition for handguns. "

First of all, you can't ban "assault weapon" ammunition without banning it for the hunting rifles that use the same.

at any rate, though, there's your explanation for the infamous gun show sign.

6/14/2008 10:12:27 PM

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"I don't remember anything about Kerry Sales...could've been that he wasn't viewed as nearly as likely to be elected, or it could be that nobody happened to have a picture of such an event to sensationalize."

Kerry never made a big deal out of gun control, in fact...



Gun control has been much less of an issue among democrats since Clinton was in office.

6/14/2008 10:22:37 PM

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"Bush repealed the Brady laws which were enacted under Clinton (94?)...plenty of people expect a democratic president would re-enact them"

EEEEEHHHH WRONG! (again)
Bush said he would have resigned the AWB, its just congress didn't pass it.


By the way, I'm a pro-gun Obama supporter... hope that don't blow your mind

[Edited on June 14, 2008 at 11:47 PM. Reason : ]

6/14/2008 11:42:05 PM

the AWB was retarded on a staggering level.

6/14/2008 11:46:12 PM

but banning assault weapons can't ever be bad!

[Edited on June 14, 2008 at 11:47 PM. Reason : /]

6/14/2008 11:47:08 PM

yeah, that mindset is about the only explanation i can think of for it. i guess some people think "any increased restriction on guns is better than not having it." the AWB was stupid as shit even if you DID want to regulate "assault weapons", whatever that means.

6/14/2008 11:49:16 PM

Ya know, we had a democratic house and senate, yet after Virginia Tech, they didnt pass any new gun laws over it...

Democrats are no more uniform on the gun issue than Republicans, most democrats who got elected in 2006 either were moderate ones and are neutral or pro-gun, or they replaced liberal Republicans who were anti-gun anyway.

6/14/2008 11:49:40 PM

i think some are legitimately not anti-gun (and a few are probably pro-gun). the rest realize that it isn't politically expedient, for the most part, and would rather expend political capital on other things.

6/14/2008 11:51:48 PM

I remember those peaceful years when would-be criminals couldn't buy new AR-15s with bayonet lugs and flash hiders.

6/15/2008 12:06:07 AM

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"first of all, you have no idea what kind of ammo is in those boxes"

All ammunition in the pictures was Winchester White Box rifle ammo.

6/15/2008 3:39:58 PM

I'm sure McCain will be at least a little more 2nd amendment friendly than Obama.

In case that was your only voting issue... which would mean you just never vote democrat

6/15/2008 3:42:40 PM

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"By the way, I'm a pro-gun Obama supporter... hope that don't blow your mind"

I feel you on that one. The Bush Regime has reminded me of the Founding Father's intent to keep an armed population to protect against the government. Being that gun control isn't a huge issue for me I can still, in good conscience, vote for Barack all while the nay-sayers bitch and moan about how he will "take der guuuuuns".

6/15/2008 3:53:34 PM

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"By the way, I'm a pro-gun Obama supporter... hope that don't blow your mind"

signed,

joeSchmoe

6/15/2008 6:18:50 PM

pro-gun Obama supporters...LOL...hope you guys don't own any handguns or semi-automatic weapons in general

6/16/2008 3:21:09 PM

I can see how someone might take this as a message to assassinate Obama, but it's quite a reach and I think that anyone who does take it that way is ignorant and/or paranoid. The only reason that the sign says Obama on it is because he's now the democratic nominee, if Hillary had won it would be a Hillary sale. He's simply playing on people's fears that a democrat will limit their access to firearms. Hell, when I went to a gun store back in February the owner was telling me how much his business had increased from people worried about a democrat getting elected and enacting gun control laws. I don't know if he was telling the truth or just trying to get me to buy something, but that's what I thought of when I saw this sign.

6/17/2008 1:40:34 AM

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"The only reason that the sign says Obama on it is because he's now the democratic nominee, if Hillary had won it would be a Hillary sale."

And that makes it less offensive?

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"He's simply playing on people's fears that a democrat will limit their access to firearms."

And that is at the very least gravely irresponsible. Fear and guns don't mix well.

6/17/2008 10:30:09 PM

well, the Democratic Party doesn't have the best track record when it comes to 2nd Amendment stuff. Do I think an Obama administration, coupled with a Democratic controlled Congress, will be completely draconian in gun right restriction? Not really--the political fallout wouldn't be worth it even if they wanted to do it. Do I think more restriction could be coming down the line with such a political landscape in place? Hell yeah I do, if they think there's any call for it at all.

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"And that makes it less offensive? "

It does in the greater context of this thread, regarding this idiotic idea that the sign is racist and implying that someone should shoot Obama.

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"Fear and guns don't mix well. "

Concur. People who fear guns do some really silly, irrational shit to restrict their usage and ownership.

[Edited on June 17, 2008 at 11:17 PM. Reason : asfdasd]

6/17/2008 11:16:02 PM